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The Order: 1886... 5 Hours of Gameplay
By Kalila 2015-02-17 16:41:29
YouTube Leak Derails Launch Of Big PS4 Exclusive
On February 14, a YouTube account called PlayMeThrough uploaded a series of videos titled "The Order: 1886 Gameplay Walkthrough." The title was rather literal—the videos, which were separated into 16 parts, walked viewers through the entirety of The Order: 1886, from prologue to final boss.
Given that The Order: 1886, a highly-anticipated PS4 game, doesn't come out until Friday, this immediately kicked off a number of furious discussions. The loudest and most inane of these discussions involved the game's length, which clocked at around five hours according to the video leak. Gamers desperate for as much information as possible about The Order fretted that the game was too short while the developers frantically tried, and failed, to control their message.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-order-1886-dev-denies-five-hour-claim/1100-6425343/
It's funny. As often happens during those strange weeks before a game comes out, we're in a bit of a stasis period, where reviewers are currently playing The Order: 1886 but can't actually talk about it until the publisher-dictated review embargo is up on Thursday. So as the headlines came fast and spurious—"Report: The Order: 1886 is five hours long?"—no outlet could give an answer the question people really want to know: is this game worth playing? Is it worth our time? (Check Kotaku on Thursday for our answer to that question.)
Game leaks are common, so common that it's not even that surprising that someone was playing the game a week before release. Early bootlegs of many major games wind up on the web thanks to torrents, review copies going astray, and rogue leakers at various companies. What's unusual is the convergence of this latest game leak and the culture of Let's Play videos. Five years ago, it'd be barely imaginable that you'd be able to watch a full playthrough of any video game online; today it's just unusual that you could watch one this early. Many publishers have tolerated post-release playthroughs because they see those videos as good marketing or because they choose not to enforce copyright claims. YouTube is full of playthroughs even from other Sony games, like Infamous: Second Son.
And just as post-release Let's Plays have changed how people see games, so too, now, has a pre-release Let's Play, one whose first chapter was viewed by 100,000 people before it got shut down.
One early leak has changed the entire narrative of this game. Days before it's out, gamers across the world are talking about how long it might be, how many quick-time events it has, and how it apparently reuses boss battles in embarrassing fashion. The world won't play the game until Friday, and reviewers can't contextualize any of these conversations until Thursday, so the game's narrative currently revolves around the footage and opinions of a single YouTube leaker.
Floating around the front of r/games yesterday, for example, was this thread about the playthrough, offering firsthand details that nobody else has to offer. "Took me a little over 5 hours on my first playthrough," wrote the person behind PlayMeThrough. "Not much replayability. You can't level up any skills or anything and there is no New Game+." As expected, the reactions were harsh. Said one Redditor: "This caused me to cancel my preorder. I'd still very much like the play the game but I'll rent or wait until it's $20."
Quote: Youtuber PlayMeThrough completed Order 1886 and answered questions about the game.
No spoilers.
Took me a little over 5 hours on my first playthrough (including all cutscenes)
Not much replayability. You can't level up any skills or anything and there is no New Game+. And you cannot skip cutscenes either, so it would be the exact same experience I'm afraid. Pretty much the only side thing you can do is looking for collectibles, but that's it. No challenges or whatever.
Well maybe it's 2 hours or 2,5. I didn't measure the time, but the majority of it is cutscenes. So 1,5 hours or 2,5 hours doesn't seem like a big difference either way. Obviously depends on the player.
If you really get into finding collectibles I'm sure you can spend much more time with it. Or if you play on hard difficulty (which I wasn't). But my best guess, based on what I have captured it's around 1,5h-2h gameplay and rest was cutscenes. Take the first 4 chapters for example, maybe 35% of that was gameplay. Some chapters consist only of cutscenes. And often times there are these "interactive" cutscenes with QTEs where you need to press some buttons, but I wouldn't count that as gameplay.
It's more of an interactive movie to me, which isn't a bad thing. Hence the film stripes.
