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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-31 11:35:32
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fonewear said: »
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Wow, I can't open a single P&R thread without people talking about gays.

*yawn*

Not to alarm you but the gays are multiplying at an alarming rate !
How?! Cloning vats?
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By fonewear 2015-03-31 11:36:17
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It is estimated by the year 2020 nearly 40% of the world's population will be gay or on drugs !
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By Zackan 2015-03-31 11:37:24
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
No, it is not the same. Have any of the conservatives here actually researched the law?

The religious freedom law says the government cannot intrude on a person's religious liberty unless it can prove a compelling interest in imposing that burden and do so in the least restrictive way.

And, yes, that leaves room for interpretation. So what the law could actually accomplish, experts agree, will have to be assessed on a case-by-case basis, probably in court.

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This law reinstated the Sherbert Test, which was set forth by Sherbert v. Verner, and Wisconsin v. Yoder, mandating that strict scrutiny be used when determining whether the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, guaranteeing religious freedom, has been violated.

I don't see that much of a difference in the 'spirit' of the bolded sections. Both basically say that the burden is on the courts to prove that there is not a legitimate, compelling reason to infringe on the religious liberities
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By fonewear 2015-03-31 11:37:57
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Wow, I can't open a single P&R thread without people talking about gays.

*yawn*

Not to alarm you but the gays are multiplying at an alarming rate !
How?! Cloning vats?

Well we already created artificial sperm. So the use for men is only to open pickle jars !

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-create-artificial-human-eggs-and-sperm/#postComments
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-31 11:38:16
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fonewear said: »
It is estimated by the year 2020 nearly 40% of the world's population will be gay or on drugs !
Why not both?
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By Zackan 2015-03-31 11:38:31
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Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
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RFRA's passage had nothing to do with LGBTs.


But its the same thing really as the Religious Freedom Law in Indiana.. whats the difference?

Oh I know.. that there have been news stories about cases where store owners were taken to court. The fact that there was news about this stuff... that is difference.

RFRA is crap too.

Law should not support, defend, or make concessions to religions, and they certainly should not have any form of protected status -- including financial -- endorsed or reinforced by the government.

Law should defend your right to believe what you desire; it should not defend the actions you take as a result of those beliefs, nor should it allow special status because of those beliefs.

Ramyrez is a Bill Clinton hater!!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-31 11:39:08
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fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Wow, I can't open a single P&R thread without people talking about gays.

*yawn*

Not to alarm you but the gays are multiplying at an alarming rate !
How?! Cloning vats?

Well we already created artificial sperm. So the use for men is only to open pickle jars !
The sperm isn't the issue. Need an artificial egg and uterus for it to grow.
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By fonewear 2015-03-31 11:40:04
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Wow, I can't open a single P&R thread without people talking about gays.

*yawn*

Not to alarm you but the gays are multiplying at an alarming rate !
How?! Cloning vats?

Well we already created artificial sperm. So the use for men is only to open pickle jars !
The sperm isn't the issue. Need an artificial egg and uterus for it to grow.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/scientists-create-artificial-human-eggs-and-sperm/#postComments
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-31 11:41:29
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Ramyrez is a Bill Clinton hater!!

...yes?

Have you seen me say I actually like the man, ever?

I enjoyed the years of his presidency, but they had little to do with him directly.

He's a terrible human being, and so is his wife.

But I'm glad that's all you took away from my comment.

*sigh*
 
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By Zackan 2015-03-31 11:52:09
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
Seraph.Ramyrez said: »
Zackan said: »
Ramyrez is a Bill Clinton hater!!

...yes?

Have you seen me say I actually like the man, ever?

I enjoyed the years of his presidency, but they had little to do with him directly.

He's a terrible human being, and so is his wife.

But I'm glad that's all you took away from my comment.

*sigh*
Forgive'im, Ramy. Zackan's as big an idiot as Kawar. In fact, I'd probably even go so far as to call him the Kawar of P&R.

lololol no idea who kawar is , nor am i interested. I just don't care enough to deal with haters^^

After all, it must be known religion has no place in a civilized civilization.

Let me explain why I am an idiot on this topic. Group A(in this case lgbt) says "Cater my wedding, Make my wedding outfits, design a cake for my wedding' Group B (in this case evangelists) says " No, you are more than welcome to buy a pre made cake, or one from my album, but I will not make a custom cake for that purpose"

Now, Group A is offended(ironically Group B is offended were it to be reversed) and they then proceed down the Worst road possible.. they take it to court.

