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BLU at 99, Outside Abyssea: Misconceptions?
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2013-03-17 13:56:25
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If you dont own portus, why not simply use nef collar when rancor's +10% DT isnt viable?
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-03-17 13:56:31
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Unless you're saying that you do not kill TW, EP, or just most older content in general, that decision is entirely arbitrary. Anything that will not kill you under reasonable conditions is a veritable "curb-stomp".

I'll never understand injecting artificial tedium into any given process.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-17 13:57:21
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
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I couldn't give up the attack/DA on Atheling. I'm not too keen on the +DT for TPing in on rancor collar, but I'm hesitant to spend money on something that will lower my damage during the tp phase.
The only comparable alternative is portus collar and well... that's hard to get. I TP in it as long as I'm fairly safe or not fighting anything that uses throat stab mechanics cause... that gets you killed a lot. I have a variable that will change my TP neck to a variety of things depending on what I'm doing.
Throat stab just takes you to critical/1HP, its not like 10% DT is going to increase that... And 10% DT isn't really ever an issue...

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Also that other combo is +2 inventory so even if it was close or a tiny bit better I couldn't do it.

I can't think of a single scenario where I don't have space for a Weaponskill set. I don't know what you're carrying around with you, but you can do without 2 of them, I promise you.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-17 14:00:18
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I can understand not enjoying brews, but if you don't have the means to get said gear without it just suck it up. I'd say you can sacrifice your "ideals" to get a ring.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-17 14:01:15
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Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: »
If you dont own portus, why not simply use nef collar when rancor's +10% DT isnt viable?

Because there is no situation you use BLU where you need anything but PDT/MDT/EVA gear or TP gear, you know when something is coming, change to -DT/EVA, change back. TPing in less than optimal gear because you are too lazy to use -DT gear or fear something that won't kill you, is never justifiable.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-03-17 14:02:50
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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I couldn't give up the attack/DA on Atheling. I'm not too keen on the +DT for TPing in on rancor collar, but I'm hesitant to spend money on something that will lower my damage during the tp phase.
The only comparable alternative is portus collar and well... that's hard to get. I TP in it as long as I'm fairly safe or not fighting anything that uses throat stab mechanics cause... that gets you killed a lot. I have a variable that will change my TP neck to a variety of things depending on what I'm doing.
Throat stab just takes you to critical/1HP, its not like 10% DT is going to increase that... And 10% DT isn't really ever an issue...

Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Also that other combo is +2 inventory so even if it was close or a tiny bit better I couldn't do it.

I can't think of a single scenario where I don't have space for a Weaponskill set. I don't know what you're carrying around with you, but you can do without 2 of them, I promise you.
Rancor collar will make abilities that are suppose to just reduce you to critical, kill you. Try wearing rancor on ballistic kick and let me know how that goes.

There's no doubt there's stuff in my inventory that could be done better or I could do without but nefarious + rancor mantle isn't going to be one since anytime I can't wear rancor collar, I can't wear rancor mantle either.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-03-17 14:03:12
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can understand not enjoying brews, but if you don't have the means to get said gear without it just suck it up. I'd say you can sacrifice your "ideals" to get a ring.

I understand it insofar as I recognize the mechanism, but given the slightest bit of consideration, it should become alarmingly clear how arbitrary it is juxtaposed to the vast majority of things in this game that are completed with no relative difficulty or strategy.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-03-17 14:05:32
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Phoenix.Kaparu said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can understand not enjoying brews, but if you don't have the means to get said gear without it just suck it up. I'd say you can sacrifice your "ideals" to get a ring.

I understand it insofar as I recognize the mechanism, but given the slightest bit of consideration, it should become alarmingly clear how arbitrary it is juxtaposed to the vast majority of things in this game that are completed with no relative difficulty or strategy.
There's nothing logical about human preference, it's just one of those things. If he enjoys it that way, then cool for him even if others may not understand.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-17 14:08:02
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Rancor collar will make abilities that are suppose to just reduce you to critical, kill you. Try wearing rancor on ballistic kick and let me know how that goes.

Got any proof, I live in my Rancor gear and I've NEVER been oneshotted by ballistic kick or throat stab.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-03-17 14:08:10
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Phoenix.Kaparu said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I can understand not enjoying brews, but if you don't have the means to get said gear without it just suck it up. I'd say you can sacrifice your "ideals" to get a ring.

