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 Garuda.Wooooodum
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-04-16 18:27:25
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Magistrella said:
If you wanna play a game for fun, go play offline


One time I got outclaimed on an NM I'd been campin for four hours. I logged off, killed some aliens in Unreal and I felt great, as if I'd just got laid or something.

Your argument is very good!
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-04-16 18:27:49
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lol wooooodum have you looked at me, my jobs, and my gear? ive never done anything but sky and i dont even do that anymore.


Then why the sickening attitude?
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By Kujata.Houshisama 2009-04-16 18:30:34
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Magistrella said:
Wooooodum said:
Houshisama said:
***: person who *** about the way things are


Splendid attitude you have to your fellow gamers there. Have you ever considered that this attitude is the reason people ask for change anyway? From all but the occasional experience, people in the end game clique treat those outside with contempt and disrespect; you're clearly no different.

If your only argument as to why things shouldn't change is because it undermines your effort, I hope they change things, just to put you and your fellow "1337 pals"'s sickening ego down a peg.


^this and - If you wanna play a game for fun, go play offline - in a MMO its 90% about drama, idiocracy, and accomplishment - if you cant take that - go cry in the corner.

If you dont understand that here a little example:

LOL Domarusam
lolpup
LOLAFdrg
lolafwhm

^~^


i like pup. domaru is a dumb body piece at least. some drg af is ok. ive done lolafwhm as my first job.

personally i dont give a ***about a persons gear as long as they make an attempt to be knowledgeable about what they need and be prepared.

do i expect a pld to have an aegis and a defending ring? no.
do i expect them to be a good pld regardless? yes

i have respect to the person who does have that stuff and took the time to get it, and it would personally make me saddened for them to become easy-to-get common items
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By Pandemonium.Liquidz 2009-04-16 18:31:33
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The thing is they update things they don't need to. Lets take Thief's Knife as an example. Yes I was pissed off when they changed Sozu Rogberry and it had nothing to do with e-peen. It was about all the work I had to put to get one and now anyone could get it if they were willing to farm pop item for a few hours.

Did they needed to update Sozu? No. Why? Cause Thief's knife is TH+1%... 1%!! This is ridiculous... Does every thf in the game really needed one? Not at all... those crazy enough to want that little 1% add could go camp it even if it was very hard.

There's also a difference between E-peen and being proud of the hard work you did put in your character for yourself and in my case I'd add to benefit to all my friends.

But yes this game is full of elitist douche bag and this won't change... but everyone should be able to ignore them and still have fun in FFXI.
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By Carbuncle.Magistrella 2009-04-16 18:31:35
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Wooooodum said:
Magistrella said:
If you wanna play a game for fun, go play offline


One time I got outclaimed on an NM I'd been campin for four hours. I logged off, killed some aliens in Unreal and I felt great, as if I'd just got laid or something.

Your argument is very good!


Why didnt you try to get laid anyways in the first place ^~^ no need to kill poor Aliens ; ; *cries*

btw, if i would change that, i'd make it like buying pop items with Conquest Points, so people have to actually work for that again doing FoV, redo Missions, merit in Conquest areas (Hobgoblin anglers FTW!!!)

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By Carbuncle.Magistrella 2009-04-16 18:33:33
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Liquidz said:
The thing is they update things they don't need to. Lets take Thief's Knife as an example. Yes I was pissed off when they changed Sozu Rogberry and it had nothing to do with e-peen. It was about all the work I had to put to get one and now anyone could get it if they were willing to farm pop item for a few hours.

Did they needed to update Sozu? No. Why? Cause Thief's knife is TH+1%... 1%!! This is ridiculous... Does every thf in the game really needed one? Not at all... those crazy enough to want that little 1% add could go camp it even if it was very hard.

There's also a difference between E-peen and being proud of the hard work you did put in your character for yourself and in my case I'd add to benefit to all my friends.

But yes this game is full of elitist douche bag and this won't change... but everyone should be able to ignore them and still have fun in FFXI.


to correct you and reassure you - the community still doesnt know if its +1% on droprate or if its +1 Roll on drops since SE has not stating anything about +TH items (if im wrong here, can i haz a cheezburgerz? ; ;)

P.S.: Cookies will do too <.<
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-16 18:33:36
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Magistrella said:

in a MMO its 90% about drama, idiocracy, and accomplishment - if you cant take that - go cry in the corner.


