Ban Stick

Yes, it seems your strong point isnt reading, so lets stop here.

Its hard to read and comprehend someone that contradicts themselves.

In other news, I feel as though this is more from reports, than actual GM's simply investigating accounts. So from this point on I guess just be careful with what you're doing. They seem to catch people more while in town than in the outside maps.

I agree. Aelius was one of the nicer people I encounter in this game. don't know why he would just say such stong negative things about FFXI.

It was hardly a strong negative thing, he simply stated that the game is on its way out, with the higher emphasis and support of staff moving to 14, and the dwindling ff11 player base, content won't be their focal point for 11 for too much longer.

I'm not saying ff11 is on the verge of deleting (2 years I recon) but I do agree with Aelius it's time for a new adventure.

Maybe the GM's, to save time on the investigation, suspended all the people reported more than once. Can they check if people use windower? that would be another quick way/excuse to suspend someone and save time.

Everyone seems to be under the assumption that all the bans are just from reports and that there is no investigation.

I venture to think that the STF has been investigating and already tagged people months ago for bans in some cases. It seems they like to get a certain number after some wait before they ban a bunch all at once to boast those numbers.

Even if you haven't touched your bot or fleehacked in over 6 months, I'd say you're not safe at all.

Yea but there's no need to persuade me or other people who's still here to go on a new adventure. Just let it be. If the game is dwindling let it dwindle on its own. No reason to contribute to make it go faster.

A player cannot be issued a suspension unless there is a 100% proof that the player did do something bad.

Therefore, no, you cannot get suspended on a GM's whim. First, they'd get into big troubles, second, a SGM would never green light it. And if we speak SGM, they're way too scared to do anything.

Keep in mind that none of the GM knows anything about speed hacking, among other things. They have flows explaining what is what, but the flows are much more lenient than you think. It's very hard to get suspended unless you clearly do something wrong (insults, money moves, speed/pos hack above a certain value, do not answer a GM sending you a tell and a few others I forget).

While GMs can judge and issue punishment, they cannot do as they wish, they have to follow their policies.

GMs are not allowed personal vendetta, they'd get fired.

If you get suspended before any talk happen, you were either automatically suspended by the system as the result of a mass ban wave or you were deemed afk by the GM.

Speaking of, a GM can force a fake afk in his report, but it's pretty rare as it would end up giving the GM troubles if it's found out.


Also, you guys need to keep in mind that whatever you say can be read by a GM. Many players aren't smart at all and will discuss things openly. I remember a guy who called a GM because he was being MPK'd and he ended up getting a perma ban because he was flee hacking as he called the GM. An other guy reported someone for insults and a few lines above admitted to speed hacking in Nyzul.

The examples are countless. Don't be dumb and you'll never have any suspension, no matter what you do. Oh and yeah, if you're that "big name", keep your ego inside, don't go opening your mouth too much and you won't have half of the server reporting you. I actually speak from experience here.

Considering that the would-be-banned will not see the "evidence" this is a moot point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but GMs don't show you afterwards with what proof they hand out punishment.

The person suspended always receives an email unless what I pointed out in an earlier post happens, which is a professional mistake anyway and shouldn't happen.

Well, I'll correct you then: you are sent an email when suspended and if you have an EU account (the procedure is different for EU and US/JP), you'll be reminded your mistake and asked if you have any questions before you're let out of jail. An US account player will be let out of jail before the suspension is issued. I'm not sure about JP.

So, yeah, assuming GMs do their work properly, you'll always know why you were suspended for. I can speak about this both as a player and as an actual employee as I've faced GM policies on both sides. I've gotten in jail and out of it without any suspension despite many, many, maaaany people reporting me every day.

Not saying innocent people aren't being suspended, though, but they're a very tiny minority because GMs are scared shitless to suspend an innocent player.

And does the email have any more information than "you are banned:LM-31"? That's not proof...

Right but aren't those e-mails usually pretty generic?

They aren't.

There is a template for each different offense.

Example in case of verbal abuse:


So, once again, if you receive an email and it doesn't clearly say what you did, contact the support. The support can tell you what the mail should read. You have the right to ask why you were banned, just don't try to counter it as even if it was a mistake, any punishment issued cannot be removed.

They are... my friends said "Cheating/Botting" No specific explanation as to what it was. This idiot is talking out of his *** lmao xD r u a GM Senkyuutai? if not stfu please, you don't know ***.

I was a SE employee for a few years, yes, which is why I can talk about all of this with certitude.

yea the SE GM of italy, lmao plz i doubt it how many times have we heard that

His flag is france...

So you can be banned moving gil between mules? I need to move some soon but worried. I thought they stopped using the program that detects large amounts of gil being moved since its banning honest players?

The gil moving is something really annoying because it's system based, GMs have 0 input in that and will never be needed in the process of the suspension.

They keep using the program but they up the threshold, but players keep making more money than the threshold allows.

I've moved up to 150M at once between my characters without getting flagged, that was in 2012, so nowadays up to 300M should be safe if done in one go.
In the worst case, try buying items with your main and then trade to the mule. You should be able to nullify the suspension if you contact the support and specifically ask to identify yourself on both accounts if you used two for the trade.
Honestly, if you're legit, you can reverse anything related to gil moves suspension by simply contacting the support, it takes 2 days at most in EU, US might take a week given the bigger number of people contacting them.
Just see it as an annoying temporary suspension, a bit like Steam and their wallet ***.

Cheating/Botting is pretty specific.. Did they expect to be told which cheat/bot banned them so they could tell people not to use? There not stupid.

I feel like if moving gil around was an issue, it would only be so if your moving like 400m in a day or something, or i would be banned myself.

Actually, GMs are allowed to tell players which plugin, bot or any third party program was used by the player and justified his punishment.

Back when Nyzul bans were common, players were specifically told that flee hacking was what got them in jail/suspended (the term Clipper was used, especially if the player was smart enough to mention it).
When a guy used that windower plug in allowing them to see hidden NPCs (forgot the name, blinkmenot I believe, I still have the version somewhere) which made them rich as ***, they were told why they were banned.

Except maybe the very first guy who posted on BG about using this exploit, this guy was destroyed without explanation I think.

You cant even speak with a GM, customer service rep on their chat or phone support are NOT gms. You can't dispute a ban or find out anything else beyond what the email says, they= are given very little information in regards to ban. So yes a GM with a vendetta is possible, its not hard to hide that. Lets see how pplz are getting banned w/o jail or tell is that customary? No it isnt, they r doing something new and nobody knows why. That is why this thread is alive in the first place lolz

Actually, the bolded part is nothing new at all.

I'm pretty sure that none of the GMs ever banned someone because they had a vendetta. For the simple reason that I was the only employee to know the names being reported or reporting.

Most of the big names here and on BG are no names at SE, so you can easily understand that anyone that isn't a big name in the community is literally who.
I was famous in the bad way within the GM service, to give you an actual example, yet they never issued any suspension toward me.

The support and GMs are different people but they have access to the same information on players account. The reason for a suspension is always recorded whether the player receives it or not. Not doing so results in the GM getting his *** kicked or fired if done repeatedly.

Being a GM is a full time work, they're not on holiday.

They don't want to ban people. If a specific cheat/bot is banworthy, I'd reckon spreading the word not to use it would accomplish their goals(lower it's use) with the least bans.

But even past that, the automated emails say the offense was on [day the email was sent]. Can't be right, if offense was weeks/months ago like in my case then the date is certainly just coming from the system.

Senkyuutai you are recommending I contact SE first before moving my gil around? Seems silly but if that's what it takes..

It's an annoyance that shouldn't happen at all.