Initial Testing For Tier 6 Nukes

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Initial Testing for Tier 6 Nukes
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By cowardlybabooon 2015-03-22 16:16:20
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Hi All,
I just finally got my 100 job points today and didn't see any info on any forums about them. I'm not claiming this to be terribly scientific, but there is currently zero info, and I imagine folks are curious.

Initial testing on level 100 mobs, both naked and clothed. It seems that the spells are about 28%-33% stronger than tier V.

That is,
Naked casting does around 1500 on a level 100 mob for blizzard V, 1560 for Thunder V

Naked casting does around 2000 on a level 100 mob for blizzard VI, 2125 for Thunder IV.

This translates to a TON of damage when fully geared. I have excellent gear, but the below is on that same 100 mob.

Blizzard V: 8638
Blizzard VI: 11063
Thunder V: 8692
Thunder VI: 11148

Taking a look at the MP cost, Tier VI seems to be more efficient than Tier V by a fair margin, despite costing a lot of MP. There is a clear advantage to using Stone VI and Water VI etc. because the damage remains relatively high, for about half the MP cost of Thunder.

Now we just have to find some mobs for which these spells aren't severe overkill, and time some amazing magic bursts on them to see that 20k nuke finally.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2015-03-22 16:33:35
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Not a BLM nor am I interested in the job, but hats off to you for doing some testing that a lot of people have been curious about. I really hope we get some gameplay more focused on classic skillchaining and magic bursts to make some good use out of that.
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By Asura.Crevox 2015-03-22 16:34:26
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Keep in mind also that they stated they're buffing the damage of Magic Bursts in the March update, in addition to looking into a new job ability for Black Mage focused on increasing their damage output.
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By charlo999 2015-03-22 16:37:00
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Still excited to see the spell animations. Can't find anything yet on YouTube etc.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-03-22 17:25:18
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How are the cast times compared to Tier V?

I don't play BLM but I'm happy to see you guys got one of the absolute God-Tier 100 JP gifts.
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By Miang 2015-03-22 17:32:15
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Cast time is 10.5s versus the 7.5 for tier V
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-03-22 17:34:43
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I assume that's still quick enough after haste/celerity/fastcast/whatever to not present problems hitting a MB with minimal warning?
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By Valefor.Slore 2015-03-22 17:41:06
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Better watch it you'll be nerfed next
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By Kalila 2015-03-22 17:57:57
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charlo999 said: »
Still excited to see the spell animations. Can't find anything yet on YouTube etc.
I remember that FFXI use to have every spell, even unused spells, in the dat files. You could look at spells I-VI, or VII, or something really high like that. Later they took them out I think, but I know for sure they were there at one point.

Doing a few youtube search results, it only went up to V I think, that was 7 years ago.
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2015-03-22 18:35:03
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Miang said: »
Cast time is 10.5s versus the 7.5 for tier V

Ya but casting times got buffed that update, too. Old V casting time is basically VI casting time now.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2015-03-22 18:39:02
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Tier V spells are much better damage/MP. Tier 6s have to be used kind of frugally if you don't have support. The other major issue with them without support is their recast time.

They're great when they're useful, though.
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By Carbuncle.Kaelthas 2015-03-22 18:58:50
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Here you go Charlo999 and everyone else who's interested:
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By cowardlybabooon 2015-03-22 21:10:23
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What actual math are you using to say that the Tier V are better damage/MP? I have found that to be entirely the opposite. Huge damage increase, small MP increase.

Edit: I realized byrth said it, I'm guessing he used real math.
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By Sylph.Nimmstalph 2015-04-11 01:24:11
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Fighting VoidWatch NM Ocythoe - MB Bliz 6 - 17,344
Oh my - I am liking these new spells
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By Pantafernando 2015-04-11 04:48:15
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Sylph.Nimmstalph said: »
Fighting VoidWatch NM Ocythoe - MB Bliz 6 - 17,344
Oh my - I am liking these new spells

After seeing some sch doing 40k with 2-3 steps magic burst with tier 4/5 nuke, i guess you have some way to improve.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-04-11 05:49:02
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You can do 40k+ on a single MB on the right mob.
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By Chimerawizard 2015-04-11 10:56:03
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After seeing Ejiin's screenshot on BG forums, we all have a lot to improve unless we're doing 99,999 dmg stone 5 against Plouton or an equivalent target.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-04-11 11:00:06
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Chimerawizard said: »
After seeing Ejiin's screenshot on BG forums, we all have a lot to improve unless we're doing 99,999 dmg stone 5 against Plouton or an equivalent target.

It's not really gear, those two boss's seem to take exaggerated damage from magic bursts of their weak element. When it says "Fire is the key to victory" or similiar, then MBing fire will do stupid damage.
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2015-04-11 16:39:13
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There are still things you'd want to do to hit those numbers, it's not just nuke ele weakness. My highest bursts on plouton have only hit 80k. But with that being said we're not doing the double damage chain and no sam to use whatever their special ability is that enhances mb damage. And yeah that screenshot is pure beauty.
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