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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-28 20:20:22
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Deep background:

I am a lifelong recreational drug user. I had Physician's Desk References as a household item starting in 1960. When I was 16. I had a connection who was a fricking licensed pharmacist. I could literally order anything I wanted from it.

"Ohhh that's a pretty pill, what does it do?" /checks overdose effects and contraindications.

I have had my share of drugs, yours too, and probably your parent's as well.

But I have had lifelong standards. If it involves needles it IS NOT recreational. And if it is medicine why aren't you getting better?

IMHO... OK maybe not so not humble, our current opioid epidemic is caused by the pharmaceutical industry.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-28 20:24:42
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I am a lifelong recreational drug user.
That explains a lot.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-28 20:26:23
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Amid opioid epidemic, rules for drug companies are loosened
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When it comes to combating the nation’s opioid epidemic, politicians of all stripes say they are fully committed.

President Obama wants to spend a billion dollars on new treatment programs. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump talk about the ravages of addiction and the need for solutions. And Congress earlier this month passed a package of legislation to prevent overdoses, bolster law enforcement and improve recovery programs.

But this spring, with little attention and virtually no public opposition, lawmakers approved and the president signed a new law that makes it more difficult for government to take action against a key player in the crisis: the pharmaceutical industry.

The law allows companies accused of failing to report suspicious orders of dangerous drugs to submit a “corrective action plan” to persuade the Drug Enforcement Administration to postpone or abandon proceedings against them. The law also raises the bar for the DEA to temporarily suspend their licenses.

The measure was backed by manufacturers, wholesalers and pharmacy chains, including some targeted by the DEA in recent years for not doing enough to keep drugs from addicts and drug dealers.

Supporters maintain that the law, the Ensuring Patient Access and Effective Drug Enforcement Act of 2016, keeps medication available for legitimate patients and will encourage cooperation between industry and law enforcement.

Critics say it takes pressure off companies to detect and report drugs flowing to the black market. The top DEA official for regulation of pharmaceutical firms left the agency last fall, in part, he said, because of a bitter dispute with members of Congress over his view that the bill was misguided and would worsen the epidemic.

“They are taking the word of industry rather than the government’s expert in diversion control,” said Joseph Rannazzisi, who stepped down in October after nearly a decade as DEA deputy assistant administrator.

A Los Angeles Times investigation published earlier this month revealed that drug maker Purdue Pharma, which has reaped more than $31 billion from the painkiller OxyContin, collected extensive evidence suggesting illegal trafficking of its drug and, in many cases, did not share the information with law enforcement or cut off the flow of pills.

A Times Investigation: More than 1 million OxyContin pills ended up in the hands of criminals and addicts. What the drugmaker knew »

One drug ring that Purdue monitored was operating for several years in the district of Rep. Judy Chu (D-Monterey Park). Chu co-sponsored the bill in the House. She has received more than $31,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

A spokesman said Chu was unavailable for an interview. In a statement, she said she was “deeply concerned about the lack of reporting by Purdue,” but believed the new law “would result in the guidance needed to end the prescription drug epidemic.”

More than 194,000 people have died since 1999 from overdoses involving opioid painkillers, and abuse of the drugs has contributed to a national resurgence in addiction to heroin, another opiate.

The new law does not alter the agency’s ability to pursue criminal charges or civil penalties. But it provides a way for companies to try to avoid the DEA’s administrative penalties, which can include the loss or suspension of a federal license, known as a registration, that allows them to make, sell or dispense controlled substances.

The push for a new law followed action the DEA took in 2012 against a major national wholesaler, Cardinal Health Inc., over millions of painkillers supplied to two CVS pharmacies in Sanford, Fla. Data showed enough pills flowing to the small city for every man, woman and child to have 59 doses, according to court records. One CVS pharmacist described her oxycodone customers as “shady” and told DEA agents she had to set a daily limit on opioid prescriptions to ensure there would be enough for “real pain patients,” the records stated.

