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By Asura.Saevel 2015-04-19 07:21:21
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Kaerin said: »
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This is pathetic, certain portions of the social contract are non-negotiable. If you choose not to vaccinate your kids, you are choosing to endanger the health of everyone else's kids. Rights to personal beliefs do not trump everyone else's rights to not be infected by your special little Typhoid Mary.

If vaccines actually work why do you care if others are unvaccinated? Aren't you immune to it anyway because you got the vaccine? Isn't that what they're suppose to do? Lol

This is why.

TLDR: You're not immunized 100%, and the virus is an ever changing thing that could mutate to try and bypass your immune system.

Having an infected person around vaccinated people isn't "They won't get ill due to vaccine" it's more of "How long until the virus alters itself to make it through that immune system to get inside of the body and infect vaccinated hosts?


So basically getting g vaccinated is a waste of time and money BC it doesn't work? Good to know.

Vaccines do work but only for the specific strains they are made for. There are different ways to go about it but the general idea is to insert a dead or near dead virus into the human body, the human's immune system detects the virus and reacts to expel the invader which results in antibodies being produced. This is why many people get "sick" after taking a vaccine, their body is reacting and activating the immune system which cause's all those histamine related side effects. There isn't an actual infection so there is no chance of the virus spreading but it results in the immune system building a resistance to that strain. Next time that strain is introduced the body already has antibodies for it and can immediately expel it without first having to develop antibodies. There is very little time for the invading virus to fight back. Unfortunately if a different strain is introduced then those previous antibodies are useless and new ones need to be developed.

That is why there is a different flu shot every year, it's not the same virus as last year. What they do is analyze the different strains of flu that are present and create a vaccine for the most common one right before winter, which is the time the virus spreads the fastest. That vaccine doesn't' protect against the less common forms of that years flu, so people are still going to be sick but you've blocked the most common one and thus limited the danger.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-04-19 07:34:02
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On the note of antibiotics, they have absolutely nothing to do with viral infections. Antibiotics make your body a very hostile place for certain types of harmful bacteria which slows their reproduction and gives your body, and your own host of beneficial bacteria, a chance to fight them off. Bacteria have a much longer life cycle then virus's and so their mutation rate is far slower, slow enough that resistance building is very rare. Of course decades of us using the same antibiotics and the inevitable result is bacteria that evolve resistance.

There have been several new antibiotics developed in the past few decades they just aren't being used widespread on purpose in order to prevent bacteria from developing resistances.

Here are some of them.

Ceftolozane
Ceftazidime
Ceftaroline fosamil (kills MSRA super bugs)
Imipenem
Plazomicin

There are many more, most targeted at bacteria who have developed resistance to traditional antibiotics. Doctors are advised to try to keep antibiotic dosages low and not prescribe them unless needed. In emergency situations there are several extremely potent antibiotics that can be used. Another new field involves Melittin which is from bee venom. Turns out that Melittin, when administered in large doses, behaves differently and becomes an extremely effective anti-bacterial agent. It basically cause's the external membranes on bacteria to become extremely porous and their cellular walls explode.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-19 08:24:36
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I was not aware Cosmopolitan was around back in 1936.
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I was not aware Cosmopolitan was around back in 1936.

1936 cover issues "how to make your man moonshine !"
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By Ragnarok.Leysritt 2015-04-19 09:10:14
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Kaerin said: »
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This is pathetic, certain portions of the social contract are non-negotiable. If you choose not to vaccinate your kids, you are choosing to endanger the health of everyone else's kids. Rights to personal beliefs do not trump everyone else's rights to not be infected by your special little Typhoid Mary.

If vaccines actually work why do you care if others are unvaccinated? Aren't you immune to it anyway because you got the vaccine? Isn't that what they're suppose to do? Lol

This is why.

TLDR: You're not immunized 100%, and the virus is an ever changing thing that could mutate to try and bypass your immune system.

Having an infected person around vaccinated people isn't "They won't get ill due to vaccine" it's more of "How long until the virus alters itself to make it through that immune system to get inside of the body and infect vaccinated hosts?


So basically getting g vaccinated is a waste of time and money BC it doesn't work? Good to know.

