Greatsword Naglering V. Albion

Yeah hammering a few numbers too see what ones better im only 73 DRK and i dont have either just wana know what ones better.



Naglering---------
85 DMG 501 delay +20 ATT

(not doing acc math i have that capped easy...)

501/60 = 8.35(swing delay in seconds) = 13.6 TP% (TP per hit at +0 store tp) 7.35 hits too 100%


58.45 seconds min time till WS 61.37 Max

10 WS in (584 sec)9.76~ min 70.17 hits

Albion----------
93 DMG 466 delay
466/60 = 7.766(swing delay in seconds) =12.3 TP% (TP per hit at +0 store tp) 8.13 hits too 100%


62.08 seconds min time till WS 63.13 Max

10 WS in (620.8 sec)10.34~ min 79.9 hits

summory----------------

in the time you do the 10th with Albion 36.8 seconds into the next 10 WS for naglering have gone by. thats 4.4 hits

meaning in 620.8 sec albion does 10 WS 79.9 hits while Naglering does 10 WS 74.47 hits

i rounded the hit till 100 down too show 7(naglering) and 8(Albion) hit builds


out of this i still am leaning towards Albion going on how it has a 9.1% increase in base damage and tho the WS will happen a bit slower the melee DMG looks to be better.(about 3.5 seconds slower) id think that the base DMG would help WS more than +20 ATT seeing as im told not too stack ATT for spinning slash


Also 8 hit with Albion is cake to get while 7 hit with naglering is much harder id think /sam needed

-Jar

While I understand what you are trying to do, you can't calculate damage that way. You have to consider xhit builds to effectively *** the rate each weapon builds TP.

Nag will WS more often as it will be at least 1 hit less to 100 TP, but Alion will hit quite a bit harder.

Very roughly it will look something like this:

Assuming /SAM nag will be a 6hit and Ablion will be a 7.

So Nag will be +16.7% WS damage due to the one less hit.
Nag has 20 attack which will increase DoT by ~4%

The extra base damage on the Ablion will be ~8% damage on TP and WS.
Ablion swings ~ 7.5% faster.

Assuming 50:50 TP to WS split (maybe wrong here?).

Nag = 2+8 = 10%
Ablion = 4+4+3.5 = 11.5%

So yes the Ablion is the better GS.

i rounded down the values on Nag more than Albion too try and compinsate for the x hit build because i didnt wana find out how too calc it


id like too see when a 6 hit DRK with nalgring would come in use tho.. ;; spinning slash isnt really a pwaa im beast with out /thf on your back I would just slap a scythe on

Spinning slash is pretty awesome against high lvl stuff. /thf or not

GS DRK is only for situations where you don’t have the accuracy to reliably land Guillotine. But that’s a can of worms best left closed.

And /SAM >> /THF in terms of damage no matter what the WS.

A 6hit is 16.7% more WS damage, with proper buffs hasso is ~10-16% global damage. SA and TA are no where near 18-25% increase in global damage.

I would say Albion beats it in situations where you do not need the +20attack or +4accuracy. It is clearly more melee damage provided the attack isnt an issue. It is not high enough to be a new weapon rank however which I assume means it will have the same FSTR cap as naglering? Correct me if I am wrong. Anyways if you're meriting or something Albion is probably the best however I would still favor Naglring for HNM and simliar fights. I personally would never merit with greatsword but that is up to you ultimately.

You are right, fSTR will cap at the same point. But you are unlikely to cap fSTR on any mob where a GS is the ‘right’ weapon.

mind posting why its 16.7% more ws dmg i dont get that ;;

It is high enough for a new weapon rank. Weapon rank= dmg/9. Rounded down of course. So yeah potentially 1 more to base dmg.

And yeah the attack will be much more useful on HNMs then on xp lvl mobs if using spinning slash

I assume he means going from 7 hit to 6 hit for the 16% increase in ws frequency which in turn goes to dmg.