Well you're the one who cannot take it apparently, QQ'ing how your schedule is tight so you cannot take part in all end game activities. How sad :'( Also MMO ain't about accomplishment, everything you achieve here will never remains once the server will be closed. You develop no raw skill by playing a MMO like FF XI.

Real accomplishment = pro gaming / e-sport.

If you wanna be a pro, start playing Starcraft/W3, CStrike/Q4 or any game that require real talent to succeed.
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By Pandemonium.Liquidz 2009-04-16 18:36:30
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Magistrella said:


to correct you and reassure you - the community still doesnt know if its +1% on droprate or if its +1 Roll on drops since SE has not stating anything about +TH items (if im wrong here, can i haz a cheezburgerz? ; ;)

P.S.: Cookies will do too <.<


Lot of test been done about it and it did show an increase of about 1%. So we might both be right, let's split a cheezburgerz and a cookie! One sure thing is drop increase is in no way noticeable, enhance why I said it's not really needed.
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By Asura.Endelig 2009-04-16 18:37:37
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Not having time to play makes playing exactly 45% more fun.
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By Pandemonium.Liquidz 2009-04-16 18:39:28
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Antipika said:
Also MMO ain't about accomplishment, everything you achieve here will never remains once the server will be closed. You develop no raw skill by playing a MMO like FF XI.

Real accomplishment = pro gaming / e-sport.

If you wanna be a pro, start playing Starcraft/W3, CStrike/Q4 or any game that require real talent to succeed.


Oh come on... You can develop patience and tolerance toward retards and elistist ****. And while it doesn't take much brain skills to play FFXI... I'm surprised by the amount of basic things a lot of players can't seem to get.
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-16 18:43:07
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Liquidz said:
And while it doesn't take much brain skills to play FFXI... I'm surprised by the amount of basic things a lot of players can't seem to get.


Same :< But still a lot of FF XI players think that they're "good players" because they own "good gear". Well that's hardly the case. Some may are (having good items doesn't prevent you to be a good player), while some are completely stupid.

The same goes for someone without 100% pimp gear, doesn't mean he's a bad player at all :x People have a hard time understanding this.
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By Carbuncle.Magistrella 2009-04-16 18:43:10
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Liquidz said:
Antipika said:
Also MMO ain't about accomplishment, everything you achieve here will never remains once the server will be closed. You develop no raw skill by playing a MMO like FF XI.

Real accomplishment = pro gaming / e-sport.

If you wanna be a pro, start playing Starcraft/W3, CStrike/Q4 or any game that require real talent to succeed.


Oh come on... You can develop patience and tolerance toward retards and elistist ****. And while it doesn't take much brain skills to play FFXI... I'm surprised by the amount of basic things a lot of players can't seem to get.


Says the person who only has to take one job to endgame and to gear out, oh well done, if i'd done that i'd have enough time to stay in some Time-consuming HNM LS to get the last bit of my sexy gear

@Liquidz - I second that... just found another lolstrmnk otw to AH *thumbs up*
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-16 18:45:45
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Magistrella said:
Says the person who only has to take one job to endgame and to gear out, oh well done, if i'd done that i'd have enough time to stay in some Time-consuming HNM LS to get the last bit of my sexy gear


Keep QQ'ing :p I mean I enjoy my FF XI while you're the one crying saying a player need a 40 hours week to enjoy this game :]
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By Bismarck.Nours 2009-04-16 18:49:36
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No, just no.
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By Carbuncle.Magistrella 2009-04-16 18:58:38
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Antipika said:
Magistrella said:
Says the person who only has to take one job to endgame and to gear out, oh well done, if i'd done that i'd have enough time to stay in some Time-consuming HNM LS to get the last bit of my sexy gear


Keep QQ'ing :p I mean I enjoy my FF XI while you're the one crying saying a player need a 40 hours week to enjoy this game :]


Why do i even answer on this when the my words are getting twisted like 180° degrees in your poor mind in an instant....