Oh vaccinations do indeed work, however they don't grant you 100% immunity, so you still have to be rather careful around people who are infected.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-19 09:48:26
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Jimmy Kimmel isn't funny your video is invalid !
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-04-19 12:47:43
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Last time I checked there hadn't been a new antibiotic made in something like thirty years. Because antibiotics don't make anywhere near as much money as antidepressants, because everything these days is a mental illness that requires some form of medication.

Which is a shame, 'cause with the way multidrug resistant bugs are popping up, it looks like soon we're really gonna need an effective antibiotic and not have one.
Antibiotic Breakthrough

Previous ffxiah thread about this
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By Primal623 2015-04-19 13:00:22
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People keeping themselves informed?!
God forbid that happens.

Aside from a few authentically interesting posts from people like Bloodrose, Saevel, and Seha, this is the most informative post I've seen in this thread. Reverse italics? What sorcery is this? A sarcasm tag? I can't BBCode in this world anymore.
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By charlo999 2015-04-19 14:11:44
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People make a lot of unreasonable claims about pharma industries. The only one that should really be made is that they withhold medicines. I don't remember the legal terms, but when they make a new med they have like 10 years(maybe more idr)of monopoly on that formula, which means that if meanwhile someone in their labs improves it and creates a better version of that med it gets put in a drawer, they wait for that timeframe to expire cause after that the medicine becomes produceable by everyone, and only then they release the new version so they can cash on it for more decades.
This slows progress immensely.

Got a a new medicine for headache that works better? Wait till the previous one is no longer a cashcow, then we will release it.


new flash ! we can prevent and reverse 412 diseases with vitamins, minerals, trace minerals, and herbs. I strongly suggest you read a book by Dr. Joel D. Wallach and Dr. Ma Lan called Dead Doctors Don't Lie its also in audio tapes with over 200 million sold not to toot this guys whistle but it is a shame that we take better care of our livestock then we take care of human beings. We can cure almost any disease known thats similar to humans in animals through vitamins, minerals, trace minerals, and herbs. Yet Doctors frain from properly diagnosing the problem and only seek to treat symptoms and not the root cause.

About that headache medicine or arthritis meds be warned ! we can cure it in animals and humans we just make money off the humans.

Aspirin can cause gastric bleeding and death.

Tylenol causes 50,000 cases of kidney failure each year. Ten percent- five thousand- of these cases of kidney failure are severe enough to require a kidney transplant.

Ibuprofen, Advil, Aleve , can cause liver damage in up to ten percent of users, some even requiring a liver transplant.

Methotrexate and Gold shots depress bone marrow so it can't make normal platelets and white blood cells.

Prednisone and cortisone suppress your immune system, leaving you open for diseases far worse then arthritis.

the root cause in deficiencies that cause disease is lack of trace minerals in our human bodies. You may be wondering how can we cure it? its as simple as taking the proper amount of what trace mineral your lacking depending on the severity of your problems. if you continuously take the proper amount you can cure it within 48 hrs to a full month depending on the damage that's already been done from severe lack of trace minerals. there is 90 essential nutrients and sixty essential minerals we need in our bodies. We starve ourselves without these. For doing that we limit our longevity.

It's not what you eat that kills you : it's what you don't eat !

Royal lee already discovered this.

