CDC Set Suggestions For VW

Wouldn't stacking Athos pieces be better for crit rate/dmg?

How many, and which are the days Athos's Gloves are in effect? I really wonder if Myrmex would be better nonetheless. Yeah that would make legs pretty useless also, in favor of Thaumas or Khepri.

IIRC the bonus to ftp from athos hands would apply on FIRE/WIND/THUNDER/LIGHT days.

Chant is Light / distortion. I'm not sure how these work exactly but I'd think that logically it'd do:

Light: Fire, Lightning, Wind, Light
Distortion: Ice and water

So it'd only not work on Earth and dark?

What I kinda thought, doesn't that make Athos gloves very very nice? Really wouldn't know what to chose between them and Myrmex.

They're only better on the days that they're active. In any other case, you're best off with Myrmex. You're never better off wearing athos legs or feet over thaumas.

Also Khandga is *** garbage. "No one's said anything about CDC gear in a long while" is a blatant lie and not an excuse for not reading other threads or having the common sense to realize how terrible multiattack swords are. Elemental gorget and athos's tabard are also ***.



I do not include the 6DEX neck piece nor ranco mantle because I don't give half a ***. This neck and back arrangement is more than acceptable and doesn't cost you 2 extra inventory slots. Ideal set would include Khepri slacks, but I do not include those at this time due to the unbelievably low chance of acquiring them.

Awesome, thanks for the clarification. I've got some stuff to go after now...

Slow your roll son, absolutely no need for profanity.

As for blatant lie? This thread and the other (last post made in november, by you no less) have been sitting around gathering dust for a little bit. I've looked, and found what was posted lacking so forgive me for trying to jumpstart discussion again.

As for making assumptions about common sense, something something *** when you assume. Offhand sword can be better? Sure use what you deem best. Call me gimp if it makes you feel better, and I'll pat you on the back for being pro.

As the rest of your criticisms, I included athos because I thought stacking crit+/dmg bonus would be worthwhile, if someone wants to show me some math that it's not even worth doing so be it.

People like you are exactly why so few post, I know nothing about you any more than you know about me but I certainly didn't come on here with half the attitude.

Apologies if I seemed too offensive, attempting to post ideal sets without even bothering to check your work (thus likely, such as in this case, spreading misinformation) seriously irks me. If you aren't going to bother doing the math for your "ideal set" then don't post it. If you also aren't going to bother looking into the proper offhand for your "ideal set", don't post it. There are countless posts on this forum about offhand weapons and which one to use. It is never a multiattack weapon.

Lv99 hume vs Lv110 monster with 600DEF and 115VIT

Average Damage with Toci: 1833
Average Damage with Athos: 1785

And for fun, let's do the same calculation with Khandga over Shikargar, completely ignoring the detrimental effects a Khandga has on the TP phase as well:

Average Damage with Toci+Khandga: 1782
Average Damage with Athos+Khandga: 1747

The apology isn't accepted because I doubt it's the least sincere. I know this is the interwebz and one shouldn't post if they're the least bit afraid of criticism but that doesn't mean we have to dispense with courtesy.

The minute I posted what I initially titled an "ideal set", I should have realized the mad-storm I was about to invoke. After the first 2 smart alek replies from the peanut gallery, I went back and changed the set title to "MY IDEAL SET" to alleviate confusion. While it may not be your ideal, it's what I hope to acquire/use given the resources (time/gil) that I can devote and my then understanding of what is/was the best in slot choice.

The offhand sword is going nowhere, I made it and have no regrets. Will I make a better offhand sword? Perhaps... just let me add that task to an ever growing to do list. Again call me gimp if you please, and I'll pat you on the back for being pro.

is the Rancor collar better than the Light gorget/belt setup? Any suggestions on mine?

(I can't win a lot on Thunder Sachet...)

I intend on working on on STR Sword. And Moonshade earring with TP Bonus/Attack. Don't have a Neo-Nyzul group atm though :/

Oh please Malekith, how is your attitude any friendly when you refuse apologies and keep stirring it up?

Besides, ideal means ideal, this game is made of math, there is no "my style", if your style differs from what actually is to be suggested then you're spreading misinformation, and if you don't mean to do that, then don't post, no one cares about your personal choices in life, but just about the best gear selection, and "opinion" in there only goes so far.

I'd rather have centipedes in my vagina than a multi-attack weapon in my offhand :(

Drop the gorget for rancor collar and the belt for cuchulains or pipilaka. The ele belt/gorget are pretty useless for this WS.

If by Pipilaka you mean Wanion!