The DEA accused Cardinal and CVS of failing to maintain “effective controls” against diversion as required by the federal Controlled Substances Act. Cardinal was banned from shipping prescription drugs from a Florida facility for two years and CVS paid a $22-million settlement.

In the wake of the investigation, Cardinal and CVS, along with many others in the industry, began lobbying for the new law, which changes parts of the Controlled Substances Act. It allows companies accused of violations to submit a corrective action plan that addresses the DEA allegations before the DEA decides on any enforcement action. Federal officials must consider the plan in deciding whether to move forward with enforcement action or stop or postpone it.

Under the new law, companies have little incentive to take steps to prevent abuse of their drug — unless and until the DEA accuses them of violating the law, said Carmen Catizone, executive director of the National Assn. of Boards of Pharmacy.

“Our concern at this point is we have 40 people a day dying of opioid abuse,” he said “We think the bill goes way too far.”

D. Linden Barber, a former DEA lawyer who now represents manufacturers and wholesalers, said the law still gives the DEA the option of revoking a company’s license.

“The law doesn’t require the agency to say, OK, I’m walking away. It just says, consider it,” he said.

Another part of the law imposes a higher standard for suspending licenses temporarily while awaiting court approval. Previously, the DEA could shut companies, pharmacies and doctors down if it determined there was an “imminent danger” to the public. The new law defines that danger as a “substantial likelihood of an immediate threat” of death, serious bodily harm or drug abuse.

Former DEA official Rannazzisi said the change offered “total protection” against temporary suspension for manufacturers and wholesalers. It often takes weeks for drugs to get through the supply chain from manufacturer to distributor to pharmacy, making it difficult for the DEA to argue that a failure by those companies to report and reject suspicious orders constituted an immediate threat, he said.

Barber, the industry lawyer, said the change prevented the agency from shutting down companies for problems employees had already identified and fixed, something he said has occurred in the past.

“The fact that someone did something wrong, realized it was wrong, took action to correct it — that doesn’t give the agency the right to come in four to six months later and seek a suspension,” he said.

The bill encountered little resistance in either the House or the Senate, and at hearings on the legislation, some lawmakers criticized the DEA for being overly aggressive with drug companies. At hearings in 2014, Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Texas) accused the DEA of “bullying, aggressive and narrow-minded tactics” and Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.) told the head of the DEA to “seek collaboration with legitimate companies that want to do the right thing.”

A Times Investigation: How black-market OxyContin spurred a town's descent into crime, addiction and heartbreak »

“Big fines make headlines, but that is all they do: Press releases do not save lives,” Marino said.

One current DEA official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the agency did not consider the new law necessary, but recognized it had strong political support and did not oppose it publicly.

Behind closed doors, discussions between congressional staffers and Rannazzisi about the proposed law became so heated that Marino and another sponsor of the bill sent a letter to the Justice Department asking for an investigation into what they alleged was an “attempt to intimidate the United States Congress.”

Rannazzisi said he merely was expressing his concerns about the bill’s impact.

“I said, ‘Well, there’s thousands of people dying of opioid overdoses and we’re investigating people and this bill is going to provide protection for the people we are investigating,’” he said. “I don’t know how they felt that was a threat.”

Marino, who has received $136,000 in campaign contributions from the pharmaceutical industry since 2011, declined to be interviewed. In a statement, he said the law doesn’t impede the DEA’s enforcement ability.

“Rather, it forces the DEA to focus on bad actors, collaborate for better diversion control results and allows patients — often suffering from cancer — to access medication they need without delay,” he said.

Several registrants accused of violating the Controlled Substances Act have already submitted corrective action plans, according to testimony at a June Senate hearing.
Isn't remarkable what "campaign contributions" can buy?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-28 20:27:56
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
I am a lifelong recreational drug user.
That explains a lot.
You have NO idea.

LSD removes blinders. I would recommend it but I would NEVER trust today's sources.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-28 20:35:02
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The War on Drugs is a illusion to mask the biggest drug cartel eliminating it's competition seeking the same blood money profits that destroyed countless lives world wide.