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Vitamins cannot be isolated from their complexes and still perform their specific life functions within the cells. When isolated into artificial commercial forms, like ascorbic acid, these purified synthetics act as drugs in the body. They are no longer vitamins, and to call them such is inaccurate.
A vitamin is
“a working process consisting of the nutrient, enzymes, coenzymes, antioxidants, and trace minerals activators.”
- Royal Lee “What Is a Vitamin?” Applied Trophology Aug 1956
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Dr. Royal Lee was the pioneer researcher in the field of whole food vitamins. For decades he documented the basic facts summarized in this chapter. His work has never been scientifically refuted. Anyone who seriously undertakes the study of vitamins today corroborates Lee’s work. His story is a fascinating study in itself, a study of indomitable perseverance in the pursuit of true principles. Jensen tells us that Royal Lee’s work will not be appreciated until the next century.
Hasn’t happened yet.
Lee felt the full weight of organized drugs/medicine bearing down on him. Reading like something out of Schindler’s List, we learn that the FDA not only persecuted Lee for challenging the economics of synthetic vitamins, produced by giant drug companies, but that he was actually ordered by a court to burn all his research of the past 20 years! Burn his research! When has that ever happened in this country? They didn’t even do that to Larry Flynt.
Going off on a tangent, ever wondered how the FDA attained its present position as attack dog for the drug companies and food manufacturers? It’s another whole story in itself. The precursor of the FDA was the Bureau of Chemistry. Up until 1912 the Bureau of Chemistry was headed up by a man named Dr. Harvey W. Wiley. Here’s a quote from Dr. Wiley that illustrates where his interests lay:
“No food product in our country would have any trace of benzoic acid, sulfurous acid or sulfites or any alum or saccharin, save for medical purposes. No soft drink would contain caffeine or theobromine. No bleached flour would enter interstate commerce. Our foods and drugs would be wholly without any form of adulteration and misbranding. The health of our people would be vastly improved and the life greatly extended. The manufacturers of our food supply, and especially the millers, would devote their energies to improving the public health and promoting happiness in every home by the production of whole ground, unbolted cereal flours and meals.”
- The History of a Crime Against the Pure Food Law, 1912
Now obviously we can’t have a dangerous lunatic like this in charge of the public nutrition, can we? Dr. Wiley actually filed suit against the Coca-Cola company in an attempt to keep their artificial product out of interstate commerce, and off the market. Fortunately Wiley was eventually replaced by a saner individual, more attuned to the real nutritional needs of the American people, as determined by the experts who knew what was best for us: the food manufacturers. This was Dr. Elmer Nelson, and in his words we get an idea of the change in philosophy that marked the transformation of the Bureau of Chemistry into the FDA:
“It is wholly unscientific to state that a well-fed body is more able to resist disease than a poorly-fed body. My overall opinion is that there hasn’t been enough experimentation to prove that dietary deficiencies make one susceptible to disease.”
- Elmer Nelson MD
Washington Post 26 Oct 49
Bernard Jensen illustrates how the tobacco industry and the food giants like Coke were indirectly behind the legal persecution of Royal Lee. Cigarette ads in the 40s and 50s showed medical doctors promoting the digestive benefits of smoking Camels. Or the advertising of Coke and other refined sugar foods stating that “science has shown how sugar can help keep your appetite and weight under control.” (Empty Harvest)
During this same period, Royal Lee was kept in courts for years, fighting to keep the right to advertise his vitamin products, because he was a threat to the food manufacturers. Lee knew they were poisoning the American public. He proved that refined sugars and devitalized, bleached flours were destroying the arteries and the digestive system, causing heart disease and cancer.
WHOLE VS. FRACTIONATED

I bet all the hardened pro medical supporters of the time had their hearts changed after smoking themselves to a horrible death on the advise of these so called doctors. But meh let's forget all the mistakes and that they could never be wrong in this day and age.
Can go on Drroyallee.com to see what path the FDA took in moulding regulations for centeries to come.

Then they make more money on the vitamins they are depriving us of. Except they are not the same.

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WHOLE VS. FRACTIONATED
OK, natural vs. synthetic. Let’s start with Vitamin C. Most sources equate vitamin C with ascorbic acid, as though they were the same thing. They’re not. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components as shown in the figure below:
_____________________A s c o r b i c A c i d______________
ascorbinogen
bioflavonoids
rutin
tyrosinase
Factor J
Factor K
Factor P
_____________________A s c o r b i c A c i d______________
V I T A M I N C
In addition, mineral co-factors must be available in proper amounts.
If any of these parts are missing, there is no vitamin C, no vitamin activity. When some of them are present, the body will draw on its own stores to make up the differences, so that the whole vitamin may be present. Only then will vitamin activity take place, provided that all other conditions and co-factors are present. Ascorbic acid is described merely as the “antioxidant wrapper” portion of vitamin C; ascorbic acid protects the functional parts of the vitamin from rapid oxidation or breakdown. (Somer p 58 “Vitamin C: A Lesson in Keeping An Open Mind” The Nutrition Report)
Over 90% of ascorbic acid in this country is manufactured at a facility in Nutley, New Jersey, owned by Hoffman-LaRoche, one of the world’s biggest drug manufacturers (1 800 526 0189). Here ascorbic acid is made from a process involving cornstarch and volatile acids. Most U.S. vitamin companies then buy the bulk ascorbic acid from this single facility. After that, marketing takes over. Each company makes its own labels, its own claims, and its own formulations, each one claiming to have the superior form of vitamin C, even though it all came from the same place, and it’s really not vitamin C at all.
FRACTIONATED = SYNTHETIC = CRYSTALLINE = FAKE
The word synthetic means two things:
– manmade
– occurs nowhere in nature
From the outset, it is crucial to understand the difference between vitamins and vitamin activity. The vitamin is the biochemical complex. Vitamin activity means the actual biological and cellular changes that take place when the stage is set for the vitamin complex to act.