My thing is there are better ways without getting the courts involved.
1:Post a negative review
2: go somewhere else
3: tell you friends not to go there

any of these things are ok.. taking it to court isnt

They are a private business.. not a government entitiy, not a corporation
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-31 12:11:24
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We don't serve blacks at this counter.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-31 12:13:09
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
We don't serve blacks at this counter.

Forget it. They're just going to try to mock the argument stating that you're overreacting and that it's not the same at all.
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By fonewear 2015-03-31 12:14:13
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This ***is so important it needs two threads !
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-31 12:15:07
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fonewear said: »
This ***is so important it needs two threads !

Apparently so.
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By Zackan 2015-03-31 12:15:31
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
We don't serve blacks at this counter.
troll.....

We(hopefully) have come to understand that the context you just used is wrong.

Noone is saying they will not SERVE(i.e. sell things) to lgbt.. its that they will not do lgbt ceremonies.

Anyway. last post and I hopefully will not be posting anymore..

Bottomline: This entire thing is about 1 'group's' 'rights' vs a 2nd 'group's' 'rights'

when 1 group gets there way the other gets infringed. It works going A vs B, and also B vs A
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-03-31 12:16:50
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Religious rights aren't being infringed upon. You can go away now.
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By Zackan 2015-03-31 12:18:04
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Religious rights aren't being infringed upon. You can go away now.
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
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By Lye 2015-03-31 12:19:08
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Zackan said: »

Anyway. last post and I hopefully will not be posting anymore..

At least we can agree on this!

Wow....


I stand corrected!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-31 12:20:19
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Zackan said: »
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We don't serve blacks at this counter.
troll.....

We(hopefully) have come to understand that the context you just used is wrong.

Noone is saying they will not SERVE(i.e. sell things) to lgbt.. its that they will not do lgbt ceremonies.

Anyway. last post and I hopefully will not be posting anymore..

Bottomline: This entire thing is about 1 'group's' 'rights' vs a 2nd 'group's' 'rights'

when 1 group gets there way the other gets infringed. It works going A vs B, and also B vs A
It's a direct response to this:
Zackan said: »
any of these things are ok.. taking it to court isnt
They are a private business.. not a government entitiy, not a corporation
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By Lye 2015-03-31 12:21:37
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I will forever cherish the time someone told me that it's not "ok" to take something to court.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-31 12:28:10
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Lye said: »
I will forever cherish the time someone told me that it's not "ok" to take something to court.


It's a good thing we have a constitutionalist to remind us of those things.
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By Lye 2015-03-31 12:28:58
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You make me want to MS PAINT!
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-31 12:29:36
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That's the most romantic thing anyone has ever told me.

MS Paint me like one of your French girls.

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By Lye 2015-03-31 12:33:12
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-31 13:10:42
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Walker's going to announce his campaign April 7th I think. Or was it someone else?

Anyway someone is announcing something on the 7th.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-31 13:38:18
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Walker's going to announce his campaign April 7th I think. Or was it someone else?

Anyway someone is announcing something on the 7th.
Thought that was Paul, but I could be wrong.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-31 13:42:32
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We're both wrong. I looked. It's Marco Rubio announcing on the 7th.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-31 13:44:20
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Oh wait Rand Paul too. Should be fun. So I was wrong, unless Walker is going to as well with the rest of them. Idk, lol. More announcements soon.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-04-02 21:57:52
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Back on topic:

Of Course Ted Cruz Could Win

The National Review

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Columnists and their headline writers have a habit of offering hostages to Fate — e.g., “Let’s not even pretend Ted Cruz has a chance of becoming president,” “Let’s be serious about Ted Cruz from the start: He’s too extreme and too disliked to win,” “Opposition from Republicans who care about winning in 2016 will doom the chances of a senator whose tactics . . . have established him as a loudmouth loser.”

We have heard this sort of thing before.
I don't much care for their politics, but I like their style.

But then there is his attendance problem....

Cruz MIA at Armed Services hearings
Politico

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The committee’s outspoken hawk has the worst attendance record — by far.
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Ted Cruz thunders about what he calls a “fundamentally unserious” U.S. defense policy, but when he had a chance to weigh in during Senate Armed Services Committee hearings, he rarely showed up.

Cruz, who announced last week he’s running for president, has the committee’s worst attendance record — by far.

The Texas Republican attended just three of the panel’s 16 public hearings so far this year, according to a POLITICO review of transcripts from full committee hearings. The average committee member attended 13 of the 16 hearings, and Cruz is the only one of the panel’s 26 members with an attendance rate below 50 percent.
It goes on....
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