Well sort of... the game doesn't always tell you where to go or what to do exactly. Sometimes you have to figure that out on your own (like moving a cart to climb up to the next area). Or you have to interact with certain objects or need to wait for your teammates to do something. But all in all it doesn't require too much thinking and all objects you can interact with are highlighted when you stand close to them.
Over on GAF there's an Order: 1886 thread with several hundred posts worth of discussion—not over the characters, or the gameplay, or any of the other game aspects that Sony is pushing so hard on people, but over the fact that PlayMeThrough's playthrough took five hours.
What's more, because this specifically is a video game that was primarily marketed based on looks rather than, say, innovative gameplay, it's far more difficult to justify stepping back and wondering just how different the experience is when you play it rather than watch it on YouTube. So the reactions are even more polarized.
It's not quite clear just how The Order: 1886 escaped its release cage so early. At some point in the past 24 hour, the developers at Ready At Dawn filed a takedown notice and got all the videos removed, and the YouTube account has been suspended, but we don't know whether this was a pirated copy or just a rogue video-maker breaking embargo. (Our reviewer, Kirk Hamilton, got his copy of the game last Friday.) It does suck for the folks behind the game, as many have noted.
What we do know is that this one set of videos has dominated the pre-release coverage of The Order: 1886, and that all anyone can do is sit back and watch as we wait to see whether this game will be worth all the attention.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-02-17 16:47:23
I have maintained a wait and see approach on this game, if its reviewed well I will pick it up, if not, I will just keep killing time on FF14 until the next big release. I'm not worried about how long the playthrough took, I have not paid any attention to the leaks and have no plans to. Its pathetic that this happens, especially given the bitterness that stems from a game being exclusive, but I don't think it will have any affect if the game is reviewed well.
By Kalila 2015-02-17 16:54:53
A review has been released early before embargo.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamekyo.com%2Fblog_article356213.html
Reviewer gave it a 15/20, mentioning that the game is 7 hours long and 50% of the game is cutscenes.
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By Kalila 2015-02-17 16:57:27
10 hours and 38 minutes to get all 22 trophies for platinum.
Quote: It took me almost 10 hours to finish the game (from 12:45 from 22:30) on normal mode without aim assist. But I also took a lunch break of almost 30 minutes and another small break of 15 minutes. So that’s somewhere around 9 hours.
I got the first trophy after almost 2 hours of gameplay.
He added that he didn’t really rush through the game and took his sweet time with everything.
Quote: I didn’t rush through the game at all. I explored every possible zone in the game. I have admired and took pictures (that gore picture that is around the internet is made by me, I even posted here on GAF). I listened to all pedestrians conversations. I got almost all collectables except for 2 (I would also like to point out that the game doesn’t keep track of your collectables somewhere so I didn’t know where to search for them). I even restarted some checkpoints intentionally where there were a lot of enemies to get some combat related trophies.
After finishing the game I took a 2 hour break I think. And then restarted the game on easy in order to find the missing collectables. After some chapters of playing I remembered a I didn’t get to explore a room completely because a cinematic was triggered and it got me out of the room. Fortunately, the last collectables where in that room.
Yes, the game is pretty short. I think someone can even finish it in 7-8 hours on their first playthrough if they don’t go after trophies/collectables, just following the objective.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-02-17 17:03:50
That's sad news for me, I was really looking forward to it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2015-02-17 17:20:38
"WE WERE GOING FOR A CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE, AND CINEMA USUALLY ONLY LASTS LIKE 2 HOURS. CONSIDER THIS A BONUS."
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2015-02-17 17:21:02
Bleh, yet another linear and pretty looking game that's short and lacking replay value.
That's AAA console gaming for you.
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By Kalila 2015-02-17 17:23:56
Valefor.Prothescar said: »"WE WERE GOING FOR A CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE, AND CINEMA USUALLY ONLY LASTS LIKE 2 HOURS. CONSIDER THIS A BONUS." A 60 dollar movie with 3 times the length that hollywood gives you, we treat our customers right!