What you have to consider here is if this were common knowledge how many companies and elite rich swindlers would be affected.
It's not just big phama. The whole food industry would be on its head. And many more.
Amazing how much more autoimmunity diseases we have nowadays too.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-19 15:51:24
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Well, it's good to know that for some of the posters in here, all it will take is any dangerous but medicinally treatable disease to wipe them out. Good luck curing your own cancer with vitamins, herbs, and minerals.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-04-19 16:03:20
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Well, it's good to know that for some of the posters in here, all it will take is any dangerous but medicinally treatable disease to wipe them out. Good luck curing your own cancer with vitamins, herbs, and minerals.

I support their right to take vitamins and herbs for cancer so we can be rid of them

Now if they tried to force it on their kids I'd want them jailed
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By charlo999 2015-04-19 16:20:48
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Would you have said the same for naturally occurring mold?
And yet here we are modern antibiotic medicine founded from penicillin from something as simple as mold.
Do you view antibiotics in the same manner?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-19 16:24:38
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The antibiotic mechanism for penicillin is readily understood and verifiable. The same cannot be said for "natural" remedies.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-04-19 16:26:10
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And do you understand how viruses, cancers and genetic illnesses work and why for many of them simple supplements aren't enough but they require specifically engineered enzimatic action to cause a change?

Yeah just eat well and those cells will totally stop being cancerous.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-19 16:26:40
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charlo999 said: »
Would you have said the same for naturally occurring mold?
And yet here we are modern antibiotic medicine founded from penicillin from something as simple as mold.

Yes, I would. Because penicillin was discovered by pure luck. It wasn't just any mold. And guess what? It doesn't cure cancer. Now please, blow my mind by telling me precisely which vitamins and minerals will do just that. Hurry up, we have lots of people dying in the meantime. Well, you know, except for the ones who have had their lives saved by medicine and techniques from evil big pharma.
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By charlo999 2015-04-19 18:00:21
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And do you understand how viruses, cancers and genetic illnesses work and why for many of them simple supplements aren't enough but they require specifically engineered enzimatic action to cause a change?

Yeah just eat well and those cells will totally stop being cancerous.

Looks like your wrong.

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"There was something odd about the results of the vitamin C and cancer experiments Linus Pauling reported in the 1980s: patients lived longer - much longer. Those treated with vitamin C lived an average of four times as long as control patients who did not receive vitamin C. This massive improvement was unparalleled in the history of medicine."
This quote begins Cancer Breakthrough, Handbook on Vitamin C Therapy for Patients and Doctors by vitamin C experts Steven Hickey,PhD, and Hiliary Roberts, PhD.

cancerinstitue link

And that's just vitamin c.
You can find numorous other links to support this.
But even with these findings and treatments used today no more has been researched into it as much as other methods.
Also this is with synthetic vitamin c. As said before the fake isolated version that still gives benefits.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-19 18:05:39
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Great! Vitamin C has been to shown to be, in some cases, a good supplement in cancer treatment. It does not cure cancer.
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By Ciri Zireael 2015-04-19 18:09:40
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People like you are the reason this world sucks.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-04-19 18:18:02
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Wait are people seriously trying to argue that good nutrition cures cancer....

There can be no "cure" for cancer, it's not a disease or infection. Cancer is when a random cellular mutation cause's damage to the DNA that controls cellular replication and results in your own bodies cells replicating out of control. This type of mutation happens to everyone all the time but our bodies normally recognize this and destroy the malformed cells. But there is a very slim chance, that can be magnified by various substances or conditions, that the mutated cell replicates much faster then the body can remove it and the result is what we call "cancer". Eventually the malignant cells overtake the bodies normal cells and death occurs. Chemotherapy just kills a sh!t ton of cells, both healthy and malignant, with the goal being to reduce the cancerous cells significantly enough for the remaining healthy ones to finish the fight.