In which case it would really be 20% as the ws is pretty much instant so it's really going from 6 melee hits to 5. Ie 6/5 for your frequency. Or going the other way you could say you going from 5 to 6 and do 5/6 and say going /thf lowers your frequency by 16%.

Same deal with hasso. Increases your attack speed by no less than 10% (well unless you have more slow on then haste tping) so your overall dmg is increased by at least 10%

what Dasva said

im more of a GS drk just for the fact that my guillotine is horrable for some reason.. always doing more DMG with GS in exp partys /war /thf or /nin no /sam didnt see it as usefull and parsing above the drk/sams i pt with every time so never changed my mind into doing real math

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=156654 spinning slash gear

http://www.ffxiah.com/members/?q=item_sets&set_id=156653
scythe multihit

/SAM and /NIN are the only subs you should be using as a 2handed DD.

Guillotine is more reliant on buffs/food than spinning slash as it doesnt get SS's cratio boost.

well i could see many times drk/thf could be of use.. <.<

I much prefer /thf on stuff like Kirin and other Sky Gods. /SAM kinda sucks on those because you'll likely whiff a few times.

Thats because your build for scythe is entirely wrong. Its all Str based, where guillotine mod is only 25% you want to concentrate more on acc and let att food handle the rest.

DRK\SAM is the best combo by far.

You'll allso find that guillotine avarage better in terms of dmg on weaker mobs as long as your gear dont suck.
Make sure to get enough acc in gear so that you can eat meat, or atleast pizza+1.

Getting a SS avarage above 900 was something I found really hard(on colibris), but Guillotine would avarage 1k+ even with my gear, which was far from optimal (retiered DRK).

Using a GS on mobs like this makes the attack-buffs kinda wasted, seeing how SS will cap atk anyways, where scythe would benefit alot from the same buffs.
Allso 6hit vs 7hit unless you have nag or 480delay gs with aurum body and blabla.

Why/when?

The only thing /THF has going for it is TA. A decent tank shouldn't need TA-ing to hold hate.

/SAM will do more damage (see my maths above) and both /SAM and /NIN will make you more survivable.

Edit: this was @ Jar, I got epically ninja'd

sam/sam goooooooooooooooo!!!

But joking aside it's somewhat situational. Sticking to pt situations and not counting odd tanking setups

Sam makes good use of /war /drg and sometimes /thf.

drk uses /drg and /mnk in zergs.

And that's all I can think of.

DRK\DRG to do more dmg before you pull hate on JoL! lol
(OK never tried this but it should work? :P)

I wasn't taking about zergs.

And yes SAM/DRG is good, I forgot about that when posting the above.

Well drk/drg is more for getting closer to the haste cap when using 1handed weapon. Yeah I know its not 2nded but still a generally 2handed DD lol. And again that is pretty much zerg onry

<333333333333 SAM\DRG

At least until sam can cap haste without it anyways... well still good with acc/att bonus and shedding hate with high jump I guess. But loses most it's edge

My point was, /THF and certian /WAR are not optimum for DRK.

THF arguably has some use if your tanks aren't very good, but in that case /nin, bring your PDT gear and tank it yourself.

Jumps are allso awesome to self-sc when sekka isnt up, if that's needed.

@ gennss

lol +47 acc isnt enough acc? <.< not alot more i can stack at 73 other than o hat but thats pointless when i cap acc already with my 7 scythe merits from blm75

other than that cmnt ntohing i havnt heard before

Black Cuisses.

+47 isnt allways enough, no.

Using my DEX.

Tred\sword\xxx\Fire bomblet
Ohat\PCC\Fowling\Brutal
Hauby+1\af+1\blood\rajas
Forager\potent\black cuisses\heca

This is +15DEX and +60 acc, with 292 Scythe skill this give you 94% acc on Greater Colibri.
Aiming for capped acc on those is a good idea, as you then should cap acc on most other things eating pizza+1, or sushi if that's ever needed.

Edit: That was supposed to be edited, not quoted :(