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BLU at 99, Outside Abyssea: Misconceptions?
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2013-03-17 16:21:56
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Shiva.Paulu said: »
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Rancor collar will make abilities that are suppose to just reduce you to critical, kill you. Try wearing rancor on ballistic kick and let me know how that goes.

Got any proof, I live in my Rancor gear and I've NEVER been oneshotted by ballistic kick or throat stab.

It won't kill you every time, but I've seen it happen on Ballistic Kick and Throat stab a few times to multiple people. The +Damage gets added on at the end after everything else I believe. If the damage gets reduced by Stoneskin or something else the +10% that gets added on might not kill you.
It will make those 95% hp attacks kill you. I've gotten hit once mid backflip (taru blade: hi) from an deathgnash. I laughed pretty hard.

Well I know it can kill you. But if say, you have Stoneskin from a WHM cure I'm pretty sure stoneskin will eat some of the damage first, then +10% will get added after. Maybe not on Deathgnash specifically because that puts your HP to 1, not sure if stoneskin will do anything. I could just be talking out of my *** though, I dunno lol.
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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-17 17:04:12
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Hmmm. This same spread sheet is showing that Chiv Chain increases DPS for 460 delay and 16 Store TP (before Chain) by a significant amount more than Rancor since it bumps me up an attack round, not to mention the STR on swings, I guess. With Almace, Houyi's Gorget beats it. Portus beats both though. That said, I'm starting to question the legitimacy of this spreadsheet. haha
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By Twiglet 2013-03-17 19:17:50
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Well there's a difference between not hard and requires people...I don't think you can duo Arch-Diabolos..?

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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-17 19:19:41
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Well there's a difference between not hard and requires people...I don't think you can duo Arch-Diabolos..?

Challenge accepted!

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By Gimp 2013-03-17 23:36:02
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Phoenix.Belgaer said: »
Alright, so I had a couple questions, but I'm currently halfway through Bri Helms, so I ask them both in the context of non-Almace users and Almace users. I know, I know, just finish it. I plan to. But in the meantime...

1.) I was spreadsheeting stuff and I've noticed that, outside of Abyssea, CDC isn't that impressive. It seems like it takes a pretty decent CDC build to outdo even a stardard Requiescat. This is including the Aftermath, even. So, should I even use Lv.85 Almace outside of Abyssea?? It just seems like it's basically a trophy piece people assume is better, and expect you to use it or not bother with BLU, but it isn't really any better. Even in Abyssea, I've seen my 3k Reqs outdo CDC pretty often. Granted, I've also seen 5k CDCs, which my Reqs can't touch. I'm not suggesting it's not worth it in Abyssea though. I'm just assuming they were terribad. I'm just saying... it's happened.

2.) BLU melee has become more and more efficient with the recent-ish-sort-of level cap increases as compared to back at Lv.75. Back then, I noticed I was parsing a good bit better in my relic body simply for the Refresh (Not to recover MP, but rather to allow me to cast more often). These days, I see a lot of recommended gear builds excluding Mavi body +2. Is this in Abyssea only? Should I still be full-timing Mavi +2 to allow myself to cast bigger, stronger spells more often? Or has BLU melee really made spells outside of Chain Affinity and Efflux obsolete (I doubt that)? Or, again, is this only if you have Almace, are in Abyssea, and have a Refresh atma?

1. It's a fantastic weapon for blue mage and useable in almost every event blue mage can go to. Most people treat it like a trophy weapon and use the wrong gear, swords, subjobs and give the 85 version a very bad reputation like other 85 weapons which gives the impression of the quote i put directly below it because most people with REM don't use the weapons to the fullest potential which makes other players think it's the weapon's fault or level. The base 85 weapon is buffered more by the additional trials you complete add onto the abilities it offers. A difference of 4 base and 5 dex added onto the 85 weapon shouldn't mean you're weapon is useful now, it's a solid upgrade if said person was believing that they were bad with an 85 sword and suddenly better with the 90 version I can guarantee you that they're still bad or they aren't aware of what their numbers really are. Requiescat has been explained why it is useful but not superior to CDC however

2. Speaking in your current situation for no almace, you'll have to try different builds and see how well you can manage your mp. If you're in abbsyea MM atma should have all your needs for keeping your mp up I can't recommend using mavi +2 body for general tp purpose if you have your oce + toci combo to melee in. If you find yourself using a lot of mp you have to factor in why and where is that mp being used for and if it's feasible.

Once you get your almace the idea is to ween yourself off of mm atma in abbsyea and manage your occultation use and reserving your strongest dd spells for Ca or Efflux normally; because of the sword's ability you're dealing more damage at the cost of less mp and casting less not to mess up your ODD tp phase to your next ws unless it's with CA/Efflux.

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Phoenix.Belgaer said: »
So, should I even use Lv.85 Almace outside of Abyssea??


You will need it higher than 85, if you want to be a good DD at 99.

