Odin.Blazza said:
It has nothing to do with trying to "virtually suck off SE". You've even agreed with my point, bottom line, alpha testers are alpha testers under the provision that they don't break the NDA. Anyone that breaks the NDA should be banned. You just said that yourself, so why are you attacking me?
The only difference is that I think it would be a good advertisement to other alpha testers to do more than just ban him from the alpha.
Yes, I did watch his stream, but I don't see how that makes me a hypocrite?
If the information is there, I'm going to look, but un-like just about everyone else, I'm not going around saying "*** the NDA" and "*** SE" and begging alpha testers for that information. From what I've seen, the information been released so far from SE officially has been much the same as that of the alpha testers. Pookypoos stream didn't really show much new over the game convention footage a year ago. The only things it did show us that weren't at the game convention are all things that may or may not even make it to commercial release anyway.
I'm just trying to point out that no-one has any right to information. There seems to be this massive common opinion that we have this god given right to all information about FFXIV, and I can't work out where the *** it comes from. SE is a company who's sole purpose is to make money. In order to do that, they're working on an MMO, but to get it to the stage where it can make them as much money as possible, they would have very strict marketing plans in place. Breaking the NDA ruins that plan and potentially damages the companies bottom line. This potential revenue loss will be reflected in the games they produce, as they won't be able to throw as much money at them (to have more developers on each game, to keep each game in development longer to really polish them).
So, when FFXIV turns out to be a steaming pile of ***because all the alpha testers were too busy *** around and breaking the NDA instead of testing, you can blame yourself. When the next FF game also turns out to be ***because the failure that was 14 put the company in debt and they couldn't spend as much money polishing it, you can blame yourself. This is all pretty exaggerated, but it's still a very real scenario.
tl;dr version: It's basic economics, the NDA isn't just there for fun, and should be respected. Even if you had shares in SE, you wouldn't have a right to information that everyone seems to think they have, so STFU and stop asking people to break the NDA.
Except nothing you mentioned here has any merit, none of that will happen, period. I've been a tester and played nearly every major mmo on the market and seen games go through this phase countless times (granted, i've never broken NDA). SE is going to do nothing but keep right on chugging, nothing is going to change because of leaked info, not the amount of money spent, not the amount of time spent, nothing.
You don't know wtf you're talking about here so stop trying to sound like you do.
I don't think anyone has a "right to know" nor am I asking people to break NDA. Never once was either of those things said, you're obviously grabbing for something concrete here and missing entirely.
The point was that it isn't a big deal, not even to SE because as previously stated; NOTHING WILL CHANGE. If you know anything about mmo's (which it's obvious you don't outside of your narrow scope) you'd know that developers fully expect information to be leaked at some point and are prepared to deal with it.
And FYI, complaining about someone breaking NDA while reaping the benefit is like bitching that your significant other stole from a bank while spending the money. So maybe not direct hypocrisy, but you look just as stupid.
Edit: Your supermarket analogy fails, and that's my point, you seem to think it applies to everything the exact same way. The information provided from an alpha test is minimal, and inconsequential, but there are those who would like to know. By breaking NDA you aren't taking profits from a company, as you would by stealing groceries. Nobody is going to change their mind over an alpha build, it's purely informative.