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-02-17 17:28:45
Well I'll still wait for Bloodborne to get a PS4 then.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2015-02-17 17:29:42
game looked fun, but now to wait till it hits the bargain bin :(
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-02-17 17:31:38
Just hit up a friend for Share Play, its a great feature for single player.
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By Shiva.Gib 2015-02-17 21:56:47
You know what's funny, this game gives me a 'Heavenly Sword' vibe to it, a super hyped up Sony First party game, that was all ZOMG GRAPHICS GRAPHICS, CINEMA QUAILITY CSs, GRAPHICS GRAPHICS. Then turned out to be really short and under whelming gameplay wise with Zero replay.
I actually wouldn't mind to play this game... for 10 bucks tops. No way in hell it's worth 60 bucks.
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By Bahamut.Lordzetta 2015-02-17 22:05:19
The only thing I like about this game was the initial trailer. After that it was all downhill gameplay wise for me so I decided to wait until reviews and such to get it. Now that this has come to light I'm not spending 60 bucks for a game this short. I'll get it on sale whenever its up. Had this game had online and co-op it would have been better but being single player only and this short is going to hurt it.
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By Lizk 2015-02-17 22:35:32
So is there any reason to get a ps4?
It doesn't have any good games (multipads are not a console seller) and getting one just for 1 game (bloodborne) is not a good reason.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-02-17 22:39:38
If you can think of a reason to get a X1, you can think of a better one to get a PS4.
By Lizk 2015-02-17 22:40:48
If you can think of a reason to get a X1, you can think of a better one to get a PS4.
There're not reasons to get any of them
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By Ragnarok.Hotkarl 2015-02-17 22:50:25
If a game isn't at least 80-100 hours of game play I won't waste my money, probably the reason my rpg days died with PS2. I am super excited about the prospects of "no mans sky" though.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-02-17 23:39:20
Disposable income. It's literally the only reason to buy almost any console before it's 1 year old.
Remember the "PS3 has no games"? I personally remember the PS2 has no games, and it was the same every *** time afterward.
I bought the PS4 when it came out because I could afford it and in case a game comes out, at any point. I don't follow releases so if I ever feel like "oshi, I'm buying this game", tada, I have the console ready.
As for the X1, I bought it to train on Killer Instinct for EVO. That's the only legit reason I see, and it's a very niche/limited one.
If you're someone who actually is careful with money, then you honestly have no reason to buy anything past the previous generation.
If a game isn't at least 80-100 hours of game play I won't waste my money, probably the reason my rpg days died with PS2. I am super excited about the prospects of "no mans sky" though. The PS3 has some good RPGs here and there.
Same for the PSP/Vita. Sony consoles always have a ***beginning but they turn out to be absolutely incredible when it comes to RPGs and simulations. There are many JP only games that have an incredible replay value and are fascinating (densha de go and co, for example).
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By Zackan 2015-02-17 23:44:57
So is there any reason to get a ps4?
It doesn't have any good games (multipads are not a console seller) and getting one just for 1 game (bloodborne) is not a good reason.
No, Stick to PC
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-18 00:07:19
Valefor.Prothescar said: »"WE WERE GOING FOR A CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE, AND CINEMA USUALLY ONLY LASTS LIKE 2 HOURS. CONSIDER THIS A BONUS." A 60 dollar movie with 3 times the length that hollywood gives you, we treat our customers right! Be fair. How much do you pay for a Blu-Ray of a 120 minute movie that somehow manages to put another 90-360 minutes of extras on (which you probably never watch)?
Being even more fair, how much did I pay for that 100+ hour experience with Final Fantasy XII that actually has moderate replay value?