Covered most of this in point 1., just be careful you'd really be surprised how much weight you'll be pulling if you're subbing /war and using your abilities correctly and without being in the dd party (voidwatch)

Phoenix.Belgaer said: »
For those curious, this is what I currently have for CDC when I get 85 Almace finished.
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That's also what I have plugged into the spreadsheet. Working on Athos/Myrmex and again, Thaumus.

I can't really see any problems with this weaponskill set against most mobs, it's pretty good and waiting on nni/prov gear that you're looking into to make it even stronger.

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an 85 empy sucks anyway generally speaking, 90+ empyreans you notice them beating other variations.

90 isn't too hard to get, my TP build makes aftermaths Godly, and my CDC is consistently equal to Req, only dif being CDC can obv crit and massively out dmg it.

Average about 2.6-2.8k CDC about 3k requiscat depending on Target DEF. When you say "im using an almace but see I need a good CDC set to produce good numbers" No offense but surely if you have a E/R/M weapon you should have a good if not near optimal WS set otherwise why bother?

There are lots of ways of increasing Crit rate and dmg out of abyssea, such as Moonshade earring, athos boots / feet / hands, Tocis body, anwig salade with crit ws dmg and rate. Just a couple of examples.

Covered this already but your first sentence is vague and not entirely true, I'm inclined to believe you're leaning too much information from parsing and not considering the player factor, situation,etc.


Prothescar explained pretty well why Almace is fantastic and I'll expand on that, due to dDex (and dex spells) I sit on 35~40 crit rate on most monsters in vw and capped accuracy allowing me to eat meat for almost any mob. It goes a very long way and keeps you from using alternative gear to make your hits land. Comparing parses from my Kikoku to my Almace there is a drastic difference in crit rate and acc I have to make up for(regardless my 99 kikoku beats my 90 almace by a good margin).

I remember my own cdcs would average 2.4k and req. 2.2k for NNI(before i got nni gear) with rcb, voidwatch CDC on stuff like Kaggen pulls 1.2k average with no food Qilin for 1.6k without food also. I only use Req. to break shields so no data there unfortunately.

(and no I'm not implying that your averages are wrong or off also just my figures for the op to look at)

Regardless weaponskills aren't the biggest factor when it comes to damage dealing for 1 handers it's in the DPS, just because we got stronger weaponskills in the past 2 years doesn't mean we forget or negate it with or without almace.



In short, if you're going to make it do it justice and not use some weird sub and make the rest of the people that know how look bad then don't bother. It takes quite a bit of work(and luck) with vw to make it work well, in your case however you should notice a positive impact on your results when you get your almace with the set you have (assuming your tp phase is good also).
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-18 04:09:10
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Twiglet said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Well there's a difference between not hard and requires people...I don't think you can duo Arch-Diabolos..?

Challenge accepted!
Good luck!
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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-18 07:40:02
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Gimp said: »
(assuming your tp phase is good also).

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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-03-18 08:21:08
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May have to start your own shout, which is something I absolutely despise doing but sometimes the shouts you want are never around when you need them.

Your TP and WS sets look very good for pre NNI sets. I don't think you'll be disappointed when you finish your almace.
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-03-18 09:23:46
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My Almace is currently 85 and I feel like I put up some pretty good numbers with it.

Hit up to 2k (I don't know my average but it should be around 1.3k) on Uptala as /PLD, no food, just temps, two atmacites and a light DD spellset (see Proth's VW Lite in the BLU guide).

It very much depends on the set you use for CdC.

ItemSet 266330

I think this is a pretty good set lacking NNI or certain top-notch Voidwatch drops, just something to aim for.
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By Gimp 2013-03-18 09:39:57
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Not necessary by any means but if you feel up for it you can augment your dusk +1 with sky augments from the Eraser nm. I have acc +4 on mine but I got lucky.
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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-18 09:46:53
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
May have to start your own shout,(snip)

Oh, yeah, I know. I'm just dreading it since I'm still new to VW (just came back since before VW hit) and I don't want to make a major *** of myself. Already felt stupid enough the other day when I joined a Bismarck shout without realizing it was on one of the islands and held my group up over a half hour. lol
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-18 10:03:14
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Phoenix.Belgaer said: »
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May have to start your own shout,(snip)

Oh, yeah, I know. I'm just dreading it since I'm still new to VW (just came back since before VW hit) and I don't want to make a major *** of myself. Already felt stupid enough the other day when I joined a Bismarck shout without realizing it was on one of the islands and held my group up over a half hour. lol


