Greatsword Naglering V. Albion

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greatsword Naglering V. albion
 Sylph.Biginallways
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By Sylph.Biginallways 2010-05-20 09:48:28
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I'll be the first to admit that with the proper party setup, there isn't a job in this game that can outparse blu at bird camps. Don't fool yourselfs guys... blu can solo greater colibri.
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By Titan.Gennss 2010-05-20 09:57:47
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Deeeep it seems my math was wrong on the math comment. I apologize.
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By Caitsith.Katas 2010-05-20 10:06:27
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Understandable with the Blus currently flooding the game that any given person would doubt the job but the HQ's are able to pull good numbers.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2010-05-20 10:34:28
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BIGGIE!
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By Sylph.Biginallways 2010-05-20 10:37:27
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you had better bring your *** to sylph zor!!!
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2010-05-20 10:52:11
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I need to tie up some loose ends first!!

~which means its still a few months away..
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2010-05-20 11:02:18
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Zor is going nowheres ese, he's staying with me.
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By Sylph.Biginallways 2010-05-20 11:08:39
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doesn't appear that way satanas lol. Don't remember you from bahamut but you're welcome to come as well. ;)
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By Alexander.Varistor 2010-05-20 11:20:30
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everyone keeps talking about hitting 80 after first update. there are 3 updates to get us to 99. that is more than 5 lvls per update. don't forget. 8 lvls per update. so lvl 83 come next month. amirite?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-20 11:29:44
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Alexander.Varistor said:
everyone keeps talking about hitting 80 after first update. there are 3 updates to get us to 99. that is more than 5 lvls per update. don't forget. 8 lvls per update. so lvl 83 come next month. amirite?
Um no because SE specifically said the first one is only to 80.
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By Alexander.Varistor 2010-05-20 11:33:50
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ok
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2010-05-20 11:39:59
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Dasva 1 Varistor 0

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By Unicorn.Sedres 2010-05-20 12:54:08
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So, back to discussing the uses of Albion...
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-20 12:56:01
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Unicorn.Sedres said:
So, back to discussing the uses of Albion...
Yes
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2010-05-20 12:56:08
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I'm pretty sure that boat has sailed..
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By Bahamut.Lalo 2010-05-20 13:22:03
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Sylph.Biginallways said:
doesn't appear that way satanas lol. Don't remember you from bahamut but you're welcome to come as well. ;)

I can't forget you big, your like 1 out of the 3 galkas or so on the server lol /sarcasm~....
Subduer ftw :)
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-05-20 13:48:34
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Unicorn.Sedres said:
So, back to discussing the uses of Albion...

Wait, what? the topic isnt BLU? oshit...
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By Leviathan.Abriel 2010-05-20 15:07:31
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outside of zergs I've seen drk/drg (myself) gain hate about as fast as any other sub, high jump just doesn't shed enough hate to be as reliable as any dmg mitigation abilities like utsusemi or third eye for survival with real world useage (you're gaining tp faster than /nin, but not as fast as /sam dependent abs-tp timing/strength and hasso juggling).

as for albion v. naglering, not quite so clear-cut for most situations you'd use GS. albion's delay allows for the use of any grip (except sword strap) when /sam with at least rajas for a 7-hit build. naglering requires rose strap (along with rajas) to keep a 6-hit, but also gets a 4 acc/20 atk advantage before any grip benefits that albion might get. albion's higher dmg is roughly 12% over naglering's, but naglering's +atk should be about a 4% increase at ~500 atk (only really effects tp dmg. though, it can effect WS dmg as well, but the difference should be less than ~2% higher than it would w/o the atk). the difference in delay is ~290 giving nag. an ~11.5% advantage (2505 v. 2796)(after first WS). w/o /sam naglering is able to use other straps like albion (except sword to keep their 7/8-hit), but there is only a delay difference of 256 giving it a weaker advantage of ~8.5% (3006 v. 3262)(after first WS).
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