Well I Am Baked.

Silvaria, unless I drank considerably more than the 6 beers I thought I had tonight, there are 5 posts between my post and your last post. I did not quote you, and I apologize if I did not make it clear I was making a general statement.

Don't take it there.. I mean even I know that's not exactly an argument.. (look at how many medicines are perscribed a year that 6 months to 2 years later end up being all over TV commericals "If you or your family member took <drug> and ended up *** a donkey while slitting your/their wrists, you may be entitled to compensation, call this number) but they'll just come back with the equivelant of "yeah in California" or some stupid ***..

Okay, Now I really got to go to bed.. I don't want to <_< but thanks to SOMEONE pointing it out that I should been in bed already, every minute I linger is every minute I'll pay.

Wow...calling someone's choice "stupid" IS judgmental. I truly fail to see how anyone can not recognize that.

Hm, maybe an example...if I tell a Christian they are "stupid" for believing in God, aren't I being judgmental?

Labeling someone's personal choice as stupid is -judging- that choice, and reaching a verdict, i.e., that it is stupid. I really don't know how else to explain that...

Fair enough. ^,^

i personally like to relax after a long week

marijuana is more relaxing with less return effect than any other drug

feels good man...

Ah, well, I'm out of here for the night. Elana, as I said, we often agree on things, but if you refuse to see that labeling someone's personal choice as "stupid" is being judgmental, and in effect calling them stupid, then I don't know what else to say.

Take care. 8)

i enjoy winding down without hurting my body!

me too

I'm just trolling here.. but I see a lot of frustration brewing here.

we got the weed smokers (me) trying to justify themselves to the opposition, and the "opposition" trying to denigrate the practice.

usually the go to argument is that "stupid potheads" don't know what's good for them, maybe so.

If we're the stupid ones, why are you in a thread called "well I am baked" arguing with us?

In response to Hit (just to make it clear), I only browsed the first 2 pages. I don't think anyone is really arguing, and I think Elana was just trying to point out that there are some negative consequences.

Fair enough, but I think all of us in life are prone to our own bad habits, and try as we might, none of us will live forever. I'll consider buds to be one of my calculated risks, and sow the consequences when they arrive.

There are some positive things that come with weed though, many artists are inspired by its use. many... many.

I agree. I drink more than I should at times. I also used to smoke cigarettes, and it used to be a great stress reliever. One I wish I still could use, actually. It's something non-smokers wouldn't be able to understand.

Maybe I wasn't making myself clear, or maybe you have a hard time understanding simple things (common among pot users), or maybe you mistakenly read everything I write as if I'm using a sarcastic tone (which I am often not). I'm not sure, but, yeah ...


I'll try to make it more plain for you:
Yes, I concurred that burning any organic material releases chemicals. I added "(duh?)" because anyone knows that (I really can't believe you're trying to play it off that you're really bright or well-informed because you know that).
However, trying to justify pot smoking with the argument that any ol' random plant material releases some chemicals when burnt is ridiculous.

Strawberries contain fructose. While some would argue that fructose consumption is harmful, it's generally ok to eat. Yew berries also contain fructose. Would you eat those?

Bake a few into your next batch of brownies to test your theory out. You won't be around to make a later reply to this thread after eating them though, I'm afraid.




You're absolutely right. Inhaling campfire smoke (or any smoke) is a pretty unhealthy thing to do.
And yes, marijuana is less harmful than many other vices. Hell, even I've said that in my posts here. It's less addictive than cigarettes. It's less likely to cause vehicular homicide than getting drunk off booze.

However, Trauma, there ARE some people here who are trying to argue that marijuana is harmless (at least, that's my assessment). It's those people who can only see things in black & white that I'm trying to reach. There's more than two categories out there (harmful and harmless), but some people either can only handle two categories, or choose to only accept two categories because it's easier to understand. You're not one of those simpletons, Trauma, and neither am I, but they are here.

I'm just trying to dispel the false reality these folks cling to.