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By Kalila 2015-02-18 07:38:06
Valefor.Prothescar said: »"WE WERE GOING FOR A CINEMATIC EXPERIENCE, AND CINEMA USUALLY ONLY LASTS LIKE 2 HOURS. CONSIDER THIS A BONUS." A 60 dollar movie with 3 times the length that hollywood gives you, we treat our customers right! Be fair. How much do you pay for a Blu-Ray of a 120 minute movie that somehow manages to put another 90-360 minutes of extras on (which you probably never watch)?
Being even more fair, how much did I pay for that 100+ hour experience with Final Fantasy XII that actually has moderate replay value? I don't buy Blurays, and 300 hours for XII :P
of course I like to just derp around and enjoy the game, so 300 might be a bit extreme
By Kalila 2015-02-18 07:40:24
So is there any reason to get a ps4?
It doesn't have any good games (multipads are not a console seller) and getting one just for 1 game (bloodborne) is not a good reason. Bloodborne really is the only strong contender for PS4 atm, the rest are "okay" but nothing so unique you have to have it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-18 07:40:48
Now I want to play FFXII again...
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By fonewear 2015-02-18 14:45:38
So is there any reason to get a ps4?
It doesn't have any good games (multipads are not a console seller) and getting one just for 1 game (bloodborne) is not a good reason.
A lot of good games coming in the future. Be patient !
Rumor has it Fallout 4 is going to be announced at E3. That only is reason to have a PS4.
By fonewear 2015-02-18 14:52:06
Now I want to play FFXII again...
I want to play XI again but it probably isn't a good idea !
I don't even know if my character is still active or if it has been deleted !
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-02-18 14:52:53
So is there any reason to get a ps4?
It doesn't have any good games (multipads are not a console seller) and getting one just for 1 game (bloodborne) is not a good reason. The way I see it, it's a tipping point for a game I authentically want to play, it doesn't mean there's only 1 game, just that it is the tipping point.
There's still Killzone, Infamous and Little Big Planet for exclusives that I can think of off the top of my head as well as the multi-platform games like Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, CoD and Destiny for example.
But none of those I've mentioned would have me clamouring for a PS4, Bloodborne certainly would though.
By fonewear 2015-02-18 14:53:37
Reason I got a PS4 is it only cost me like 200 bucks.
After trading in my PS3 and games.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-02-18 14:55:22
Reason I got a PS4 is it only cost me like 200 bucks.
After trading in my PS3 and games. Lack of backwards compatibility means I will definitely not be trading my PS3!
While good guy Nintendo has for the time being, always been backwards compatible with the previous generation.
By fonewear 2015-02-18 14:55:55
It did suck to start over again with new games but I honestly hadn't played any of them for years. Time to move on !
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-02-18 15:04:28
It did suck to start over again with new games but I honestly hadn't played any of them for years. Time to move on ! Man I'm still playing KH2.5 HD remix!
YouTube Leak Derails Launch Of Big PS4 Exclusive
On February 14, a YouTube account called PlayMeThrough uploaded a series of videos titled "The Order: 1886 Gameplay Walkthrough." The title was rather literal—the videos, which were separated into 16 parts, walked viewers through the entirety of The Order: 1886, from prologue to final boss.
Given that The Order: 1886, a highly-anticipated PS4 game, doesn't come out until Friday, this immediately kicked off a number of furious discussions. The loudest and most inane of these discussions involved the game's length, which clocked at around five hours according to the video leak. Gamers desperate for as much information as possible about The Order fretted that the game was too short while the developers frantically tried, and failed, to control their message.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-order-1886-dev-denies-five-hour-claim/1100-6425343/
It's funny. As often happens during those strange weeks before a game comes out, we're in a bit of a stasis period, where reviewers are currently playing The Order: 1886 but can't actually talk about it until the publisher-dictated review embargo is up on Thursday. So as the headlines came fast and spurious—"Report: The Order: 1886 is five hours long?"—no outlet could give an answer the question people really want to know: is this game worth playing? Is it worth our time? (Check Kotaku on Thursday for our answer to that question.)
