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Reisenjima HELM NMs - Your own tier list!
By Verda 2016-05-23 16:30:01
Japanese Strat for Vini is wipeless. I've never intentionally wiped for Vini. I don't quite understand the reason for the wipe for Vini. Albumen sure. but Vini. *Shrugs*
It was to get around Astral Flow is what I was told, and to get sleep timers long again or something :> If you are able to kill it before that stage it is wipeless though. Stunning it all the time something that seems good to try because it being in the wrong stance too much usually what makes it take a long time. Also didn't mean our ls's gear more that the longer the Reisenjima aug system is around the more people will start getting rare augs it's a system that takes a lot of time to reach it's potential.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-05-23 16:39:38
Japanese Strat for Vini is wipeless. I've never intentionally wiped for Vini. I don't quite understand the reason for the wipe for Vini. Albumen sure. but Vini. *Shrugs*
It was to get around Astral Flow is what I was told, and to get sleep timers long again or something :> If you are able to kill it before that stage it is wipeless though. Stunning it all the time something that seems good to try because it being in the wrong stance too much usually what makes it take a long time. Also didn't mean our ls's gear more that the longer the Reisenjima aug system is around the more people will start getting rare augs it's a system that takes a lot of time to reach it's potential. Nah, Japanese strat is no way a long fight, it's dead in 7 minuites every time. It's just keeping the tank alive really because of the Attack+ that starts building.
You can do the whole fight without issues on sleep timers without a doubt because by the time you get to 49% your stuffs up. Plus we bring a Cor for the BRD, so we have super revit & WIldcard, from pop thats 3 sets of sleep, which is exactly what you need for the whole fight if you can get it down that fast.
I have not only a video from spawn of it being done that fast, but also one from today that was basically flawless fight. On my twitch stream.
I also have video of Zerde without adds too. Which was interesting. If anyone wants to see that.
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-05-23 16:47:01
Vinipata has been our hardest due to the physical damage he can put out and the stance ***. I agree with Albumen, if BRD and BLM are good, he's kinda an easy fight (need to pay attention for the buff you have to dispel else he levels up, and at low % WHM really needs to be fast on PLD)
As for Vinipata I said it many times already but I'll say it again: You can force the right stance by placing 4 debuffs on him.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-05-23 20:22:59
The only reason why i hate vini is Japanese strat means the WHM is always in the AoE Range. But today.
I diddn't die 10000 times.
I did it. What? Why? Really? I've never been in range, I get hit by the stupid knockback and run back but that's it. Japanese strat so mean to whms ;;;;; Lol I dont so much mind it. it's manageable even with weakness at least.
I Still HATE how again people are saying even here that Schah is a wipe with Bannaret Charge. All of my Schah Wins have been fights where it has used Bannaret Charge. I've solo healed a RUN and he survived Bannaret Charge. Just good timing on a WHM and it IS survivable.
yes, yes and YEESSSSSSSS. Seriously, how hard is it to check the log and precure it, not hard at all. Same with the obvious ST20, you get stunned? Sacrifice + heal the tank when you get unstunned.
There is this guy on our server convinced that we stun bot through that stuffs, like no, I just heal it, thats it.
We don't take a white mage to anything but Zerde. Don't need one on any of the others.
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By Asura.Krystela 2016-05-23 20:51:08
Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia said: »The only reason why i hate vini is Japanese strat means the WHM is always in the AoE Range. But today.
I diddn't die 10000 times.
I did it. What? Why? Really? I've never been in range, I get hit by the stupid knockback and run back but that's it. Japanese strat so mean to whms ;;;;; Lol I dont so much mind it. it's manageable even with weakness at least.
I Still HATE how again people are saying even here that Schah is a wipe with Bannaret Charge. All of my Schah Wins have been fights where it has used Bannaret Charge. I've solo healed a RUN and he survived Bannaret Charge. Just good timing on a WHM and it IS survivable.
yes, yes and YEESSSSSSSS. Seriously, how hard is it to check the log and precure it, not hard at all. Same with the obvious ST20, you get stunned? Sacrifice + heal the tank when you get unstunned.
There is this guy on our server convinced that we stun bot through that stuffs, like no, I just heal it, thats it.
We don't take a white mage to anything but Zerde. Don't need one on any of the others. Cool, Zerde don't need a whm either, it's basically perma stunned for 2 mins (aka the entire fight).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-05-24 00:27:45
Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia said: »The only reason why i hate vini is Japanese strat means the WHM is always in the AoE Range. But today.
I diddn't die 10000 times.
