Russian Fighter Jet Shot Down By Turkey

Russia has tightened controls on food products coming from Turkey cause "in 15% of cases they don't respect our standards" and they're blocking said commerce.

All of a sudden they're not up to their standards, sure.

The USA is THE nation that fights IS.
Iraq only send militia who besides one success are no less cruel than IS itself.
The kurdish Peshmerga postponed an offensive against Mosul for over a year now. Their international supporters started to get angry at them and now they at least attack some Outposts and villages near the turkish border, Sinjar being the only real notable target.
Russia mainly attacks non-IS positions to support Assads troop on the ground.
France just went wild and attacked Al-Raqqah and destroyed things like hospitals and killed way more civilians than those who died at Paris.

America on the other hand was vital in supporting the defence of kobane, their special forces retrieved the only internal source of information about the build up of IS and they killed several leaders.
Besides America there is only one notable group who activly fights IS within their means, that is the teror group PKK. They are the main enemies of turkey, so they will be not part of any solution. And have been sacrificed by America already for more Turkish support.

Yes, it certainly didn't occur in a vacuum. Syria has been a shelter for PKK (the terrorist organization we have been fighting for the last 35~ years, losing tens of thousands of people, estimated 30k, civil and military combined) since their debut. They always had training camps and medical facilities there and the Ba'ath regime always turned a blind eye to their settlement in the region.

Now, a branch of them, under the name of PYD, took control of many areas in northern Syria after the military abandoned most of the region and has been fighting the rebels who are the true residents of that region (thus, terrorizing not only our people, but now, Syrians as well). And guess what? They are taking guns and other supplies from certain supporters (for one, US is pretty adamant about supporting them) because they are clashing with ISIS here and there while they are trying to push the rebels out of northern Syria.

The whole region is a bloody mess. Pawns are fighting each other, big brothers are watching and pumping guns into the fray, and Syrians are losing everything, their families, their homes and European Union is busy shitting their pants in fear of a refugee influx, telling us to keep all those people (2 million and counting) away from them... I mean, WTF. Do we look like a shelter with 783.562 km² surface area with infinite resources to take care of a whole country worth of people while the others to the west are building walls and fences?

If this isn't already a world scale war, I don't know what the f* is. The only difference is that, the players are just pushing some buttons and watching instead of taking up arms themselves.

If by fight you mean create and arm, then sure otherwise, that couldn't be further from the truth.

They do both.

No country is killing more ISIS terrorists than the US, I welcome evidence that disputes that. I would also welcome evidence that we are currently supplying arms to them.

Then you would like to share with us who destroyed all the heavy weaponry of ISIS they stole and bought, rendering them unable to do any further big scale offensive?

US is grossly responsible for the Islamic State's existence.
As for arming them...well, I don't know about directly, but they armed the syrian rebels who gave up and got all the weapons passed to the IS who got some free upgrades lol.

But US is also the one who bombed them the most out of all those who sent stuff there.

He changed topic from fighting to creating ISIS and claimed I would not state the truth. A mod should do better than that.

If we look into creating ISIS and America's fault which lead to them we had this discussion earlier. My post can be found here: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/43490/random-politics-religion/605#2905279
Again he is free to point out where I am wrong and have a proper discussion.

Russian military would destroy the United States Military in less then a month so shut up sissy America's.

Lol.

No disrespect towards the deaths, but I couldn't help think of a turkey with a bazooka on this day.

I never changed the topic, just added in the fact the U.S. was the responsible party for arming ISIS.

Russia Destroys Most ISIS Heavy Weaponry, U.S. Promptly Airdrops 50-Tons Of Weapons Into Syria

Aside from the half a billion (I'll have to double check that figure) dollars for training 5 or 6 soldiers, everything else has been done by proxy with Saudi Arabia leading the pact.

There are two sources in that article: The Ron Paul Institute (lol) and RT which owned by the Russian government and known for propaganda.

Still, Russia has done a fair amount of damage to ISIS, sadly they couldn't do it without doing even more damage to the rebels and invading other country's airspace.

Well you have to look at it from their point of view. The Syrian government is their ally and they were requested to help their ally. Therefore, they are fighting against all forces opposing the legitimate government. It makes no sense to only fight against certain enemies and not others, but neither does the idea of 'moderate' rebels.

Nothing wrong with Ron Paul, one of the few decent American politicians.

Turkish map



Russian map




Little easier to tell with this one

Funny, they didn't have any involvement in the Syrian civil war until the rebels were winning and then they began air strikes saying it was against ISIS and denied having targeted only rebels for the first part of their offensive. When they were called out, then they started bombing ISIS as well as the rebels. Face it, Russia's only stake in the conflict is to help Assad, bombing ISIS is just a PR ploy.

That's obvious, they're allies. That's what I meant by legitimate Syrian government.

Which is why it's blatantly hypocritical for them to posture about Turkey's support of terrorism and claim they were protecting ISIS by shooting at Russian jets invading their airspace.

Russia comes out looking like total asshats to everyone besides the nationalists who will believe anything coming from the Kremlin.

Turkish government does support terrorism though. It's been known for awhile and made public since at least July.

Senior Western official: Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable'

October 2014.

Joe Biden apologised over IS remarks, but was he right?

A strange way to apologize, try again.

When asked about the MintPress News story, Åke Sellström, the chief UN weapons inspector in Syria remarked, "They are famous for [the] 1001 Arabian Nights stories.
http://www.cbrneworld.com/_uploads/download_magazines/Sellstrom_Feb_2014_v2.pdf