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By Rooks 2016-03-28 10:27:42
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Hi!

So, at some point this week, the March FFXIAH patch will hit, and with it are going to be some changes to the Politics and Religion section. I've given it a lot of thought, and consulted both the moderators and some of the heavier posters, for what I think is a viable and sustainable model to keep this section flowing while still maintaining a sense of order. If you have questions or concerns, ask them here.

Below is the node that will serve as the new top post in Random Politics and Religion - it's the changes, followed by the original top post from Random Politics and Religion, as a reminder.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:30:16
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With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?
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By Rooks 2016-03-28 10:31:45
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Rooks said: »
With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?

Cake, what kind of liberal scum says pie
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-28 10:32:05
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FFXIAH patches take as long as FFXIV patches it seems.
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By Rooks 2016-03-28 10:32:53
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
FFXIAH patches take as long as FFXIV patches it seems.

Words hurt, you know
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:33:23
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Rooks said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Rooks said: »
With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?

Cake, what kind of liberal scum says pie
The Un-American kind, of course!
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-03-28 10:33:48
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Rooks said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Rooks said: »
With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?

Cake, what kind of liberal scum says pie
I like pie.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:34:20
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Liberal Scum!

Mod Edit - AnnaMolly:

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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By Bloodrose 2016-03-28 10:35:28
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Rooks said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Rooks said: »
With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?

Cake, what kind of liberal scum says pie
Random PnR Cake: Chocolate, or Carrot cake?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:38:12
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Help! I'm being oppressed!

Also, on topic: On the infighting clause, when you lay down the hammer, does it hit the one who's the most troublesome or does it hit both parties?
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By Jetackuu 2016-03-28 10:39:26
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Rooks said: »
The "edit" function will no longer work in the P&R section.

Those edits got on your nerves that much?

I'm impressed. Personally I think a post "history" would be a better resolution, although much more difficult I'm certain, if even reasonably feasible.


Also, ha girlboy made you post "Benghazi."
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-03-28 10:40:20
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I never eat desert but if I did cake would win.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:41:55
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Jetackuu said: »
Those edits got on your nerves that much?

I'm impressed. Personally I think a post "history" would be a better resolution, although much more difficult I'm certain, if even reasonably feasible.
I believe he wants people to "think before they speak" instead of rambling on without a thought in the world. Which happens pretty often.

It sucks for me because I like to make additional comments after I give my post some thought.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-28 10:42:15
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Who doesn't like pecan pie?
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-03-28 10:42:24
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Help! I'm being oppressed!

Also, on topic: On the infighting clause, when you lay down the hammer, does it hit the one who's the most troublesome or does it hit both parties?
Both, as far as I know. RP&R will be remade twice a month or every 100 pages so topic bans will expire when that happens.
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By Rooks 2016-03-28 10:43:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Help! I'm being oppressed!

Also, on topic: On the infighting clause, when you lay down the hammer, does it hit the one who's the most troublesome or does it hit both parties?

The point of it was because there's a number of long-running fights that aren't real clear who started it; so it's very much a "I don't care who started it" sort of deal. For example:

A: Martin O'Malley is the leader we need in these troubling times
B: A, your idiocy is matched only by your lack of hygiene
A: Blow me, B

then both go sit on ice for a while. Without A's retort, just B gets sent to the penalty box. Makes sense? The idea is to prevent the endless escalation, and make the punishment for even starting that kind of thing so clear that it acts as a deterrent.

(I know there will still be infighting. I am not that naive.)
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-28 10:43:10
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Why not just make a "post was edited at x:x" appear like many other forums do?

Either way there is a very specific part of what was said that I firmly believe doesn't work, but whatever. Not like the section is going to change much since the topics are the same delicate ones.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:44:05
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Who doesn't like pecan pie?
I don't....

Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Help! I'm being oppressed!

Also, on topic: On the infighting clause, when you lay down the hammer, does it hit the one who's the most troublesome or does it hit both parties?
Both, as far as I know. RP&R will be remade twice a month or every 100 pages so topic bans will expire when that happens.
Good. It seems like too many people in P&R bait other people into arguments and never seem to get punished for it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-03-28 10:44:33
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Rooks said: »
consulted both the moderators and some of the heavier posters

I WASN'T CONSULTED!!!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:45:50
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Not like the section is going to change much since the topics are the same delicate ones.
Should also add a rule saying "Any Anti-Vax thread gets nuked on sight and the OP strung up by their ankles and tarred/feathered into submission."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:46:22
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Rooks said: »
consulted both the moderators and some of the heavier posters

I WASN'T CONSULTED!!!
Yes you were, you are just senile and forgot you were consulted and/or the question.
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By Bloodrose 2016-03-28 10:47:18
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Not like the section is going to change much since the topics are the same delicate ones.
Should also add a rule saying "Any Anti-Vax thread gets nuked on sight and the OP strung up by their ankles and tarred/feathered into submission."
I was about to post this, then thought of a passing bag of plastic in the wind.

Also, I used to be a heavy poster, then I discovered this place called "outside"
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-28 10:48:00
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Bloodrose said: »
then I discovered this place called "outside"
I don't recommend it. That's how I always get sick.
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By Asura.Dameshi 2016-03-28 10:48:03
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Rooks said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Rooks said: »
With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?

Cake, what kind of liberal scum says pie
May an argument be made for such scrumptious desserts as key lime pie, lemon meringue pie, and shoofly pie?
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-03-28 10:49:13
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Also, I used to be a heavy poster, then I discovered this place called "outside"
Worst MMO ever.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-28 10:49:52
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Lemon pies > Lemon cakes, I'll concede on. Same goes to Key Lime.
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By Bloodrose 2016-03-28 10:50:12
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Asura.Dameshi said: »
Rooks said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Rooks said: »
With that out of the way, let the debates begin!
Cake vs. Pie, which dessert reigns supreme?

Cake, what kind of liberal scum says pie
May an argument be made for such scrumptious desserts as key lime pie, lemon meringue pie, and shoofly pie?
You can make Keylime cake, and lemon meringue cake, which are still vastly superior to the pie versions.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-03-28 10:50:56
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Why not just make a "post was edited at x:x" appear like many other forums do?

I actually argued for this at first, but then I realized Rooks was right. Ninja edits that add a paragraph are annoying especially when they completely change the original post.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-28 10:51:40
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Rooks said: »
The "edit" function will no longer work in the P&R section.

Prepare yourselves for multiple multi-posts!
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By Rooks 2016-03-28 10:52:03
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Jetackuu said: »
Those edits got on your nerves that much?

I'm impressed. Personally I think a post "history" would be a better resolution, although much more difficult I'm certain, if even reasonably feasible.

Twofold, really.

First, I want discussion to be a little more measured, and make people think about their post first (as KN points out). Removing the ability to edit is a push in that direction, though I don't expect it to be a panacaea.

Also, while people adding lots of extra content or substantially changing content annoys me, if I hadn't gotten so many complaints about it, I wouldn't have done it just for me; there was no shortage of complaints about that kind of thing. Post history would have been nice, but the existing schema is not friendly to it, and I think from a workflow perspective just forcing people to go to the next post is a more natural fit anyway.

Jetackuu said: »
Also, ha girlboy made you post "Benghazi."

goddamnitsomuch
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