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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 07:09:12
But if we had a real leader, this ***would have been taken care of already....
Right, because the last "leader" took care of the problem so swiftly... This stuff has been going on for 1500 years and no single leader has made more than a dent. It's obvious you want to make this topic about US politics instead of taking about the actual topic. If you have nothing of worth to say, don't post. So, you are saying that ISIS existed while Bush was president, right?
Better yet, look who funded ISIS and then you would see the ***in front of your face....
There was an Islamic geopolitical movement going on almost nonstop since the breakup of Rome. ISIS is just the most recent one. You're trying to say that because ISIS didn't exist, there was no militant muslim groups doing basically the same thing, which is completely false. We've funded radical groups in the middle east for decades whenever it suited our interest, our western and eastern counterparts have done the same. This isn't a new struggle, just a new name. Again, you fail to realize the reality of the situation.
It's one thing if a terrorist group is localized to a small area with no outside help. It is another thing when it was funded by the US, and then use those funds and weapons to turn against the US.
The struggle doesn't matter, the funding does.
But I'm sure that you would be more than willing to support them in the first place. I mean, if your fearless leader (who you keep denying that you voted for in the first place) supports them, then why shouldn't you.
And guess what's happening now. Obama wants to train another terrorist cell to fight the current one. What's going to happen when this terrorist cell turns against the US like the last one did?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-23 07:15:56
So you're saying its bad when Obama does it, buts it ok when Reagan did it?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 07:17:37
So you're saying its bad when Obama does it, buts it ok when Reagan did it? Nope, it was bad when Reagan did it also.
But let me guess: putting words in my mouth is the only thing you can do now, isn't it?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-23 07:24:11
Nope was just asking for clarity since you are solely focused on the present in an argument with someone who stated that we have founded these groups in the past.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 07:33:34
So you're saying its bad when Obama does it, buts it ok when Reagan did it? Nope, it was bad when Reagan did it also.
But let me guess: putting words in my mouth is the only thing you can do now, isn't it? Then stop calling out specific presidents as being bad based on political party or other divisive. At the end of the day, it has zero relevance which president does what stupid action, except for historical reference and arbitrary point scoring.
The US has had a history of training/funding/supplying groups who are willing to perform violence in accordance with US goals, particularily in this region.
That isn't to say other countries don't do the same.
But this needs to stop, regardless of which political party is in power.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 07:38:22
Looks like Putin's opinion was completely ignored. If you honestly think the U.S. can do whatever it wants without informing other parties you're sorely mistaken.
Interesting that all the sources you picked not one mentioned how the U.S. informed the Syrian government.
Quote: SYRIAN GOVERNMENT INFORMED
The Syrian government said Washington had informed it hours before the strikes. Secretary of State John Kerry had sent a letter to Damascus through his Iraqi counterpart, it said.
A ministry statement read on state television said Syria would continue to attack Islamic State. It was ready to cooperate with any international effort to fight terrorism and was coordinating with the government of Iraq.
Even the Huffington Post was aware: U.S. Informed Syria Of Impending Airstrikes Against Islamic State Militants
But at least the The Daily Beast pointed out this:
Quote: The U.S. also launched on its own eight air strikes west of Allepo targeting the "Khorosan Group," a network of “seasoned Al Qaeda veterans” that was planning “imminent attack against the United States and western interests,” according to a Pentagon statement.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 07:45:24
So you're saying its bad when Obama does it, buts it ok when Reagan did it? Nope, it was bad when Reagan did it also.
But let me guess: putting words in my mouth is the only thing you can do now, isn't it? Apparently you're not allowed to point out the mistakes of the current president if they're... a democrat not a republican?
We could sit here and go through the mistakes of all the presidents for the past 100 years, but guess what, Obama is the current president. He's the one leading the U.S. to another disaster, but don't you dare blame him for just following in the footsteps of previous presidents.
Hope and change, yo.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 08:00:35
The idea of 'rights' are imagery. The word you're looking for is America's 'interests.'
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 08:12:17
Nope was just asking for clarity since you are solely focused on the present in an argument with someone who stated that we have founded these groups in the past. Except we knew it was bad before, and yet, we are doing it again.
Like I said before, it doesn't matter what the struggle is, it is how we handle it that matters.
If you do not like a person who is out to kill you, you don't hand them an axe and bend down next to him with your neck exposed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 08:15:06
So you're saying its bad when Obama does it, buts it ok when Reagan did it? Nope, it was bad when Reagan did it also.