that's not that uncommon, thank god i got everything i needed off him in about 10 kills.
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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-18 12:14:04
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Yeah, the Byrne is entirely replaceable for my DRK anyway. I really just want the neck piece for my cure potency build (Mostly for BLU, but also for SMN). So at least that has a somewhat decent drop rate. But I'm gunna have to shout for Athos hands too, unfortunately. I've only ever seen 1 shout for those since I came back. Lol Not even convinced they're worth it since Myr gloves mostly replace them ad seem reasonable to get. Could be very very wrong though.
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By itchi508 2013-03-18 13:23:34
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This may be off topic but wondering blu in (Salvage II) anyone tryed and if so is it usefull or worth it to have one? Many pro/cons to it. i can see where blu may struggle at times but also be very handy. Most go apoc drk or mnks with a whm. Been debating it but have yet to attempt it. (whm, blu + apoc drk) think it be good or bad?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-03-18 13:26:34
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Blu performs well in salvage, I tank as blu in every run, haven't had any problems at all.
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By Gimp 2013-03-18 13:37:08
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athos hands are the best ws hands for the appropriate days and are beaten by myrmex on off days

athos hands are also great casting hands until you get myrmex and applicable after pending on the secondary mods of the spell in question since myrmex is str/dex
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-03-18 14:42:00
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Freakin' Myrmex... I need to find a group that can actually beat Seductive Radiance.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-03-18 14:42:40
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Asura.Lokimaru said: »
Freakin' Myrmex... I need to find a group that can actually beat Seductive Radiance.

Them things don't exist :(
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By Fenrir.Kyen 2013-03-18 14:57:11
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itchi508 said: »
This may be off topic but wondering blu in (Salvage II) anyone tryed and if so is it usefull or worth it to have one? Many pro/cons to it. i can see where blu may struggle at times but also be very handy. Most go apoc drk or mnks with a whm. Been debating it but have yet to attempt it. (whm, blu + apoc drk) think it be good or bad?

Blu destroys Bhaflau Remnant II with sleepga, high damage output and requiescat to bypass Cerberus' DT- generation. Wings of Promy. is a godsend for our whm as it has a really short recast time to quickly take off debuffs from bilgestorm/cackle in Silver Sea. The only issue we've recently run into is Hydra as he likes to really draw out a battle but other than that Blu is excellent.

The draw to blu is that it can do nearly everything really good while outputting high damage. They're perfect in low man situations.
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By itchi508 2013-03-18 15:03:14
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
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Freakin' Myrmex... I need to find a group that can actually beat Seductive Radiance.

Them things don't exist :(

Took me like 7months of Prov to get mine and now Iv thrown away 3 pairs since i got them :P sorry everyone lol i even posted a SS to my fellow friends who cant seem to get them. This is for all the myrmexless souls who slap the Trove every run :O
http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/69143
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-18 15:07:40
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itchi508 said: »
Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Asura.Lokimaru said: »
Freakin' Myrmex... I need to find a group that can actually beat Seductive Radiance.

Them things don't exist :(

Took me like 7months of Prov to get mine and now Iv thrown away 3 pairs since i got them :P sorry everyone lol i even posted a SS to my fellow friends who cant seem to get them. This is for all the myrmexless souls who slap the Trove every run :O
http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/69143

way to post a SS out of spite for everybody that wants em. That proves what exactly? That's weak man lol
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By itchi508 2013-03-18 15:10:38
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That proves ima *** and that they do exsist lol
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By itchi508 2013-03-18 15:12:57
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
itchi508 said: »
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Asura.Lokimaru said: »
Freakin' Myrmex... I need to find a group that can actually beat Seductive Radiance.

Them things don't exist :(

Took me like 7months of Prov to get mine and now Iv thrown away 3 pairs since i got them :P sorry everyone lol i even posted a SS to my fellow friends who cant seem to get them. This is for all the myrmexless souls who slap the Trove every run :O
http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/69143

way to post a SS out of spite for everybody that wants em. That proves what exactly? That's weak man lol
You no a person named Fuzzymomma? I lost my 1st char (fenrir) when i started this char years back i started on odin n transferred back to fenrir after a year. Wondering if they still play cant remember anyone from there besides fuzzy
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-18 15:13:39
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Don't know em sorry.
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-03-18 15:30:32
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He has a picture of a sports car for his icon, I expect dickery. :P

I welcome pictures of drops since it proves they do exist. :x
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-03-18 15:34:20
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Asura.Lokimaru said: »
He has a picture of a sports car for his icon, I expect dickery. :P

I welcome pictures of drops since it proves they do exist. :x

yeah but that one is him dropping it to get another... kind of dickish lol
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-03-18 15:35:48
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I saw it. Don't care, just like every other shot of people dropping stuff. :P
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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-18 16:06:55
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Just to chip in, and it's a completely different beast, but I lowman the old school Salvage on my BLU and it works extremely well, so I could imagine it'd be similar on Salvage II. Probably use more resources, cast more, think more, get frustrated more, etc. But it's good to hear BLU will work once we're on Salvage II.
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By Phoenix.Belgaer 2013-03-18 16:15:22
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Also: Are Myrmex gloves really harder to deal with than Athos Gloves's shitty drop rate? Ugh.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2013-03-18 16:17:55
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Athos' gloves are listed on FFXIDB as a 2.8% drop rate, and I've heard the droprate on Myrmex is similar to that of pulse weapons, so yes, they really are harder to deal with. Especially since for some reason the same person will get them over and over.
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