I understand it insofar as I recognize the mechanism, but given the slightest bit of consideration, it should become alarmingly clear how arbitrary it is juxtaposed to the vast majority of things in this game that are completed with no relative difficulty or strategy.
There's nothing logical about human preference, it's just one of those things. If he enjoys it that way, then cool for him even if others may not understand.

That isn't true at all; I understand exactly what he's telling himself. The issue is that he hasn't taken a moment to address the fact that unless he syncs down to <insert level here> to farm a GoV torque, for instance, there's no consistency in his decision. We have a word for that: arbitrary.
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By Phoenix.Thorbean 2013-03-17 14:50:12
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If i was farming anything in a GoV area I'd pick the highest possible page. I only have 60 tabs left. I rep ALOT :D.

Personal goals are a good thing, as is self control.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-03-17 14:55:04
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1. Portus collar is not hard to get.

2. I've definitely seen colossal blow, deathnash, etc. one-shot someone wearing rancor many, many times.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-17 14:56:16
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Well there's a difference between not hard and requires people...I don't think you can duo Arch-Diabolos..?
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-17 15:00:00
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
1. Portus collar is not hard to get. 2. I've definitely seen colossal blow, deathnash, etc. one-shot someone wearing rancor many, many times.

Both of those will kill you without rancor items, theres a difference between doign 90% of MAX HP and lowering you to critical HP. And neither of those mean a Rancor Collar will get you killed.
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By Quiznor 2013-03-17 15:00:02
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Rancor collar will make abilities that are suppose to just reduce you to critical, kill you. Try wearing rancor on ballistic kick and let me know how that goes.

Got any proof, I live in my Rancor gear and I've NEVER been oneshotted by ballistic kick or throat stab.

Gonna see if I can find my SS on my old laptop for someone dying to Deathgnash with Rancor on
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-03-17 15:05:06
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Phoenix.Thorbean said: »
If i was farming anything in a GoV area I'd pick the highest possible page. I only have 60 tabs left. I rep ALOT :D.

Personal goals are a good thing, as is self control.

Make sure you fight Rani without atma or cruor buffs, then.

Or protect and shell.

Or equipment.

Or weapons.
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2013-03-17 15:07:07
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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If you dont own portus, why not simply use nef collar when rancor's +10% DT isnt viable?

Because there is no situation you use BLU where you need anything but PDT/MDT/EVA gear or TP gear, you know when something is coming, change to -DT/EVA, change back. TPing in less than optimal gear because you are too lazy to use -DT gear or fear something that won't kill you, is never justifiable.

I never said dont TP in rancor nor did I say I dont TP in rancor so I dont see what your reply has to do with my question. A person posted that he swapped to a terrible neck piece when not in rancor so I offered a better neck piece for him to swap to. If he wants to swap out rancor at certain times thats his business. Save these types of replies for appropriate question please.
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By Phoenix.Thorbean 2013-03-17 15:14:28
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This just in: Atma and curor buffs make you deal 40k+ damage and let you spam ws back to back.
More at 11.

On a serious note though. My goal isn't to kill her without cruor buffs and atma, its to kill it without a brew, I already said this.
You are free to try killing it with no atma/cruor buffs. It's none of my business how you play the game.

If you want to improve, you practice and learn.

Ps. en-absorb makes protect/shell pointless when the healer/buffer is also the stunner.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-17 15:15:11
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Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
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If you dont own portus, why not simply use nef collar when rancor's +10% DT isnt viable?
Because there is no situation you use BLU where you need anything but PDT/MDT/EVA gear or TP gear, you know when something is coming, change to -DT/EVA, change back. TPing in less than optimal gear because you are too lazy to use -DT gear or fear something that won't kill you, is never justifiable.
I never said dont TP in rancor nor did I say I dont TP in rancor so I dont see what your reply has to do with my question. A person posted that he swapped to a terrible neck piece when not in rancor so I offered a better neck piece for him to swap to. If he wants to swap out rancor at certain times thats his business. Save these types of replies for appropriate question please.

My reply was an appropriate answer to the question you asked... Why not change to nefarious when rancor isn't viable? Because you should be in twilight if rancor isn't viable.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-17 15:15:52
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Everyone suddenly getting bitter.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-03-17 15:16:58
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There is already a great blu guide that is stickied in this section, not sure how you missed it OP. And wtf other sword are you gonna mainhand if not an Almace, and wtf kind of build do you have if you can't beat Requiescat by at least a G. Its easier to build a great CDC set than it is a Requiescat anyways. At least in my experience, which is becoming outdated.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-03-17 15:17:04
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damn what's going on in here
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By Sylph.Oraen 2013-03-17 15:18:32
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Everyone suddenly getting bitter.

