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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-08-25 17:28:38
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If its a substantial increase to crit hits Apoc DRK will benefit a lot from this being a DPS DD but... non relic DRKs using 5hits like they should be working for imo wont benefit as much with I would say 65/35 WS ~ TP, SE should just give us DA :(
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-25 17:41:44
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lol DA would break drk/sam.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-25 17:42:36
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
lol DA would break drk/sam.

But it would be damn fun >_>
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By Fenrir.Mankey 2010-08-25 17:44:34
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
lol DA would break drk/sam.
wouldnt break it ! still wouldnt have retaliation :( but would close the gap between it and other heavy DDs :p
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By Shiva.Daimos 2010-08-25 17:46:08
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Retaliation always seems to get me killed ^^;
In abyssea anyways
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-25 17:55:05
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Fenrir.Mankey said:
SE should just give us DA :(

^ This.

I mean, seeing as jobs like dnc and now thf are now getting Dual wield etc... I don't see why DA has to really necessarily remain for WAR only.

Cerberus.Excelior said:
lol DA would break drk/sam.

I don't think so. What about war/sam and its other abilities etc. ? Also, SAM/WAR can get it (though I know there is SAM/DRG, but still).

Furthermore, it's not like drk doesn't even have DA, it can have at least 5% (if you just use brutal earring), adding the DA jobtrait to DRK would put you at least 15% DA total. I don't see how that breaks drk/sam honestly, if anything...it will close the gap between it and other heavy DDs, like Mankey said. And I will definitely welcome that.
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By Cerberus.Starr 2010-08-25 21:14:02
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DRK will still suck, especially Exc's
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-08-25 21:33:14
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The critical damage is like 3%. Hardly anything worth mentioning.


DRK still has stun, making it more useful than Warrior, regardless of DPS. Double attacking and retaliation doesn't do ***when your alliance is dead from a crippling slam, and it seems being 10ft away means BLM can't read chat log.
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-25 23:26:08
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
The critical damage is like 3%. Hardly anything worth mentioning. DRK still has stun, making it more useful than Warrior, regardless of DPS. Double attacking and retaliation doesn't do ***when your alliance is dead from a crippling slam, and it seems being 10ft away means BLM can't read chat log.

My personal favorite is dying to clusters in Tav safehold :D
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-26 09:36:38
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DRK has a horrible crit rate during TP and no decent WS that crits. In the days when we all wore homam, we had only ~10-15 DEX in our TP build, which is no where near enough to get a decent crit rate. Now everyone is wearing Perle, dDEX will be slightly higher, but still pretty low.

So we are getting a 5% increase in our crits which happen around 10-15% of the time in our TP phase; and our TP phase only accounts for 40% of our total damage (assuming 5hit).

That’s around 0.3% increase in our total damage. A little more if you are using a 6hit or have lots of DEX some how.
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-26 13:20:07
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Valefor.Argettio said:
DRK has a horrible crit rate during TP and no decent WS that crits. In the days when we all wore homam, we had only ~10-15 DEX in our TP build, which is no where near enough to get a decent crit rate. Now everyone is wearing Perle, dDEX will be slightly higher, but still pretty low. So we are getting a 5% increase in our crits which happen around 10-15% of the time in our TP phase; and our TP phase only accounts for 40% of our total damage (assuming 5hit). That’s around 0.3% increase in our total damage. A little more if you are using a 6hit or have lots of DEX some how.

Well this woulda been great back in the Tredecim days. I'm happy though, apoc drk is about 75% melee damage.
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By Lakshmi.Leondimas 2010-08-26 14:15:29
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Not too excited about this update so far. Can't figure out how a DRK can really make this most of this trait. Maybe if we get more than one tier somehow?
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-26 14:34:57
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Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
Not too excited about this update so far. Can't figure out how a DRK can really make this most of this trait. Maybe if we get more than one tier somehow?

I'd stop complainin, at least we're not getting more bull ***abilitys to enhance elemental magic use.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-26 14:38:52
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
Not too excited about this update so far. Can't figure out how a DRK can really make this most of this trait. Maybe if we get more than one tier somehow?

I'd stop complainin, at least we're not getting more bull ***abilitys to enhance elemental magic use.

