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 Caitsith.Jar
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 17:54:53
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yeah just a question when zerging on DRK with out a multihit one handed weapon wouldnt dual wielding bastalkan daggers be better than just using 1 dagger? (if zerging /nin) just wondering what too use as i farm for M kris
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2010-05-22 17:57:02
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Mkris + HP shield
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 17:58:43
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congradulations on not answering the question o/ i said im getting that but what good too use pre multi hit weapon.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-05-22 18:01:56
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I am in no way an expert on the matter, but I do recall reading a post, I believe from here, that using Republican's was acceptable.
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 18:06:50
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yeah id think the point would be to do 2 things stack HP gear and get yourself hitting as fast as you can. so ima try out dual wield with the nub daggers cus my shell needs all the zerg we can get asap o/
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By Sylph.Ashaaman 2010-05-22 18:08:11
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Using just one will be faster delay, meaning more hits w/ souleater. Plus you should be subbing either DRG(Wyvern Earring) or MNK(for more HP). That is... If it's a true dead on zerg.

Edit, ignore me, I was thinking multi-hit for some reason... Carry one, 2 daggers is right.
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 18:12:16
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gunna do math cus i dont see how that would be better right now o/ spill me some numbers ppl i <3 them
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-22 18:13:02
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You don't need to do the math, Two of the same dagger will always be faster than one of that dagger. Provided you're forced to be /NIN.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:14:34
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Is dagger even worth using over fort axe if it's not mkris?
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-22 18:15:07
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Is dagger even worth using over fort axe if it's not mkris?
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with out a multihit
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:18:33
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Siren.Enternius said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Is dagger even worth using over fort axe if it's not mkris?
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with out a multihit
Yea, which is why I picked the easiest, free multihit to get. Hell, I solo'd that thing 22 times before getting my torque, lol
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-22 18:20:18
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Siren.Enternius said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Is dagger even worth using over fort axe if it's not mkris?
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with out a multihit
Yea, which is why I picked the easiest, free multihit to get. Hell, I solo'd that thing 22 times before getting my torque, lol
I'd say Merc Kris is actually easier to get. Granted, it's not a 100% drop but you can get it at LV20!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:22:59
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Well, I've never tried to get an Mkris nor do I know what's required to do so, but if it's easier than kiting, then I should go get one
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-22 18:24:49
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Well, I've never tried to get an Mkris nor do I know what's required to do so, but if it's easier than kiting, then I should go get one
Need 30ish fishing, then need to get a Pirate's Chart from a quest, similar to Ebisu, but much easier. You then trade that to a spot in Valkurm that spawns 3 LV20ish NMs. Caps you at LV20 also.

Two SMNS using Astral Flow can kill the NMs, but drop rate is about 5%.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:26:12
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Yea, well I guess you can say "easier" but provided you have sea, and if you had 30 fishing, started at the same time trying to actively obtain one of each. The person going for fort would most likely get theirs a shitton faster
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 18:26:41
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yeah did the math myself got dualwielded daggers doign an extra 5 hits with suppanomimi on pre haste gear so just with brd 2houred haste and haste spell
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:28:01
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Btw, checking your jobs, you have more than 1 job that can solo jailer of fort, and they all can do it easier/more quickly than my 75 mnk did
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-22 18:28:41
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Yea, well I guess you can say "easier" but provided you have sea, and if you had 30 fishing, started at the same time trying to actively obtain one of each. The person going for fort would most likely get theirs a shitton faster
BUT, if you're just starting a new game at LV1, you'll have a Merc Kris years before you can get 75, finish all of CoP, then farm 10 stupid Ghrah chips.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:30:41
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Siren.Enternius said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Yea, well I guess you can say "easier" but provided you have sea, and if you had 30 fishing, started at the same time trying to actively obtain one of each. The person going for fort would most likely get theirs a shitton faster
BUT, if you're just starting a new game at LV1, you'll have a Merc Kris years before you can get 75, finish all of CoP, then farm 10 stupid Ghrah chips.
Not relevant to this topic, as OP has sea
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 18:32:20
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k thx guys you where of little to no help had to do all the math myself and no one even cared about the topic not being about multi hits o/
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-22 18:32:39
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Caitsith.Jar said:
k thx guys you where of little to no help had to do all the math myself and no one even cared about the topic not being about multi hits o/
I answered your question.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:33:25
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If you want to go out of your way to do less damage, yea I'm not going to be any help in that department, sorry.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:34:03
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Siren.Enternius said:
Caitsith.Jar said:
k thx guys you where of little to no help had to do all the math myself and no one even cared about the topic not being about multi hits o/
I answered your question.
And yes, Etern did. You chose not to take his word for it, your fault, not his.
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 18:38:01
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I'd like to see some maths comparing the -delay from dualwielding and the added hp from a shield

instead of derailing "LOL NOT GONNA GIVE MY OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE GIMP"
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By Phoenix.Airbag 2010-05-22 18:38:25
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oh wait its more like "I"M GONNA TELL YOU IM NOT GONNA GIVE MY OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE GIMP"
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By Caitsith.Jar 2010-05-22 18:41:44
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no Etern did not he said to go quest M kris... i said i was farming for it and that this set up is for until i get that.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:41:45
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Phoenix.Airbag said:
I'd like to see some maths comparing the -delay from dualwielding and the added hp from a shield

instead of derailing "LOL NOT GONNA GIVE MY OPINION IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE GIMP"
Considering OP didn't even ask about shields, wtf are you talking about?

Yea, I can read your mind before you post in a thread. /sarcasm.
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By Hades.Excelior 2010-05-22 18:42:45
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Subduer is the best non-multihit weapon to zerg with. Mainly do the additional critical hits and lower delay. Most parses I've done show it at half the damage of a MKris give or take. The fact you can /sam and hasso with it as well as WS also contributes a bit more than a Dagger would.
Tredecim is another good option, just need a mage to cure you after WSs. I suppose rune chopper is compable as well to the scythe/greatsword but its kinda meh since they nerfed the haste cap a few years ago.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-05-22 18:44:31
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I'd rather use a Ferrara if I were to use a non-multihit 2handed weapon.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-22 18:44:54
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Here, have fun
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t0Uc2WHATXcUm-xaOCbo25A&output=html
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