Who is the biggest drug cartel in the world ?

It resides in the Capitol of the United States of America. The two families are the Democrat and Republican parties operating the federal government agencies as their strong arm like the FBI,CIA,DEA and many other narco agencies.

They have a monopoly over the food and drug administration as well as access of our nation's borders. Which has allowed deadly products to be consumed by citizens without proper test results. This also has allowed over a hundred billion dollars worth of Illegal drugs a year enter the 50 states of America from world wide.

This blood money has made the federal cartel politicians rich with kick backs for keeping the operation running since the 1960s at the cost of US families lives , US workers careers, breaking up countless US homes. It has reached every town and city of the United States.

You may be thinking "well what can be done ? If it's been going on so long it doesn't seem like it will ever end. Your just a tin foil hat crazy talking nonsense this is not true".

We can fight this and win. To do this we need to fight with our votes and our money. We can as a nation refuse to pay our taxes. There is no way possible for the US government to jail almost 400 million people. We can call the US government defunct in neglect of its purpose to protect and uphold our rights. We can demand re-elections.

We can stop voting for the Democrat and Republican parties.

We can restore the world's most powerful nation that has been creating imbalance and chaos around the world.

You can help they fear individuals who speak out. We are many and we are ONE.

GOD BLESS the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America it shall be restored.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-28 20:46:46
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Let me guess, the Federal Reserve also funnels the money and is part of the US Government Drug Cartel?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-28 20:58:47
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Its LG King.

He has one or two bits right but draws the wrong conclusions.

I mean 19th century British opium wars he is spot on. Not totally incorrect about Viet Nam era CIA heroin trafficking or CIA cocaine trafficking through slick Willy's Arkansas. But he isn't talking about then.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-28 21:04:39
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I absolutely am chanit, because both political parties were in power who approved shipping over from world wide.

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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-28 21:13:36
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To the surprise of many, the American Medical Association is now openly calling for the FDA to ban direct-to-consumer drug advertising, a deceptive marketing channel that was only legalized by the FDA in 1997.

Since then, drug prices have skyrocketed, health care costs have hit the stratosphere, and consumers are asking their doctors for an increasingly bewildering array of high-priced patented chemicals (medications) that, for the most part, don't even work on most people.

Instead of America's health getting better, it's getting WORSE. More people now suffer from not just chronic degenerative disease, but also now the side effects of taking dangerous prescription medications to supposedly treat those diseases.

The result is that America has become the most expensive, corrupted and unethical health care system in the world, where Big Pharma profits drive nearly every regulatory decision and political action.

Now, the AMA says it's time to stop the insanity of advertising prescription drugs on television, and there's no doubt the AMA is correct on this point.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-07-28 21:18:00
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I have always wondered what Quaaludes are like.

Sadly, I will never know.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-07-28 21:20:19
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I'm don't have all of your threads, Chanti, but you need to be extra careful about what they might spawn. The more YouTube videos on page 1, the more you've failed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-28 21:20:50
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
I mean 19th century British opium wars he is spot on. Not totally incorrect about Viet Nam era CIA heroin trafficking or CIA cocaine trafficking through slick Willy's Arkansas. But he isn't talking about then.
Sure, there's going to be corruption in government everywhere.

I'm sure every government has had some issues with drugs.

But this is beyond silly....
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-07-28 21:21:11
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*hate, not have.... /sigh
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-28 21:22:41
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-07-28 21:40:37
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I'd hate to fight a war on drugs.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-28 22:09:19
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Hollywood has been making money helping glorify Drugs by making movies on them throughout the years to encourage generations to keep the drug business alive. It's disturbing how effective the propaganda and meds have left Americans deaf dumb and blind to what's being done to them.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-28 22:55:01
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
To the surprise of many, the American Medical Association is now openly calling for the FDA to ban direct-to-consumer drug advertising, a deceptive marketing channel that was only legalized by the FDA in 1997.