Its good for you, that youre fine with playing one job to 75, go to everything as the same Job, do the same things everywhere over and over. All i call that is BORING~

I'm enjoying beeing able to help out as healer/supporter/tank/DD or w/e is needed there, but i hate it beeing damned to half assed gear on most of my Jobs cause i dont wanna dedicate more then Limbus and Dyna gear on it and getting enslaved into an HNM LS - if you cant understand that without trying to go in the "UUUUUUH *whine* all a game should be about is FUN"-way then once again i call you a small minded person. As said, it might be fun for you only beeing one job the whole time, but for others, it isnt.
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-16 18:59:58
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Completely unrelated, could have 10 jobs, would been geared the same way.

You think you need to own everything in this game in order to play while I think player gotta make choice over the gear they want and event they wanna attend. Enjoy your FF XI where D.ring drop off TW monsters just because you wanna be "pimp" after playing 5 years...
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By Kujata.Houshisama 2009-04-16 19:00:13
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Why do i keep starting fires?

It's my desire.
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By Bismarck.Barrd 2009-04-16 22:16:44
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well i will like to see king pop whit pop items for smaller linkshell to get the skill thay need to do thing in small numbers
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By Shiva.Artemicion 2009-04-16 22:18:53
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I think NMs should keep their typical spawn conditions, but there definitely should alternate methods of being able to fight these NMs without needing a better bot than the other botting LS to have a chance of a claim; let alone a drop.

A string of quests and or rare item drops used to pop these NMs would be a definite plus.
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By Bismarck.Barrd 2009-04-16 22:38:59
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pop item i the way to go it is best for everyone
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-16 22:47:49
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These drops should remain something controlled, by controlled I mean something like d.ring cannot drop more than X time in a year knowing the spawn condition of KB + the average drop rate. Cannot just make a force pop system where items could simply be spammed (unless drop rate very very low).

Now I don't it's a good answer to fight against botting. SE just need to clean the HNMls scene up, permbanning any bot users and any user who were aware that someone was botting in is LS and didn't report it. Yeah it's harsh, but that's the only way to makes things change.

But banning people = less $ for SE, not to mention all the frustrated LS who would prolly stop playing if half of their members or more gets banned because of botting.
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By Bismarck.Barrd 2009-04-16 22:51:35
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but what can we do bot are every where pop item will stop that BS and make the game more fun for every 1 and pop item sude still random nq and hq nm too keep it fun say you go to kill B whit low man end up with a KB lol let play and have fun
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-04-16 23:03:33
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Turn BCNM into instances like nyzle isle. So more then 1 group can enter.
Then you can fight wtv you calls it....could be a ENM or something of sort

Its just gay camping a NM for 12hr+ to lose claim....the game is about to have fun not "omfg he stole our NM" and is it healthy to camp something that long??? (looks at ffxi welcome page)
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By Garuda.Antipika 2009-04-16 23:10:22
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Well I don't like competition on PvE games either, but some players do, and I think it would be bad to remove that part of the game.

Now I could say it's just gay doing 80 Silver Sea Remnant runs and not to get a single Usu body or Morri legs either... Gay to do a 3hr30 Dynamis - Xar to get no drop either (well now they upgraded drop rate, but I do remember before...). Lot of things in this game are based on repetition. Kings just sux because of botting, otherwise it wouldn't be "that bad" if every linkshell had an equal chance to claim.

Camping 3hr while being able to do something else is way better than chaining stupid salvage area everyday to see nothing drop, or drop you don't need but cannot even trade/exchange.
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By Siren.Bowleteus 2009-04-17 00:25:44
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gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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By Fenrir.Jeniffer 2009-04-17 00:44:32
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kill the darters guys, their PHs!
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By Siren.Antigod 2009-04-17 01:14:50
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If they made all NMs come from forced pops.. most gear would hold no value. Just go make gil on your own and buy the lot rights from HNMLS if you want it that bad.. or you could always:

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By Shiva.Xellith 2009-04-17 01:57:35
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make HNM poppable using zeni points.

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By Alexander.Ashleylarry 2009-04-17 02:21:15
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It's all about your $12.95 nothin more nothin less....all about the $12.95.

The longer you chase your pixel dream the more of this ---------

----------------------------->>>>>>>>>>>> $12.95
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