This D:

I wish SE would enhance our melee dd abilities more.
But I do enjoy 500-600 Drain IIs :P
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By Bismarck.Juris 2010-08-26 15:13:14
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A really good WS with crit ability would be just fine. Like a Guillotine with crit (or other 4 hit).
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By Lakshmi.Leondimas 2010-08-26 15:14:11
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
Not too excited about this update so far. Can't figure out how a DRK can really make this most of this trait. Maybe if we get more than one tier somehow?

I'd stop complainin, at least we're not getting more bull ***abilitys to enhance elemental magic use.
I do not have a job leveled that already has this trait, so my experience with it is none whatsoever. A buff is a buff, that's fine. My only true complaint is "will it be noticeable?". I'm gonna plead ignorance on this one.
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-26 15:18:53
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Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
Cerberus.Excelior said:
Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
Not too excited about this update so far. Can't figure out how a DRK can really make this most of this trait. Maybe if we get more than one tier somehow?
I'd stop complainin, at least we're not getting more bull ***abilitys to enhance elemental magic use.
I do not have a job leveled that already has this trait, so my experience with it is none whatsoever. A buff is a buff, that's fine. My only true complaint is "will it be noticeable?". I'm gonna plead ignorance on this one.

Probably only if you're an avid parser or knowledgable with ffxi math. I know atm the highest possible crit I can do with apocalypse is 825ish. The momment I hit for over 900 I will be like holy ***.
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By Lakshmi.Leondimas 2010-08-26 15:38:47
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
Cerberus.Excelior said:
Lakshmi.Leondimas said:
y crit bonus?
quit yer bitchin
but i iz dum ;;

Probably only if you're an avid parser or knowledgable with ffxi math. I know atm the highest possible crit I can do with apocalypse is 825ish. The momment I hit for over 900 I will be like holy ***.
Post pics when you do! :D
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-08-26 15:48:11
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From seeing it on WAR I'd say it's pretty noticeable. It's not a huge upgrade but at least it's something, DRK needs some extra damage to at least put it on par, or closer to other DDs, say WAR and SAM.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-08-26 16:02:07
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Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-26 16:03:40
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Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.

ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT!

jk:P

Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-26 16:04:52
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT! jk:P Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?

I joined VoIume a few days ago.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-26 16:07:34
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT! jk:P Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?

I joined VoIume a few days ago.

Cool grats ^
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-08-26 16:08:48
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Cerberus.Excelior said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT! jk:P Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?
I joined VoIume a few days ago.
Cool grats ^

Meh I'm bored. We camp all day, which is sad cause they have kaces bot and there is zero competition. We sit for 3 hours with fafnir up then kill him so he stays in our time zone.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-26 16:10:35
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Phoenix.Excelior said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Cerberus.Excelior said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT! jk:P Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?
I joined VoIume a few days ago.
Cool grats ^

Meh I'm bored. We camp all day, which is sad cause they have kaces bot and there is zero competition. We sit for 3 hours with fafnir up then kill him so he stays in our time zone.

Lol, sounds like fun...:P
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-26 16:23:53
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT! jk:P Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?

I joined VoIume a few days ago.

Thought they were Resonance now.
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-26 16:24:36
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Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said:
Cerberus.Excelior said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Inb4 the people who still think any WS can crit. They're gonna show up here soon.
ARE YOU SAYING GUILLOTINE CANT CRIT?! OSHIT! jk:P Again: Phoenix wat? when did you swap?
I joined VoIume a few days ago.
Thought they were Resonance now.

They are, same leaders as VoIume though. I think its a merger of Beyond and VoIume.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-27 09:06:59
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Cerberus.Excelior said:
Valefor.Argettio said:
DRK has a horrible crit rate during TP and no decent WS that crits. In the days when we all wore homam, we had only ~10-15 DEX in our TP build, which is no where near enough to get a decent crit rate. Now everyone is wearing Perle, dDEX will be slightly higher, but still pretty low. So we are getting a 5% increase in our crits which happen around 10-15% of the time in our TP phase; and our TP phase only accounts for 40% of our total damage (assuming 5hit). That’s around 0.3% increase in our total damage. A little more if you are using a 6hit or have lots of DEX some how.

Well this woulda been great back in the Tredecim days. I'm happy though, apoc drk is about 75% melee damage.

It only works out to be a 0.5-0.6% increase for Apoc. It is free damage, so we should be thankful for that, but we need to be realistic about how much we will gain from it.

I always said Insurgency should have been a criting WS :-P
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