Since then, drug prices have skyrocketed, health care costs have hit the stratosphere, and consumers are asking their doctors for an increasingly bewildering array of high-priced patented chemicals (medications) that, for the most part, don't even work on most people.

Instead of America's health getting better, it's getting WORSE. More people now suffer from not just chronic degenerative disease, but also now the side effects of taking dangerous prescription medications to supposedly treat those diseases.

The result is that America has become the most expensive, corrupted and unethical health care system in the world, where Big Pharma profits drive nearly every regulatory decision and political action.

Now, the AMA says it's time to stop the insanity of advertising prescription drugs on television, and there's no doubt the AMA is correct on this point.
****. LG is being rational for once.

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO???!!!???
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-29 00:37:54
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I have always been rational chanti it's majority of the ones who are conditioned that everything is perfect and nothing needs to change that call me crazy and too extreme that are irrational I'm talking with people Addicted to big corrupt government . In a system this crazy you have to be crazy to fight it. I'm going to change it and give this country back to the citizens.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-07-29 00:50:50
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I never liked the line of thought that popping pills for recreation is any better than needles.

The method of delivery doesn't matter and source has little bearing other than purity/quality standards.

Just seems hypocritical to me.

Prescriptions and marijuana can destroy lives and families same as hardcore drugs.

Hell, same as MMOs =p.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-29 01:41:12
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Omnys well said !

Hello everyone my Name is Lordgrim and I am addicted to ffxi created by a pusher named Square Enix.
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
I would recommend it but I would NEVER trust today's sources.

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By Asura.Thorva 2016-07-29 02:34:13
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
More than 194,000 people have died since 1999 from overdoses involving opioid painkillers, and abuse of the drugs has contributed to a national resurgence in addiction to heroin, another opiate.



All drug abuse combined falls way low on the list of deaths per year, talking like 0.15% of deaths per year, alcohol disorders being 0.16%

Hell asthma kills 0.42% people per year. Diarrhea is responsible for 3.15% of the deaths.

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President Obama wants to spend a billion dollars on new treatment programs.
I feel like that money can go to better use.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-29 09:29:12
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
I have always been rational
And there we go, back to crazy talk.
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By fonewear 2016-07-29 09:29:55
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Deep background:

I am a lifelong recreational drug user. I had Physician's Desk References as a household item starting in 1960. When I was 16. I had a connection who was a fricking licensed pharmacist. I could literally order anything I wanted from it.

"Ohhh that's a pretty pill, what does it do?" /checks overdose effects and contraindications.

I have had my share of drugs, yours too, and probably your parent's as well.

But I have had lifelong standards. If it involves needles it IS NOT recreational. And if it is medicine why aren't you getting better?

IMHO... OK maybe not so not humble, our current opioid epidemic is caused by the pharmaceutical industry.

Now it all makes sense !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-29 09:32:27
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I already did that joke.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I already did that joke.

I see and credit was given.
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By fonewear 2016-07-29 09:33:31
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Hmm reading this thread makes me feel like I"m on drugs...so I guess that is something.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-07-29 11:03:31
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Hello everyone my Name is Lordgrim and I am addicted to ffxi created by a pusher named Square Enix.

I know I click right past that intro-warning. Muscle memory, I don't even see it. I was helping a friend via remote-desktop the other day and he did the same thing while launching FFXI.

How many people hang around these forums years after they've stopped playing? FFXIAH has little room to criticize anyone's type of addiction, lol.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2016-07-29 11:04:24
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But yeah, back on topic..

Meth took someone very dear from me and the thing is, that person had prior-known meth users and I have and I think most meth users have known users before they started meth. Who looks at a meth user and thinks... I wanna be just like that! Paranoid, distrusting, spiteful, irresponsible.

I don't care how good the first hit is, I'm not at all interested in finding out knowing what the rest of the journey is like.

I haven't had the same exposure to heroin users. I have known a few coke users but that's it for hardcore drugs.
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