But let me guess: putting words in my mouth is the only thing you can do now, isn't it? Then stop calling out specific presidents as being bad based on political party or other divisive. At the end of the day, it has zero relevance which president does what stupid action, except for historical reference and arbitrary point scoring.
The US has had a history of training/funding/supplying groups who are willing to perform violence in accordance with US goals, particularly in this region.
That isn't to say other countries don't do the same.
But this needs to stop, regardless of which political party is in power.Why do you not only demean me, but also prove my point in the same post?
It doesn't matter who's doing it, it is wrong to continue to do it.
It has nothing to do with the person in power and what letter is next to their name, it has everything to do with their actions.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 09:05:08
If I go around and shout "I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian" that does not make me a Christian and vice versa.
Um, yes it does.
It means you self identify as a Christian.
Whether other Christians agree, well that is their opinion. This is where we get sub-categories of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and every other religion that has ever existed.
Different interpretations.
e.g. Protestants vs. Catholics and the wars/violence that divide created.
A better word for it would be choosing your own belief, rather than identifying who you are.
A person should be judged by his/her action, not by what religion/belief they follow.
Edit: To take the life and slaughter innocent people is just wrong. Whether your a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist. It's just wrong.
Again with the no true Scotsman crap, and yes it's wrong, but it is what the Islam, Christianity, and Jewish god tells them to do.
You can cry your apologists cries all you want but we're not buying it.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 09:08:33
Oh yea that one I didn't think would last as long as it did. However, a post that had nothing wrong with it was deleted and so was candlejacks.. I think it was candlejack... but they was both just calling Jet a troll like always and BAM deleted..
Someones got a mod in their pocket.... Not surprising though considering this forum.
Yeah, no.
Mods have called Jet out before in threads for reporting things they feel didn't need to be reported. I don't recall ever being "called out" but there have been many posts that the mods should have deleted that they don't, based on the same standards they have deleted others, not to mention the rules. But since they are human, ***happens and I try to let it slide.
But let's continue on with this Islamic state crap.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-23 09:16:34
Nope was just asking for clarity since you are solely focused on the present in an argument with someone who stated that we have founded these groups in the past. Except we knew it was bad before, and yet, we are doing it again.
Like I said before, it doesn't matter what the struggle is, it is how we handle it that matters.
If you do not like a person who is out to kill you, you don't hand them an axe and bend down next to him with your neck exposed.
When was the proverbial axe handed out? When did we give them anything capable of matching our modern day war machine?
Seems like you are drinking from the Kool-Aid cup of fear.
Apparently you're not allowed to point out the mistakes of the current president if they're... a democrat not a republican?
We could sit here and go through the mistakes of all the presidents for the past 100 years, but guess what, Obama is the current president. He's the one leading the U.S. to another disaster, but don't you dare blame him for just following in the footsteps of previous presidents.
Hope and change, yo.
No-one said don't criticize him for mistakes. However, consider that when people are talking about historical contexts and to counter with a one dimensional focus on the current president, while having demonstrated political bias time and time again; clarity on perception and understanding is demanded.
But then again you're the guy that says don't bad mouth Putin cause Russia was signing your checks.. so go fig.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-09-23 09:18:35
If I go around and shout "I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian" that does not make me a Christian and vice versa.
Um, yes it does.
It means you self identify as a Christian.
Whether other Christians agree, well that is their opinion. This is where we get sub-categories of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and every other religion that has ever existed.
Different interpretations.
e.g. Protestants vs. Catholics and the wars/violence that divide created.
A better word for it would be choosing your own belief, rather than identifying who you are.
A person should be judged by his/her action, not by what religion/belief they follow.
Edit: To take the life and slaughter innocent people is just wrong. Whether your a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist. It's just wrong.
Again with the no true Scotsman crap, and yes it's wrong, but it is what the Islam, Christianity, and Jewish god tells them to do.
You can cry your apologists cries all you want but we're not buying it.
As far as I know, the so called Muslim god you seem to hate does not say one bit of slaughtering innocent.
Please if you you are right then go ahead and quote something from out of context or post a whoosh gif. I'll be waiting.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 09:27:38
When was the proverbial axe handed out? When did we give them anything capable of matching our modern day war machine? Why give them weapons to mass murder other people? Or are you saying that as long as you aren't affected, it's ok to have mass genocide of other cultures?