Well yes wanion would win, but his post didn't make it sound like that was a possibility for him currently.

/eyeroll

If that's what passes for an apology after attacking me with profanity in his first post then to quote Dr. Farnsworth, "I don't want to live on this planet anymore." In no way was the tone conciliatory.

Nothing but a large run-on sentence, seriously use less commas and more periods.

If this is really about "best gear" I may as well make set containing stuff that no one even has a reasonable chance of acquiring. Fill it with Tizona x2 and Khepri gear and god knows what else. As stated previously and I'll even quote myself for emphasis....

No one cares about "your ideal." They want to know what the best reasonably obtainable options are.

Read the italicized portion...

Read the first three words.

Read my lips

For anyone with doubts as to my number's legitimacy:


Toci
P: Lv99, 156STR, 157DEX, 1089Attack, 11% TA, 27% DA, 67% Crit Rate, 125TP (Stalwart's, Champion's, Berserk, Red Curry Bun)
M: Lv110, 115VIT, 600DEF

D = 61
fSTR = 11
WSC = 79
fTP = 6.1706
Avg pDIF = 2.007134736112081

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fSTR
156 - 115 = 41
41 + 4 = 45
45/4 = 11.25



WSC
157 * .60 = 94.2
94 * .85 = 79.9



fTP
100 * .11 = 11
22 + 100 = 122 a/r

89 * .27 = 24.03
24.03 + 122 = 146.03 a/r

146.03 a/r = +.4603 fTP avg
.4603 * 2 = +.9206 fTP avg

5.25 + .9206 = 6.1706



pDIF
1089/600 = 1.815 ratio

1.815 - (110 - 99) * 0.05 = 1.265 cRatio

nAvg = 1.200131579
cAvg = 2.260263158

2.260263158 - 1.200131579 = 1.060131579
1.060131579 * .67 = .71028815793
.71028815793 + 1.200131579 = 1.91041973693

1.91041973693 * 1.025 = 1.95818023035325
1.95818023035325 * 1.025 = 2.007134736112081
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(61 + 11 + 79) * 6.1706 = 931.7606

931 * 2.007134736112081 = 1868




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Athos
P: Lv99, 143STR, 159DEX, 1064Attack, 8% TA, 24% DA, 67% Crit Rate, 5% Crit Damage, 125TP (Stalwart's, Champion's, Berserk, Red Curry Bun)
M: Lv110, 115VIT, 600DEF

D = 61
fSTR = 8
WSC = 80
fTP = 6.0116
Avg pDIF = 2.002474201997191

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fSTR
143 - 115 = 28
28 + 4 = 32
32/4 = 8



WSC
159 * .60 = 95.4
95 * .85 = 80.75



fTP
100 * .08 = 8
16 + 100 = 116 a/r

92 * .24 = 22.08
22.08 + 116 = 138.08 a/r

138.08 a/r = +.3808 fTP avg
.3808 * 2 = +.7616 fTP avg

5.25 + .7616 = 6.0116



pDIF
1064/600 = 1.7733 ratio

1.7733 - (110 - 99) * 0.05 = 1.2233 cRatio

nAvg = 1.168576809
cAvg = 2.216774342

2.216774342 - 1.168576809 = 1.048197533
1.048197533 * .67 = .70229234711
.70229234711 * 1.05 = .7374069644655
.7374069644655 + 1.168576809 = 1.9059837734655

1.9059837734655 * 1.025 = 1.953633367802138
1.953633367802138 * 1.025 = 2.002474201997191
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(61 + 8 + 80) * 6.0116 = 895.7284

895 * 2.002474201997191 = 1792



I'm not going to bother doing it again for Khandga. Numbers here are slightly different from previous because my spreadsheet does not take into account average pDIF properly, so it's slightly off of math done by hand.

As for your concerns over the apology for my hostility, quite frankly, you can go *** yourself.





Rancor+Wanion(or cuchulain) is better than ele gorget/belt, yes.

But guys! His playstyle!

honestly don't see how proth should need to apologize in the first place, he wasn't attacking you. you're just being sensitive because of his diction in this situation. in reality, you should apologize for making my *** soft. i feel offended. :(

Gracias! /bow

You're just a silly dancer... shoo...

@Proth, if you posted numbers before we could have headed off 90% of the mad and butthurt, yours not mine because I'm not taking this nearly as seriously as the rest of you.

Keep dropping F-bombs bro-ski it makes you look smarter.

If you need set advice, post it in a way that is asking for set advice. That'd have headed off 100% of it.