Before You Start Selling Vagary Carries

Consider the effects this could potentially have on the community. Empy armor upgrades to 119 will require you to clear Vagary content, which means just about every player will want to clear the content at some point. Obviously groups who sold Delve clears and such are looking at this as a new opportunity to make some gil. While that is of course your right, I implore you to consider not doing this for the benefit of your server's community. If more people are able to clear this content in the intended fashion, I think those people are more likely to stay and keep playing, as the feeling of true personal achievement in this game is one of the primary reasons for its longevity (until as of late I suppose, so maybe this is a moot point...). Maybe I'm just applying my own line of thinking to others, which is certainly dubious, though I can't imagine I'm the only one who gets dissuaded when they read more shouts for selling clears than they do parties gathering for clears.

I've never understood why it is so damn difficult for good groups to shout and fill up their spots and give some other players the benefit of their skill and expertise, and instead would rather wait for buyers to appear. I suspect the implicit argument is that it is not worth their time unless they are getting an additional large amount of gil, however I would counter by offering the suggestion that if you are so capped on content that literally the only beneficial activity you can do is to sell carries to your server, what good does additional gil do for you? Are you not already able to clear every single piece of content with ease? Will a 20th RME really impact your performance that much? Do you not have any emphathetic bone in your body for the community of FFXI?

Sorry for the rant, but the game is in a precarious position, and I think the community really needs to empower itself to make things better.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Majority of players left are the "elite ***", & "the wanna be elite ***(the ppl that always show up as SAM as a DD job),
or the control freaks that cant just play the game and ejoy a win. They have to fight an NM they way they want to or they will spazz out on their party members.
Then Casual players, which have real lives and cant live on this game like some people.(go get a job, woman, buy house in RL).

PS. dont need no relic or mythiic to be good in this game, just common sense & the heart of as lion, becuz gear dont fix stupid.

As much as I harp on SE for what I see as poor decisions, it's really the community that has been the downfall of FFXI. I'd love to go into detail, but then we'd just have 9+ pages of overly defensive responses that only serve to prove the point. Not that we won't anyway....

As much as I love this game and the people I play with, I have to agree. There is really something wrong with this community.

There is something wrong with the community, people left playing are huge ashholes!

god forbid you have to win something in a game to get a reward in it.

If anything I think it should be like ZM/CoP were with sky/sea. You need to be at a certain point in the story (where xol come in) to access it. They've already made this overly open.

So much gross overgeneralization here. Quit, or:

I think a lot of the problem is that no one wants to read up on information and findings beforehand and expect to be taught how to do stuff as they go along. Depending on what it is, that could potentially *** up the run and waste 10+ other peoples times because they couldn't be bothered to read up on what to do for thirty minutes. I'd personally have no issues in helping friends or friends of friends getting clears (and have done so before) if they're worth their salt, but a lot of the times it isn't the case. Leeching isn't going to teach anyone anything.

There really is, just look at all the forums lately. Funny how many were bitching that alluvion armor killed old gear, now that af3 reforged is marginal side grade people are going insane. What do they even want.

I want. To find a datmine with all the items.

The only people that wont need to buy vagary items are my linkshell members. We're in open recruitment atm =p

Won't need to quit with the game dying in Nov.

I don't know. When stuff is easy, it's too easy. When stuff is hard it's too hard. When gear is good, they gt pissed that they have to toss the stuff they have. When it's not so good, they get pissed and say "why did SE bother." There's a ton of people who refuse to help anyone for anything. Then another huge group take incredible advantage of anyone who does help. People trolling and cursing each other out in /yell...
I'm only going to keep playing as long as the few key players in my LS are active. Once they're gone, I'm forever off MMO's.

See the problem isnt with the people selling the wins. It is with the lazy terrible players with money to buy gil that is the problem.

I see it as i dont have time to farm gil, so i sell content to people who only farm gil and dont do content

never pay for what you can do with friends ;)

If you already have the amount of players you need to clear something, the point of shouting for buyers is to get additional profit not to fill spots.