I did it. What? Why? Really? I've never been in range, I get hit by the stupid knockback and run back but that's it. Japanese strat so mean to whms ;;;;; Lol I dont so much mind it. it's manageable even with weakness at least.
I Still HATE how again people are saying even here that Schah is a wipe with Bannaret Charge. All of my Schah Wins have been fights where it has used Bannaret Charge. I've solo healed a RUN and he survived Bannaret Charge. Just good timing on a WHM and it IS survivable.
yes, yes and YEESSSSSSSS. Seriously, how hard is it to check the log and precure it, not hard at all. Same with the obvious ST20, you get stunned? Sacrifice + heal the tank when you get unstunned.
There is this guy on our server convinced that we stun bot through that stuffs, like no, I just heal it, thats it.
We don't take a white mage to anything but Zerde. Don't need one on any of the others. Cool, Zerde don't need a whm either, it's basically perma stunned for 2 mins (aka the entire fight).
Look at this man/lady with his/her competent stunners! Psh. If anything aside from the opening Deserts gets stunned, it's a goddamn miracle.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-05-24 00:44:43
What is this cheap jp strat for vini? I guess we skipped our homework. We have been doing it the self-torture way all this time.
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By Fenrir.Caiir 2016-05-24 01:10:59
Vinipata can wreck you or its a joke.
Albumen, Onychophora, and Schah -- to a lesser extent -- scale pretty quickly with involved player attention span.
Zerde and Erynis are LOL xD tier.
Conclusion: Claiming Fafnir without a bot remains the hardest content
By Ruaumoko 2016-05-24 01:39:01
Very interested to see how PUP can tank Schah and deal with his adds.
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By Fenrir.Caiir 2016-05-24 01:52:08
PLD pops mob, PUP tanks Schah, adds go to PLD.
Much wowe
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By Ruaumoko 2016-05-24 02:27:08
That would work but we're quite fond of using two RUN as tanks.
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By Asura.Krystela 2016-05-24 02:42:44
Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia said: »
Look at this man/lady with his/her competent stunners! Psh. If anything aside from the opening Deserts gets stunned, it's a goddamn miracle.
I can't deny it, I do have a very competent stunner :)
Actually, everyone in my group is very competent.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-05-24 02:55:40
I can only confirm one thing about Schah.
Oranyan doesnt exist. its only drop is Takoba. Garanteed drop 2 of them.
*thumbs up*
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By Verda 2016-05-24 07:25:57
I know you're joking but two of us got it in our personal spoils last weekend.
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-05-24 07:46:13
I can only confirm one thing about Schah.
Oranyan doesnt exist. its only drop is Takoba. Garanteed drop 2 of them.
*thumbs up* Out of our 3 kills only of Schah we received:
First kill => 2x Takoba
Second kill => Oranyan + Takoba
Third kill => 2x Takoba
xD
Won Oranyan lot! Then people pressured to swap jobs as fast as possible to do next NMs, and I got warped out before Oranyan dropped in my inventory (Cicion won it in my place).
I can only thank people who do not pass loot!
(and my lack of attention, but it was my first Schah win, I was pretty excited!)
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-05-24 07:55:09
D:
I've killed Schah 3 times and every time it was x2 Takoba. Nothing in personal pool.
>:
Im jelly that you even saw one drop.
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-05-24 08:08:24
I demand Cobbs' group to invite me on their next Schah kill and let me lot the Oranyan meant for Cicion!
Then and only then shall the Universe finally find balance again.
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By Asura.Cyleena 2016-05-24 12:46:06
I demand Cobbs' group to invite me on their next Schah kill and let me lot the Oranyan meant for Cicion!
Then and only then shall the Universe finally find balance again.
That day was pretty funny Sechs. Silly galka.
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-05-24 18:10:30
Totally wasn't for me ;_;
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By Asura.Cyleena 2016-05-24 19:10:19
Totally wasn't for me ;_;
I feel bad for you but I feel even worse for Cici cause you will never let him forget what happened. :P :P :P Oh never a dull moment in TLOU. lol <3
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By Asura.Krystela 2016-05-25 02:37:30
I demand Cobbs' group to invite me on their next Schah kill and let me lot the Oranyan meant for Cicion!
Then and only then shall the Universe finally find balance again. Hahahaha we keep getting those staffs, we are running out of people to hold them :p
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By Asura.Orangebear 2016-05-25 08:34:34
Is anyone able to confirm the level of gear required for the PUP to tank?
I personally have never unlocked PUP, so understand literally nothing about the job... however, we've had one of our members recently level PUP on his main and alt, and I wonder how much work would be needed to get it to a point where it can tank HELM?
Also, could anyone be so kind as to provide details on the JP strats that are being referred to?
