Evasion+ Vs Evasion SKill +

Oh ***! Go update the Wiki then since you can prove it without a shadow of a doubt. >.>

well I'd hate to post something like that and be wrong... I'm almost 100% certain though and I think I'm probably right was waiting for some feedback. maybe beyond a shadow of a doubt is a little too strong ><;

Maybe it was. Because beyond a shadow of a doubt implies that you have parses proving this. Which you don't and which it wouldn't.

1 Evasion vs a Bunny in E.Ronfaure would be a lot different than 1 Evasion vs Absolute Virtue. There is no logical way you can say 1 Evasion = .5% evade rate.

yes actually there is 1 evasion is .5 evade rate it wouldnt do ***on a bunny because your evasion would be capped. And it would give you .5 evade on absolute vtra unless his acc was past cap on you it will always give you .5 evade rate. please if you do not have a clue what you are saying just dont.

go ahead and download a little something called ffxi calc. or look this ***up on bg forums 1 evasion is .5 evade rate.

and no i once agian take it back i know that ***i said about evasion and agl beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Oh my bad dude. I'll stop posting. →

It actually would be very easy to prove. Go up to various mobs parse how often they miss you and add 1evasion/skill/agi at a time and see what happens. Make sure to get decent sample sizes each time. Compare results

Also I wouldn't assume defensive skills work the same as offensive ones. I mean parrying and shield block are way different lol. And in a sense you'd almost think it might work the opposite...

Until there are actual data parses I wouldn't jump to conclusions by saying the evasion system works exactly like the accuracy system (1 skill = 0.9 over 200, etc)

The magic accuracy system was assumed to work just like accuracy but it was finally proven to be completely different (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Magic_Accuracy) Who knows, maybe the evasion system can be something completely different from both formulas

Dasva also has a good point

Ignore all of the people trying to get half hearted math, to date there are way too many variables and no one has spent the time to parse. (And to even call it an accurate parse, you would have to parse 1,000+ rounds on variable gears, on variable mobs, using a naked elvaan as a control!)
You won't see a difference, tried it.
Get what gives the most, and weigh in the other stats. For instance, the boots that give parry as well as evasion, might be worth your money than dance shoes, yet war gloves might be better than patrician's cuffs.

Theoretically, the reason why EVA skill is better than base EVA:

Level correction function. While 1 EVA skill technically means +0.9 EVA, every 1 level your target goes up, your Evasion gets docked 4 points, but Evasion skill is immune to Level Correction.

What that means is that if you had +50 EVA and +30 skill fighting a LV82 NM, your +50 EVA is more like +22 EVA, whereas your +30 skill still equates to 27 EVA overall.

In summary, EVA skill > EVA if you're fighting mobs higher level than you. And you really shouldn't be using EVA gear in the first place if you're fighting something lower level.

no

Think its safe to say, no one knows how it really works. But you all agree that Eva skill is better than Eva

wut? your total evade rate is what gets docked, not just your evasion. If you're wearing no evasion+ gear and your evade rate is 70% and you gt hit w/ 2 lvs of correlation, your evade rate is going down to 62% just the same as if you built your way up to 70% evade rate on just evasion+ gear you'd get docked the same amount of evade rate.

You all need to stop rating me down for putting good in formation when you have no clue what you are talking about.

Vegetto has the right idea It takes from your total evasion not just evade gear but 2 level penalty is 8 evasion (4% evade rate) so 66 evasion rate not 62%.

I say yet again 2 evasion = 1% evade rate
4 agl = 1% evade rate

I'm not going to go into skill because i cannot be certain.

Now I ask that someone provides something to prove me wrong instead of rating me down when I am putting up solid information.

From my own experience, it completely depends on the mob you are fighting. If I am gathering a bunch of low level mobs on my thf, I will pile the +evasion. If I am farming anything T+, I stack evasion skill. It seems raising your evasion cap for higher level mobs "seems" to work better.

As I stated, this is just from my experience, my opinion. I have no data to back this up.

Well leave your opinion out because I have data to back up what I am saying.

You do? Then why haven't you shared it yet? :o

Damn woo beat me to it ><

You snooze, you lose! <3

im at work now ill elaborate tomorrow when i get off

Yeah, let's see it smartass.

Hmm, I would say, from my own experience, that Evasion skill+ is better, but that would be through my own experience of playing the game in general, not spending hours testing between 1 point differences in AGI, Eva, and Eva skill. I would have to say you should test it out of yourself and come up with an answer, since it's something the general public is still a little hazy with on how it all works out.

Also, I don't know why that guy's all in a knot, but, okay. Whatever floats his boat. Just see for yourself what works for you. ^^

What about before lol? When you could prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt? Unless you've been at work for 24 hours straight...

No, wait, yeah... I have to ask about that, too, Dasva. Although the general populus seems to have a hazy outlook towards all of this evasion blather, why do you, Maxse, seem to bash every other person's idea and opinion as to how it works, and boast yours without the supporting evidence? What do you mean you get off of work 'tomorrow'? Are you an intern that actually has the time and capability to hole up in the staff fridge with a laptop just to press your own opinions without substantial evidence?

Do you have documented experiments or parsing, videos, screenshots, and mathematical equations that've been proven true to back you up? Before you make such wild statements and accuse others of being false, my friend, you should check your own standing and not take such drastic steps without solid ground to stand on.

I am not bashing everyone's opinions for the most part im saying the same thing as Hypnotizd and Veggeto is and hes usually 100% on point and well respected from what ive seen... i just elaborated more than him. Today I plan to do a parse thats why I said wait till tomorrow so just give me a bit ;x.

Yes Was at work for 24 hours(army) that comment was made on my lunch break.
Ill be doing a parse today and post my results when I'm done.

Honestly though I don't why I have to prove anything it's all posted on wiki already as far as evasion and agl goes. Which are the only 2 I was trying to prove. I said I was assuming evasion skill worked same as combat skills.

Hit Rate Shows that 1 acc is .5 hit rate so of course 1 evasion is .5 evade rate.

EvasionShows that 2 agl = 1 evasion.

Going to parse skill soon let me know if there is anything else I missed.

Man it's only reasonable that evasion skill works like weapon type skills. Analogy is the name for that. Many problems are solved and proved thru analogy. There is no reason evasion doesnt work like acc. Actually, if something needs to be proved is the fact that evasion doesn't work like acc. So if no one can prove to me that evasion doesn't work like acc, i'll be here still using my musical + elusive combo on my evasion set.

Btw im not sure what points im making people are disagreeing with unless its all of them. Can you guys tell me what you are questioning so I can show you proof lol.

Completely agree with than but instead of assuming ill check it out shouldn't take too long.

and now that thing about evasion skill not being factored to level correlation is completely crazy. Still applying analogy. ACC from weapon skill still has dues with level correlation, why would evasion skill not? I never heard something like that, and doesn't make any kind of sense.

Maxse was on the mark from his post 1. And everyone should follow those rules until the moment that someone actually proves otherwise.