There is no way in hell supplements can "cure" that, the best they can do is boost the bodies own healthy immune system such that your body has a better chance of fighting off the malignant cells. Because each person has different DNA the resulting cancerous cells are slightly different in each human which makes a universal "cure" or "vaccine" impossible to create, at best you can make the odds more favorable.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-19 19:00:26
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Good nutrition lowers your risk of cancer and increases your odds of beating it. Genetic damage is constantly happening and being repaired by your body, good nutrition is key to most bodily processes, and the right balance in your diet dramatically lowers your risk for certain types of cancers (like colon).

I know there's a lot of joking about praying away cancer or "alternative" treatments, and that's to be expected based on their claims. But, the placebo effect is well documented and IN ADDITION to medical treatments, any amount of benign ritual or crystal bracelets will contribute to recovery simply for the fact that people believe they do.
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By fonewear 2015-04-19 19:16:50
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I think therefore I feel...wait I think therefore I am ! I'm pretty sure Descartes meant to feel not think...
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-04-19 19:26:18
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This debates still going on?

Sigh well this isn't an issue in the UK, you get vaccinated, and you deal with it.

Even the Scottish all get vaccines.
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And if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated? If for some bizarre reason they do not desire those shots, do you strap them down on a table and force the needle into them? Do you excessively tax them? Throw them into prison? Or maybe just brand a giant letter V onto their forehead.

The question isn't whether vaccines are good or not, but should the state have the power for administer them by force? And remember once you grant the government that power, it becomes permanent and it will use that power in other non-intended ways.

Ie:
There is a new medication found to reduce levels of anxiety and aggression. The government decides on mandatory administration of this medication to everyone starting at a young age and cites the mandatory vacation law as legal justification. Sh!t like this happens all the time btw.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-19 19:38:31
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Asura.Saevel said: »
And if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated? If for some bizarre reason they do not desire those shots, do you strap them down on a table and force the needle into them? Do you excessively tax them? Throw them into prison? Or maybe just brand a giant letter V onto their forehead.

That's exactly what they do in some states for DUI tests if you refuse the voluntary methods. It's amazing to me that people don't seem to care about those procedures when you can classify the person as a criminal.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-04-19 19:43:20
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And if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated? If for some bizarre reason they do not desire those shots, do you strap them down on a table and force the needle into them? Do you excessively tax them? Throw them into prison? Or maybe just brand a giant letter V onto their forehead.

The question isn't whether vaccines are good or not, but should the state have the power for administer them by force? And remember once you grant the government that power, it becomes permanent and it will use that power in other non-intended ways.

Ie:
There is a new medication found to reduce levels of anxiety and aggression. The government decides on mandatory administration of this medication to everyone starting at a young age and cites the mandatory vacation law as legal justification. Sh!t like this happens all the time btw.

if you have a state that would actually do this, then you have bigger issues than Vaccines.
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if you have a state that would actually do this, then you have bigger issues than Vaccines.

You already do.

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Sigh well this isn't an issue in the UK, you get vaccinated, and you deal with it.

Even the Scottish all get vaccines.

If someone said they did not wish to be vaccinated, what do you do? There is most certainly legislation on this matter though you may not be aware of it.

And lol at Jassik's attempt at strawman.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-19 19:51:06
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Asura.Saevel said: »
And lol at Jassik's attempt at strawman.

You obviously don't know what a strawman is.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-04-19 19:52:47
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No one is being forced to get vaccinated nor are most pro-vaccine people advocating such a thing. Speaking of strawmen...

If you don't want to get vaccinate your kiddies, fine. But they're not entitled to mingle with the kids of parents who know what the *** they're doing.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-04-19 19:56:03
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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if you have a state that would actually do this, then you have bigger issues than Vaccines.

You already do.

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Sigh well this isn't an issue in the UK, you get vaccinated, and you deal with it.

Even the Scottish all get vaccines.

If someone said they did not wish to be vaccinated, what do you do? There is most certainly legislation on this matter though you may not be aware of it.

And lol at Jassik's attempt at strawman.

You can choose not to... however Social Services would be round to your door in minutes and remove your kids due to being an unfit parent.
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