Not as harmful as something more harmful ==/== harmless.

<understood> Well, like I said, I was just trollin. I said my piece I'll be on my way now. On a separate note, I find your avatar's gaze to be strangely soothing.. odd being as how I'm not even high right now.

Ahh, ok, now I catch your drift. Yes, I agree with you here.
Yes, if I was a chain-smoker (tobacco) and went on blabbing about the negative consequences of smoking pot ... yes, that would be ignorant and hypocritical.

You're right, we do often agree on these boards. I hold you in positive regard, despite this current impasse.

To use your example above ... if someone called my religious beliefs (or more accurately, lack thereof) stupid, I would not jump to the conclusion that that person is calling me stupid.

I do however, recognize that many people, unfortunately (in my opinion) DO jump to that conclusion (especially in text format where body language and inflection are lost).

Sorry if I offended you. If so, it was certainly unintentional. That said, pot smoking is stupid! And if I'm being judgmental by saying that, so be it.

Correct. I actually have *some* respect for people that smoke pot and fully acknowledge that it's unhealthy and potentially dangerous .. like "Hit" here.

My beef is with the potheads that have deluded themselves into believing that it's not harmful to smoke pot.

Only counter argument i've seen so far is elanabelle's saying smoking pot is still harmful to your health.

However i don't see any evidence of it being more harmful than other legal things in any of your links.

There are many reasons i think pot should be legal.. biggest being if its legal

*The government can place standards on quality and production (make it safer <_<)

*The government can tax it


Other than that i dont see the huge deal.. usually the government is all about ways to make money taxing ***..

And i really do see the parallels to alcohol.. making that ***illegal just helps gangs and other outlaws profit off it.


On the other hand i wouldn't have a problem if certain employers didn't want to hire people who smoked pot for w/e reason.

But lets face it some jobs don't take a rocket scientists to perform..

"Would you like fries with that ??"

I've said it once or twice here before, but i'll say it again.
My philosophy with virtually any "substance" is the same as this ancient German philosopher from the 1400s I think? Anyways, his quote was something along the lines of:

"Everything in this world is a poison. Too much of anything can be harmful to your person; but what matters most is the dosage."

I stated earlier that I'm neither a proponent for or against the legalization of pot. If push came to shove, I'd vote against it, but I really don't have strong feelings either way on the debate.

I also stated that my beef with pot users is that many of them subscribe to this philosophy: "well, it isn't as harmful or addictive as smoking tobacco cigarettes, so that must mean it's safe and harmless".

I have so much more respect for the pothead that knows the risks and understands the potential consequences ... compared to a pothead that spews ignorance and claims s/he "knows" it's harmless based on "research" or comparisons to tobacco cigarettes.

In my opinion, that logic is similar to this: "hmmmm, I know drinking gasoline is harmful to my health, and since that bottle of bleach doesn't contain any gasoline, it must be harmless, and it'll be ok for me to drink it."

well for anybody interested found a couple of decent links by googleing "Drug Policy"

here is a statement the white house put out concerning marijuana

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/dfc/files/impact_drug_legal.pdf

basically if they legalize marijuana would make legalizing other drugs easier and thats bad mmkay...


here is what im assuming (can't be bothered to research the source more) is a study California legislators used as part of deciding to legalize pot...

http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies/CT351.html

basically a look at economic impacts of legalizing pot and the effects of setting varying tax rates.

I use a similar mantra. I've always lived by the "Pick your poison" saying. I decided smoking marijuana was going to be the lesser of 2 evils for me, and that's all I've ever done. I know it sounds crazy, but I've never been drunk. I've had small amounts of alcohol in candies and in the rum balls my mom bakes for christmas, but I've never drank a beer or had a shot.

I've also been offered slightly harder drugs, like doing Mushrooms or Salvia, but I've always turned them down. I don't need anything more than some good old THC. I guess you could say Marijuana is my anti-drug. :)

don't forget to bring a towel!

Febreeze works wonders.