Thank you :) :) :)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-05-25 09:03:35
Is anyone able to confirm the level of gear required for the PUP to tank?
I personally have never unlocked PUP, so understand literally nothing about the job... however, we've had one of our members recently level PUP on his main and alt, and I wonder how much work would be needed to get it to a point where it can tank HELM?
Also, could anyone be so kind as to provide details on the JP strats that are being referred to?
Thank you :) :) :)
Get 1200 JP. Get the full set of NQ Rao or Taeon(Excluding head) with DT4%, regen 3, def or m.eva. Anwig Salade(10%DT), H2H with 5% DT is preferred, but 3% is fine. Thurandraut Ring, Rimeice Earring, Isa Belt. That's it.
Anything else helps, but you don't HAVE to have it. Just carry some dawns if you have to.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-05-27 09:39:58
On the topic of Reisenjima T4s. I've been streaming this set of clears. I will be archiving the whole lot on Twitch and youtube. All of them are the Japanese styled variants on all the HELMs.
Currently archieved if Vini Zerde the worm Teles. Today i will be archiving Eriyns Schah and maybe Albumen (Dependent if i get the kill today).
They should all be on My twitch profile atm if you want to trawl through the streams. Youtube links soon.
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By Asura.Echandra 2016-05-27 10:34:22
Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia said: »
Look at this man/lady with his/her competent stunners! Psh. If anything aside from the opening Deserts gets stunned, it's a goddamn miracle.
I can't deny it, I do have a very competent stunner :)
Actually, everyone in my group is very competent.
/allkindsofdoubt but I guess we still get the job done =/
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By Asura.Krystela 2016-05-27 18:44:56
Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia said: »
Look at this man/lady with his/her competent stunners! Psh. If anything aside from the opening Deserts gets stunned, it's a goddamn miracle.
I can't deny it, I do have a very competent stunner :)
Actually, everyone in my group is very competent.
/allkindsofdoubt but I guess we still get the job done =/ Hey, stop bringing yourself down, you are freaking awesome <3
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By Asura.Echandra 2016-05-27 19:27:20
yeah I wasn't talking about myself!
As for me, I actually hate Erinyes the most...because my thief is so sad.
But for sake of topic Shah is my only pain in the butt for T4, because once the dynamics are down, it's all really a joke >_<
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By Asura.Bratgurl 2017-02-28 08:04:38
Yeah, necrobump, but lets see how this list stacks now with the new changes SE has so beautifully given us.
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2017-02-28 11:25:15
@Brat I sense sarcasm but these changes (from a DD perspective) made the mobs about 10 times easier to hit, so damage goes way up. DDs just need to turtle up stuff is so much easier now.
By Boshi 2017-02-28 11:30:29
Geo vex being nerfed and Stun unable to land most certainly did not make them so much easier now.
Besides why bother you hate aeonic weapons.
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Long time ago some JP guy posted a "tier list" for HELM NM difficulty and it was something like Schah > Erynis > Teles > Albumen >>>> Vinipata > Onychophora > Zerde.
After killing each NM at least 3 times (and many other failed attempts) my personal tier list is the following:
Onychophora > Vinipata > Schah > Teles > Albumen > Erynis > Zerde
My personal reasoning under spoiler. What's your tier list?
Onychophora has a somewhat high degree of randomness (stuff players can't control) compared to other NMs. Need to be watchful of the TP moves, of the casting, of the fire mode, need to do LV1 SCs only, need to do 5 different ones in a sequence, etc etc. I dunno, I find it the most annoying of the bunch.
Vinipata is easier since when we started using Albumen's strat (BRD+Breakga) on adds, but he's still annoying with his 2 stances, the 4th move to stun, and overall his damage is pretty high, definitely my second most hated.
Schah/Teles/Albumen are kinda close together, hard to set who comes first. Tempted to put Teles in front of Schah.
Albumen is very easy if you have a good BRD/BLM taking care of adds, but the hp down debuff can be dangerous at lower %, plus need to be very watchful/fast with the dispel thing.
Schah is, dunno, doesn't seem such a big deal? It's arguably hard at start but it gets easier and easier over time. With good practice and a good group it's not that bad? Maybe we've just been lucky I dunno, only killed it 4 times. (and 6 attempts iir?)
Teles instead ungh, it's not hard but let's say there's a lot of stuff you need to pay attention to. Its SP use, moves to stun, moves to get out of range from etc.
Erynis is incredibly easy (and boring) with the THF/SMN strategy, but putting Zerde last (even if it's arguably "harder" than Erynis) simply because it's a very fast fight, wether you win or wipe it's a few mins, making it less time consuming and hence easier to me.
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