If those groups chose to stop selling, that doesn't mean they'd be shouting for members to join them. It just means they'd be doing it on their own, or not at all.

Selling content helps others clear the same content, by virtue of having better gear. If someone wants to win on their own, being able to buy carries has no impact on that as nobody is forced to buy one.

With modern content HP-scaling to the group size, shouting for extras can actually make it harder if they don't contribute enough to offset the HP addition. It's a good system in that it allows small groups to tackle what should have been alliance content, but it gives a pretty valid reason not to bring extras that you aren't sure can carry their own weight.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/March_2015_Version_Update_Changes

Considering any scrub can net 3mil a day doing a 2 and half hours of work with bare min gear(7x3mil, 21mil weekly). I don't think there buying gil... its those 2-5 mythic owners who smell like they brosale errrrrday. or clipper their way to victory. or bot. let's not forget that's a thing.

This is the same reasoning behind drugs, and pornography. "The problem isn't with the material, its with the people who buy that crap!!!"

Give me a break. Where there is a market for money to be made, people will always take advantage. And just the same, where there are corners to be cut, people will do that as well to save time/headache.

People need to learn that there are two sides of every coin. You don't have to be the guy paying for wins. You could just as easily ask some server people, post in forums, ask for strats, or learn by trial and error (believe it or not, many "elitists" still do lose content in this fashion very early on - they just adapt and win consistently later on).

So while I don't agree with people exploiting the laziness of others, we are all a party to it in some way. You probably did a skirmish run and sold your stones on AH. Would you reason the people who buy those items are just "lazy and should go farm their own"? Or who would reason that you should "give those stones up for free, for the community"?

Both scenarios are unreasonable, just like its not reasonable to expect people to not want to make money off of their game strategies, and the people who buy those conveniences also don't want the trouble of going through the low points. You blame one, you blame them both.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. Not everyone in the game has relic/mythic and they can still clear content with REM equivalent weapons/armor. Just because some people don't have Relic or Mythic doesn't make it stupid. Some people just don't have time, some have better things to do in the game/irl, etc. I've played for 10 years and not once bothered with REM (except the armor) and I've cleared a ton of content and storylines without RM's. Relic/Mythics don't make the player.


If you have them and worked hard on them, then well, good for you, but don't belittle those that don't have them, because they can get gear and weapons nowadays that can match up to REM anyway, so your line of thinking makes no sense. If this was 75 era I could see people like you harping on people not having REM, but in the present era of FFXI, REM is nice but not necessary to be a good well geared player.

Also:


You can play casually and still be a excellent player. I wouldn't group all casual players in the same boat.



Superiority complex much Sieha? So what is the treatment for being overly hostile, arrogant and cocky? Your cockyness is so freakin strong that it puts anime villains to shame.


Now:



Or.....they can do their research on the content they have trouble with, and create their own groups to have a chance to get it. No one needs to buy a run when you can make your own groups to this stuff.

Next:



Who really cares? After November no new content will be made to even put that stuff to use except maybe old content, but like I said who cares?



From your logic, I think that translates too: "We are too hardcore, the ELITE of the ELITE. We won't help you unless you pay us because for some reason virtual money is appealing for us to stare at. And don't ask to join our group cause you're inferior and your gear is obsolete."

Lastly:



Take your own advice.



Probably the only sentence I'll have to agree with you with, for once.

Don't feed Sieha. Please... just don't.

See, this is what's wrong with the community. After this post, I don't even care who's right or wrong. You're all wrong.
I fell in love with this game in 2004. When I first logged on and people say my "?" they helped me out. Gave me some items, some gil, and showed me the ropes. Since then, I've done the same for many other players. But then I come on the forums and see these stupid toxic arguments, and realize, those days are gone.

Definitely could have spoiler'd that

Sorry, I only started posting a few days ago and still don't know how.

Man, first people are mad at 'elitists' again, now you take it out on porn too?!? Just what is wrong with you people!

Sounds like it's not the community that's bad so much as the species.