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Boehner Wants to Sue Obama (again)
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 12:00:34
No one in this thread made a direct threat to the president's life though.
Not only that but now you're adding that KN would have to go buy fertlizer to actually get someone to come out there. For all you know he could be regularly buying fertilizer already. Has he bought a ticket to DC or any other venue that the president will be there at the same time? Has he actually made a direct threat?
Replying in jest to anothers comments isn't really grounds for that.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-29 12:05:16
There. A one way ticket to Gitmo and a Metal Gear torture scene.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-29 12:17:35
Holy crap, this is going to be a good thread.
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By Bismarck.Oldelf 2015-01-29 12:19:18
Bloodrose you do know Obama studied the koran in his youth.
That is why he is always trying to appease them. IMO
And the later half of my comment was made in jest.
But the lawsuit is the 1st step to challenge the unconstitutionality of some of his executive orders.
And you being a Canadian Socialist know everything about US Constitutional Law.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-29 12:26:00
Who exactly is Obama always trying to please?
His executive order wasn't unconstitutional. The lawsuit will be another waste of time and the republicans will go back to their base and say oh hey well at least we tried... Talk about wasteful spending... Basically it will stay in place for now and if a republican president gets elected for the following term then it will get squashed.
Also, you don't challenge it's "unconstitutionaluty".
By Jetackuu 2015-01-29 12:26:53
Bloodrose you do know Obama studied the koran in his youth.
That is why he is always trying to appease them. IMO
And the later half of my comment was made in jest.
But the lawsuit is the 1st step to challenge the unconstitutionality of some of his executive orders.
And you being a Canadian Socialist know everything about US Constitutional Law.
Even if it is true, your conclusion is far from logical.
I'll say it again: what unconstitutionality?
lol@theCanadianSocialist bit, that's funny.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 12:28:56
Bloodrose you do know Obama studied the koran in his youth.
That is why he is always trying to appease them. IMO
And the later half of my comment was made in jest.
But the lawsuit is the 1st step to challenge the unconstitutionality of some of his executive orders.
And you being a Canadian Socialist know everything about US Constitutional Law. Again, more stupid ***that not even Nausi would align himself with.
Even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and contrary to such idiotic beliefs or statements, even made in jest, Canada is not a Socialist country. We have socialized Medicine, and that's about it. We model much of our laws and policies from US policies and laws.
And yes, I do follow US laws probably more than you.
People have claimed Obama is really Kenyan, despite a certified birth certificate from Hawaii. That studying the Quran makes people Muslim - which it doesn't. He's also studied the bible, and other religious texts, and practices Christianity.
I've had debates on US Constitutional Law with other forum posters, and their interpretations there-in, along side my own.
Name one of the Executive Orders he's made that has any grounds of being Unconstitutional? He's also used the least amount of EO's than any other modern day president to ever hold office.
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By Bismarck.Oldelf 2015-01-29 12:30:57
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-29 12:32:18
There's a man who leads a life of danger
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
With every move he makes
Another chance he takes
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Muslim Man
Secret Muslim Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Beware of pretty Democrats that you find
A pretty Democrat can hide an evil mind
Oh, be careful what you say
Or you'll give yourself away to the NSA
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Muslim Man
Secret Muslim Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Swinging on Benghazi one day
And then laying in a Saudi Arabian alley next day
Oh, don't you let the wrong words slip
While kissing persuasive lips
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Muslim Man
Secret Muslim Man
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:32:24
Not only that but now you're adding that KN would have to go buy fertlizer to actually get someone to come out there. For all you know he could be regularly buying fertilizer already. Has he bought a ticket to DC or any other venue that the president will be there at the same time? Has he actually made a direct threat? That's the problem, I already do.
If the Feds were to make any attempt to arrest me for "terrorist charges" based on this website and my purchases of fertilizer, then I will have a free blank check against the government for libel charges.