Welcome to the internet.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-17 15:19:47
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
There is already a great blu guide that is stickied in this section, not sure how you missed it OP. And wtf other sword are you gonna mainhand if not an Almace, and wtf kind of build do you have if you can't beat Requiescat by at least a G. Its easier to build a great CDC set than it is a Requiescat anyways. At least in my experience, which is becoming outdated.

True enough Blu gets a lot more STR/DEX/Crit/ATT gear than they do MND/STR/ATT gear. I'm jealous as can be over the gear RDM gets for Requiescat
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-03-17 15:20:35
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
There is already a great blu guide that is stickied in this section, not sure how you missed it OP. And wtf other sword are you gonna mainhand if not an Almace, and wtf kind of build do you have if you can't beat Requiescat by at least a G. Its easier to build a great CDC set than it is a Requiescat anyways. At least in my experience, which is becoming outdated.
Actually, Requiescat is easier because some of the best pieces for it come from the AH.

Edit: Barring Morrigan's +1, I should say.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-03-17 15:34:31
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Almace's strength comes not only from CDC, but from its Aftermath (and to a lesser degree the relatively massive potential boost in critical hit rate via 15~20DEX). I often feel as though people ignore how vital melee damage is on a job like BLU, whose main strengths are its critical hit rate and high attack frequency.

From a logistics standpoint, both Requie and CDC are "easy" to gear, however Requiescat is decidedly easier to get a top tier set for and, for all intents and purposes, easier to gear in general than CDC.




As for portus vs rancor:

A) Rancor is 7 times out of 10 (making up numbers) superior to Portus as long as you have the defensive support to back up that +10% DT. Portus is mostly a defensive swap and is only better offensively if your ratio is high and the target is of a relatively moderate or low level.

B) Rancor collar's (and any other piece of equipment or ability or whatever) +10% DT can and will cause critical HP attacks to one shot you. It isn't a matter of debate.




For any further queries I will direct you to my questions and hints hotline, 1-800-BLU-BEST, ty.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2013-03-17 15:47:55
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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Rancor collar will make abilities that are suppose to just reduce you to critical, kill you. Try wearing rancor on ballistic kick and let me know how that goes.

Got any proof, I live in my Rancor gear and I've NEVER been oneshotted by ballistic kick or throat stab.

It won't kill you every time, but I've seen it happen on Ballistic Kick and Throat stab a few times to multiple people. The +Damage gets added on at the end after everything else I believe. If the damage gets reduced by Stoneskin or something else the +10% that gets added on might not kill you.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2013-03-17 16:01:24
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an 85 empy sucks anyway generally speaking, 90+ empyreans you notice them beating other variations.

90 isn't too hard to get, my TP build makes aftermaths Godly, and my CDC is consistently equal to Req, only dif being CDC can obv crit and massively out dmg it.

Average about 2.6-2.8k CDC about 3k requiscat depending on Target DEF. When you say "im using an almace but see I need a good CDC set to produce good numbers" No offense but surely if you have a E/R/M weapon you should have a good if not near optimal WS set otherwise why bother?

There are lots of ways of increasing Crit rate and dmg out of abyssea, such as Moonshade earring, athos boots / feet / hands, Tocis body, anwig salade with crit ws dmg and rate. Just a couple of examples.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2013-03-17 16:01:59
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Toci's has good DEX hence I mentioned it with regards to Crit before my comment gets jumped on >.>
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By Shiva.Paulu 2013-03-17 16:10:06
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Bahamut.Bojack said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
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Rancor collar will make abilities that are suppose to just reduce you to critical, kill you. Try wearing rancor on ballistic kick and let me know how that goes.

Got any proof, I live in my Rancor gear and I've NEVER been oneshotted by ballistic kick or throat stab.

It won't kill you every time, but I've seen it happen on Ballistic Kick and Throat stab a few times to multiple people. The +Damage gets added on at the end after everything else I believe. If the damage gets reduced by Stoneskin or something else the +10% that gets added on might not kill you.
It will make those 95% hp attacks kill you. I've gotten hit once mid backflip (taru blade: hi) from an deathgnash. I laughed pretty hard.
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