No-one said don't criticize him for mistakes. However, consider that when people are talking about historical contexts and to counter with a one dimensional focus on the current president, while having demonstrated political bias time and time again; clarity on perception and understanding is demanded. How can you change the past then? Why are you so focused on what other presidents do (and only those who have a (R) next to their name while we are at it) instead of what our current POS president is doing?
It doesn't matter who started it, it matters that it continues.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 10:03:57
So you're saying its bad when Obama does it, buts it ok when Reagan did it? Nope, it was bad when Reagan did it also.
But let me guess: putting words in my mouth is the only thing you can do now, isn't it? Then stop calling out specific presidents as being bad based on political party or other divisive. At the end of the day, it has zero relevance which president does what stupid action, except for historical reference and arbitrary point scoring.
The US has had a history of training/funding/supplying groups who are willing to perform violence in accordance with US goals, particularly in this region.
That isn't to say other countries don't do the same.
But this needs to stop, regardless of which political party is in power.Why do you not only demean me, but also prove my point in the same post?
It doesn't matter who's doing it, it is wrong to continue to do it.
It has nothing to do with the person in power and what letter is next to their name, it has everything to do with their actions. It is not intended to be demeaning.
It is intended to point out that instead of referring to general US policy (which is controversial), you instead chose to focus on the current administration (which is both polarizing and controversial). Which pretty much opens a portal to the underworld for people to start spouting off on the next idiotic D vs R rant, when it really doesn't make much of a difference.
At the end of the day, it doesn't end up mattering if it was generated by congress, or the presidential office, or the CIA/NSA. It is the US, as an entity, which is performing the said actions.
There are real, intrinsic problems to these policies that need to he addressed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 10:12:23
Look, I don't care what political affiliation the current president and his administration is, if he has supplied a terrorist organization with weapons to kill people (including us) with, that president is acting not in the best interests of the people and should be removed.
If you concentrate on the past, you will get nowhere because you can't change the past.
But you can change the present.
Your argument is the same as those who state that if you don't agree with Obama, it must be because they are racist! Seriously, get the *** over yourself....
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 10:24:23
Look, I don't care what political affiliation the current president and his administration is, if he has supplied a terrorist organization with weapons to kill people (including us) with, that president is acting not in the best interests of the people and should be removed.
If you concentrate on the past, you will get nowhere because you can't change the past.
But you can change the present.
Your argument is the same as those who state that if you don't agree with Obama, it must be because they are racist! Seriously, get the *** over yourself.... No, the argument is that by specifically calling a single controverial president, rather than the controversial policy held by many over time, you'll derail from the important topic into bickering such as this.
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2014-09-23 10:29:43
Look, I don't care what political affiliation the current president and his administration is, if he has supplied a terrorist organization with weapons to kill people (including us) with, that president is acting not in the best interests of the people and should be removed.
If you concentrate on the past, you will get nowhere because you can't change the past.
But you can change the present.
Your argument is the same as those who state that if you don't agree with Obama, it must be because they are racist! Seriously, get the *** over yourself.... so dysfunctional behaviour by one president has to be attacked but the ones that behaved this way as well are free to go?
What do you learn by just concentrating on the present?
For problem fixing it is a very good thing, but coming up with ideas has usually to do with analysing situations and actions done in the past. I do agree that funding a terror-cell is stupid, the problem comes in the details where we don't even the *** what exactly is going on in that country 24/7. What access to a country can someone provide that doesn't even live there?
As for now the Us stands pretty solid, even when they fund terror-cells. There are no daily suicide bombings in the US and slaughtering of opposing parties.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 10:34:26
If I go around and shout "I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian" that does not make me a Christian and vice versa.
Um, yes it does.
It means you self identify as a Christian.
Whether other Christians agree, well that is their opinion. This is where we get sub-categories of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and every other religion that has ever existed.
Different interpretations.
e.g. Protestants vs. Catholics and the wars/violence that divide created.
A better word for it would be choosing your own belief, rather than identifying who you are.
A person should be judged by his/her action, not by what religion/belief they follow.
Edit: To take the life and slaughter innocent people is just wrong. Whether your a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist. It's just wrong.
Again with the no true Scotsman crap, and yes it's wrong, but it is what the Islam, Christianity, and Jewish god tells them to do.
You can cry your apologists cries all you want but we're not buying it.
As far as I know, the so called Muslim god you seem to hate does not say one bit of slaughtering innocent.
Please if you you are right then go ahead and quote something from out of context or post a whoosh gif. I'll be waiting.
It doesn't matter what evidence I post you'll twist it with your apologist excuses and parade around victorious, it's silly. Your concept of "innocent" and mine must vary greatly as well.