Plus, not only will the charges themselves ruin my career, I will also have additional slander charges on top of that in form of my future income lost because of their own failures to investigate. Which will be in the tens of millions of dollars (I really should figure that out based on historical increases in wages and expected inflation increases to see how much that is).
And the nice thing is: all of it would be tax free income to me.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 12:32:53
He's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm now considered "the bottom" in the eyes of BR.
Despite the genuine chuckling, part of me is actually filled with hope at the fact that I'm being held as a positive example.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:34:10
Name one of the Executive Orders he's made that has any grounds of being Unconstitutional? He's also used the least amount of EO's than any other modern day president to ever hold office. I could name just one, but I'm not going to feed the troll.
If you want to know, I can PM you it.
@Nausi: Bloodrose is a guy. Just saying.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 12:36:25
Name one of the Executive Orders he's made that has any grounds of being Unconstitutional? He's also used the least amount of EO's than any other modern day president to ever hold office. I could name just one, but I'm not going to feed the troll.
If you want to know, I can PM you it.
@Nausi: Bloodrose is a guy. Just saying.
Oh thx KN. Can never tell...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:38:18
Name one of the Executive Orders he's made that has any grounds of being Unconstitutional? He's also used the least amount of EO's than any other modern day president to ever hold office. I could name just one, but I'm not going to feed the troll.
If you want to know, I can PM you it.
@Nausi: Bloodrose is a guy. Just saying.
Oh thx KN. Can never tell... If you don't know, it's best to use either the masculine or gender neutral word. I just happen to know that Bloodrose is a guy.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 12:38:19
He's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm now considered "the bottom" in the eyes of BR.
Despite the genuine chuckling, part of me is actually filled with hope at the fact that I'm being held as a positive example. There's actually people lower on the rung than you :p You were just a convenient example due to the nature of the topic and the thread.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:38:58
He's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm now considered "the bottom" in the eyes of BR.
Despite the genuine chuckling, part of me is actually filled with hope at the fact that I'm being held as a positive example. There's actually people lower on the rung than you :p You were just a convenient example due to the nature of the topic and the thread. On that note, where do I place? Lower middle? Upper half? Bottom?
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 12:40:16
I'd say, upper middle.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:41:34
Nice, that's higher than I though.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-29 12:42:19
KN is a fairly normal person until Pleebo appears and causes him to forget how to think.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-01-29 12:42:54
He's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm now considered "the bottom" in the eyes of BR.
Despite the genuine chuckling, part of me is actually filled with hope at the fact that I'm being held as a positive example. There's actually people lower on the rung than you :p You were just a convenient example due to the nature of the topic and the thread.
Just FYI, Obama doesn't have to be a Muslim in order to have an over sized chip on his shoulder about the adversaries of them. I mean you don't really think he bailed on France because he didn't have time to get ready do you?
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"...the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam."
-BHO
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 12:46:52
He's the gift that keeps on giving. I'm now considered "the bottom" in the eyes of BR.
Despite the genuine chuckling, part of me is actually filled with hope at the fact that I'm being held as a positive example. There's actually people lower on the rung than you :p You were just a convenient example due to the nature of the topic and the thread.
Just FYI, Obama doesn't have to be a Muslim in order to have an over sized chip on his shoulder about the adversaries of them.
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"...the future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam."
-BHO I kind of have to agree, because he makes a point, but I will say he should have done more to elaborate that the future does not belong to anyone seeking to do unjust harm through violence or slander of anyone.
Obviously a poor choice of words, but again, that should be obvious.
By Jetackuu 2015-01-29 12:47:03
Just FYI, Obama doesn't have to be a Muslim in order to have an over sized chip on his shoulder about the adversaries of them. I mean you don't really think he bailed on France because he didn't have time to get ready do you?
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"...the future must not not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam."
-BHO ftfy, but it's starting to explain a few things, especially when you take it out of context. Hell I don't eve
n agree with his overall point, but that bit was still out of context.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 12:51:28
Time wasn't the only issue. As has been pointed out, it was also a safety issue, and when safety is an issue with suspects of the terrorist attacks still at large, the timing of the memorial walk as a poor decision.
