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 Asura.Azagarth
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By Asura.Azagarth 2017-10-12 01:11:19
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any reason to do D over VD1? i see top end groups just spamming D when id imagine VD cant be much harder and is substantially more per run.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2017-10-12 01:13:38
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The effort:reward ratio

Less work, easier to recover from mistakes, more marks per hour.

Do VD once with seals, but spam D... matter of fact don't do vd at all *shrug*
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By Asura.Azagarth 2017-10-12 01:19:07
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Seeing as you get 7 seals a month? thats 75k hallmarks right there, not much other reason I can see, 7 runs vs like 30 on D if no seal..... or double w/ seals for 14 runs. the vd would literally have to take double the time which im not seeing reported.

Does VD have some gimmick i over saw?
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By clearlyamule 2017-10-12 01:25:24
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Will the second wave spawn if you leave one from the first alive?

I know when I did a fast VE it only made one add, never a second since I didn't kill it, but would that work on other tiers. Or would it just replace the killed ones instead of a full wave.

IE: kill 4/5 > will second wave appear with 5? with 4? or no wave?
The ones that were killed will respawn

and some people might not know how to mitigate the VD drain move and might be sucking up their time
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2017-10-12 01:52:42
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If your group can't handle doing VD then you should stick to D. It's not worth struggling and dying for more points. This month's VD Intense looks much easier than last month's though.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-10-12 02:04:24
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Does anybody have an approximate value of necessary Acc for D and VD?
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By Shiva.Siviard 2017-10-12 13:05:36
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Anyone know how many adds spawn on Vol. 1 Normal? I've looked through the thread and couldn't find anything specific.
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-10-12 13:07:14
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Shiva.Siviard said: »
Anyone know how many adds spawn on Vol. 1 Normal? I've looked through the thread and couldn't find anything specific.

4 spawn on D so I'm guessing subtract 1 for N (in each wave), but I'm not 100% on that.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-10-12 13:10:19
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One on very easy, two on easy, three on normal, four on difficult
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By Shiva.Siviard 2017-10-12 13:36:54
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Yep, 3 is verified. We just did a run on Normal with 5.

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By Sammeh 2017-10-12 13:54:26
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Does anybody have an approximate value of necessary Acc for D and VD?

I was trying to determine feasability of sleeps (before was documented). I went into VD as bard/sch solo. Ended up with trusts meleeing it to 80% before adds popped and killed me.

Below 1400 acc it felt as if I could barely touch it. I want to say I was around 1420ish before I got an acceptable (not capped though) acc hit rate.

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By Asura.Sechs 2017-10-12 13:56:05
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Thanks Sammeh. I assume you mean for VD? Because 1420ish for D sounds a bit too high.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-10-12 14:38:47
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The difference between 1400 and 1420 acc is 10% hit rate, which isn't distinguishable by eyeballs unless your at 5% to start with. D is probably around 1300~1350 because it actually changes, the second wave of adds have considerably more evasion then the first.
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By Sylph.Dravidian 2017-10-12 14:44:34
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Sounds like it would be 10% distinguishable.
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By geigei 2017-10-12 15:23:23
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Vd i was hitting fine with 1450acc which is midacc set.
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By Carbuncle.Papesse 2017-10-12 16:12:56
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D
Bigwig / Astrologer : 1305
Tormenter : 1233

VD
Bigwig / Astrologer : 1456
Tormenter : 1384

Source: http://vanafratello.seesaa.net/article/454097744.html
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By Shiva.Siviard 2017-10-12 16:35:26
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Tali'ah set bonus DOES NOT apply to pets. It's master only.

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By DirectX 2017-10-12 17:41:47
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geigei said: »
Vd i was hitting fine with 1450acc which is midacc set.
How do you even get that kind of accuracy?
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By zaxtiss 2017-10-12 17:52:16
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i'd guess he's on blu and has more acc trait spells set.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-10-12 18:55:59
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DirectX said: »
geigei said: »
Vd i was hitting fine with 1450acc which is midacc set.
How do you even get that kind of accuracy?
That's not that much accuracy at all if he has any acc buffs, and not unreachable with just gear/food, either. My DRK's highest ACC set has about 1475 acc with only sushi.
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By clearlyamule 2017-10-12 19:19:35
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Odin.Geriond said: »
DirectX said: »
geigei said: »
Vd i was hitting fine with 1450acc which is midacc set.
How do you even get that kind of accuracy?
That's not that much accuracy at all if he has any acc buffs, and not unreachable with just gear/food, either. My DRK's highest ACC set has about 1475 acc with only sushi.
It's certainly reachable just kind of a lot to call midacc unless you assume a lot of buffs
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-10-12 19:58:10
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That's about what my standard mid acc set (no relic weapon) hits with just a good Madrigal and Sushi (~1240 base, ~105 from sushi, ~100-110 from Madrigal), and I'm a DRK.

My gear is admittedly very solid, but I'm sure it's doesn't need as much for jobs with better acc gifts or traits.
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By Bahamut.Lexouritis 2017-10-13 01:07:30
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Asura.Azagarth said: »
any reason to do D over VD1? i see top end groups just spamming D when id imagine VD cant be much harder and is substantially more per run.

VD all day everyday if u can clear in 10mins
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By DirectX 2017-10-13 01:15:37
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Oh, I assumed he meant pre-food and buffs, just in gear.
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By geigei 2017-10-13 01:44:45
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DirectX said: »
geigei said: »
Vd i was hitting fine with 1450acc which is midacc set.
How do you even get that kind of accuracy?

1247 base acc in midacc is pretty standard for blu's, only nature's set as acc trait. Rest from buffs/food. Trying to hit in lowacc 1149 base is huge loss in dps.
Can reach that with base but why bother when support jobs exits.
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