Game leaks are common, so common that it's not even that surprising that someone was playing the game a week before release. Early bootlegs of many major games wind up on the web thanks to torrents, review copies going astray, and rogue leakers at various companies. What's unusual is the convergence of this latest game leak and the culture of Let's Play videos. Five years ago, it'd be barely imaginable that you'd be able to watch a full playthrough of any video game online; today it's just unusual that you could watch one this early. Many publishers have tolerated post-release playthroughs because they see those videos as good marketing or because they choose not to enforce copyright claims. YouTube is full of playthroughs even from other Sony games, like Infamous: Second Son.
And just as post-release Let's Plays have changed how people see games, so too, now, has a pre-release Let's Play, one whose first chapter was viewed by 100,000 people before it got shut down.
One early leak has changed the entire narrative of this game. Days before it's out, gamers across the world are talking about how long it might be, how many quick-time events it has, and how it apparently reuses boss battles in embarrassing fashion. The world won't play the game until Friday, and reviewers can't contextualize any of these conversations until Thursday, so the game's narrative currently revolves around the footage and opinions of a single YouTube leaker.
Floating around the front of r/games yesterday, for example, was this thread about the playthrough, offering firsthand details that nobody else has to offer. "Took me a little over 5 hours on my first playthrough," wrote the person behind PlayMeThrough. "Not much replayability. You can't level up any skills or anything and there is no New Game+." As expected, the reactions were harsh. Said one Redditor: "This caused me to cancel my preorder. I'd still very much like the play the game but I'll rent or wait until it's $20."
Quote: Youtuber PlayMeThrough completed Order 1886 and answered questions about the game.
No spoilers.
Took me a little over 5 hours on my first playthrough (including all cutscenes)
Not much replayability. You can't level up any skills or anything and there is no New Game+. And you cannot skip cutscenes either, so it would be the exact same experience I'm afraid. Pretty much the only side thing you can do is looking for collectibles, but that's it. No challenges or whatever.
Well maybe it's 2 hours or 2,5. I didn't measure the time, but the majority of it is cutscenes. So 1,5 hours or 2,5 hours doesn't seem like a big difference either way. Obviously depends on the player.
If you really get into finding collectibles I'm sure you can spend much more time with it. Or if you play on hard difficulty (which I wasn't). But my best guess, based on what I have captured it's around 1,5h-2h gameplay and rest was cutscenes. Take the first 4 chapters for example, maybe 35% of that was gameplay. Some chapters consist only of cutscenes. And often times there are these "interactive" cutscenes with QTEs where you need to press some buttons, but I wouldn't count that as gameplay.
It's more of an interactive movie to me, which isn't a bad thing. Hence the film stripes.
Well sort of... the game doesn't always tell you where to go or what to do exactly. Sometimes you have to figure that out on your own (like moving a cart to climb up to the next area). Or you have to interact with certain objects or need to wait for your teammates to do something. But all in all it doesn't require too much thinking and all objects you can interact with are highlighted when you stand close to them.
Over on GAF there's an Order: 1886 thread with several hundred posts worth of discussion—not over the characters, or the gameplay, or any of the other game aspects that Sony is pushing so hard on people, but over the fact that PlayMeThrough's playthrough took five hours.
What's more, because this specifically is a video game that was primarily marketed based on looks rather than, say, innovative gameplay, it's far more difficult to justify stepping back and wondering just how different the experience is when you play it rather than watch it on YouTube. So the reactions are even more polarized.
It's not quite clear just how The Order: 1886 escaped its release cage so early. At some point in the past 24 hour, the developers at Ready At Dawn filed a takedown notice and got all the videos removed, and the YouTube account has been suspended, but we don't know whether this was a pirated copy or just a rogue video-maker breaking embargo. (Our reviewer, Kirk Hamilton, got his copy of the game last Friday.) It does suck for the folks behind the game, as many have noted.
What we do know is that this one set of videos has dominated the pre-release coverage of The Order: 1886, and that all anyone can do is sit back and watch as we wait to see whether this game will be worth all the attention.
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