Again, less than 48 hours for complete security detail, briefing, debriefing, etc. would have taken around 72 hours.
However, along the singular line that he should have gone to pay his respects, He should have gone, or sent a high profile member of his staff to go in his place. I don't think I've seen anyone actually argue this point. And if they have, I might have missed it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:52:37
KN is a fairly normal person until Pleebo appears and causes him to forget how to think.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-29 12:53:28
She has a point, and that gif confirms you can't rebut it :p
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-29 12:57:51
She has a point, and that gif confirms you can't rebut it :p
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This caught me enough by surprise to want to post it. It's a post from the Rachel Maddow Show's blog (or something of that nature).
Link first, full post in the spoiler: Boehner's bold new idea: suing Obama again
Last summer, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) took the unusual step of announcing a lawsuit against President Obama. Boehner wasn’t sure what he would sue over, exactly, but the Republican leader was sure he wanted to take the president to court – for something.
Eventually, Boehner picked a topic – the delayed implementation of an obscure ACA provision — and after a few fits and starts, House Republicans agreed to pay a D.C. law firm $500 an hour, in taxpayer money, to handle the case. The whole thing became quite farcical when the GOP’s lawyers quit the case, followed by the replacement lawyers also quitting the case.
And as that case stumbles through the judiciary, Boehner yesterday began talking up his brand new idea: filing another lawsuit against the president. Suzy Khimm reported that the House Speaker apparently hopes to challenge Obama’s new protections for millions of undocumented immigrants.
Boehner discussed the next potential steps at a closed-door meeting with House Republicans on Tuesday. “We are finalizing a plan to authorize litigation on this issue - one we believe gives us the best chance of success,” he said, according to a source in the room.
The options included filing a lawsuit against Obama over the issue or to join the handful of states that are already suing the president. If Boehner moves forward, he would put a resolution authorizing such action up for a vote.
Won’t that be fun.
On the merits, it’s very difficult to take any of this seriously. The president already has well established prosecutorial discretion, and his actions last fall on behalf of immigrants were rooted in precedents set by Obama’s predecessors. There’s no reason to believe the courts would reject the White House’s policy – the judiciary generally doesn’t like intervening in food fights between the branches – and it’s unlikely the case would even be resolved before Obama’s term in office expires.
Chances are, Boehner knows all of this, but will proceed with litigation plans anyway, It’s important to understand why.
When the Speaker launched his woefully weak case against the White House last fall, even Boehner didn’t seem to have his heart in it. After months of GOP complaints about a lawless, out-of-control tyrannical president, the Speaker’s big lawsuit was about a delayed deadline on a health care policy? It was a laughable stunt, but for Republican leaders, the suit was less about the substance and more about the partisan circumstances – Boehner heard his members demanding an aggressive confrontation with the president, possibly including impeachment, and he needed a way to lower the temperature.
The lawsuit, in this case, was intended as a distraction – by filing the litigation, Boehner could plausibly tell his members, “We’re not just sitting around doing nothing; we’re taking Obama to court!”
The Great Republican Lawsuit, Part II is remarkably similar. Republicans want another ugly fight with the White House, including a showdown over funding for the Department of Homeland Security, and Boehner wants to make the whole mess go away. The Speaker therefore sees another lawsuit as another shiny object – a toy of sorts for GOP members to play with instead of doing real damage.
Will Republicans be placated with a frivolous lawsuit doomed to fail? Probably not, but Boehner isn’t an especially strong Speaker, his bag of tricks is empty, and with Homeland Security set to run out of money in a month, he’s getting a little desperate.
What caught me is that conclusion being drawn. I was expecting the usual frothing attack on Boehner, and there's certainly a bit of skepticism about wasting taxpayer money on this again, but... there seems to be some (rather backhanded) praise in here.
Anyone think this analysis might be true?
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