Also "out of context" my ***.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-09-23 10:34:50
If I go around and shout "I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian" that does not make me a Christian and vice versa.
Um, yes it does.
It means you self identify as a Christian.
Whether other Christians agree, well that is their opinion. This is where we get sub-categories of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and every other religion that has ever existed.
Different interpretations.
e.g. Protestants vs. Catholics and the wars/violence that divide created.
A better word for it would be choosing your own belief, rather than identifying who you are.
A person should be judged by his/her action, not by what religion/belief they follow.
Edit: To take the life and slaughter innocent people is just wrong. Whether your a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist. It's just wrong.
Again with the no true Scotsman crap, and yes it's wrong, but it is what the Islam, Christianity, and Jewish god tells them to do.
You can cry your apologists cries all you want but we're not buying it.
As far as I know, the so called Muslim god you seem to hate does not say one bit of slaughtering innocent.
Please if you you are right then go ahead and quote something from out of context or post a whoosh gif. I'll be waiting.
It doesn't matter what evidence I post you'll twist it with your apologist excuses and parade around victorious, it's silly. Your concept of "innocent" and mine must vary greatly as well.
Also "out of context" my ***.
You still fail to bring forth evidence.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 10:39:21
I don't even read Jet's post anymore unless its to read someone respond to his quoted drivel.
edit: When challenged Jet will not provide a source. He doesn't back up anything he says. We've come to the conclusion he's either a troll or suffering from some mental ailment.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 10:39:51
If I go around and shout "I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian" that does not make me a Christian and vice versa.
Um, yes it does.
It means you self identify as a Christian.
Whether other Christians agree, well that is their opinion. This is where we get sub-categories of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and every other religion that has ever existed.
Different interpretations.
e.g. Protestants vs. Catholics and the wars/violence that divide created.
A better word for it would be choosing your own belief, rather than identifying who you are.
A person should be judged by his/her action, not by what religion/belief they follow.
Edit: To take the life and slaughter innocent people is just wrong. Whether your a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist. It's just wrong.
Again with the no true Scotsman crap, and yes it's wrong, but it is what the Islam, Christianity, and Jewish god tells them to do.
You can cry your apologists cries all you want but we're not buying it.
As far as I know, the so called Muslim god you seem to hate does not say one bit of slaughtering innocent.
Please if you you are right then go ahead and quote something from out of context or post a whoosh gif. I'll be waiting.
It doesn't matter what evidence I post you'll twist it with your apologist excuses and parade around victorious, it's silly. Your concept of "innocent" and mine must vary greatly as well.
Also "out of context" my ***.
You still fail to bring forth evidence.
Not at all.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 10:40:19
I don't like reality so I pretend it doesn't exist
ftfy
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 10:42:15
If I go around and shout "I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian" that does not make me a Christian and vice versa.
Um, yes it does.
It means you self identify as a Christian.
Whether other Christians agree, well that is their opinion. This is where we get sub-categories of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and every other religion that has ever existed.
Different interpretations.
e.g. Protestants vs. Catholics and the wars/violence that divide created.
A better word for it would be choosing your own belief, rather than identifying who you are.
A person should be judged by his/her action, not by what religion/belief they follow.
Edit: To take the life and slaughter innocent people is just wrong. Whether your a Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist. It's just wrong.
Again with the no true Scotsman crap, and yes it's wrong, but it is what the Islam, Christianity, and Jewish god tells them to do.
You can cry your apologists cries all you want but we're not buying it.
As far as I know, the so called Muslim god you seem to hate does not say one bit of slaughtering innocent.
Please if you you are right then go ahead and quote something from out of context or post a whoosh gif. I'll be waiting.
It doesn't matter what evidence I post you'll twist it with your apologist excuses and parade around victorious, it's silly. Your concept of "innocent" and mine must vary greatly as well.
Also "out of context" my ***.
You still fail to bring forth evidence. This was extensively covered here.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-23 10:46:16
Look, I don't care what political affiliation the current president and his administration is, if he has supplied a terrorist organization with weapons to kill people (including us) with, that president is acting not in the best interests of the people and should be removed.
If you concentrate on the past, you will get nowhere because you can't change the past.
But you can change the present.
Your argument is the same as those who state that if you don't agree with Obama, it must be because they are racist! Seriously, get the *** over yourself.... What??
Everything the President and various alphabet agencies do is documented (interpreted) for legal purposes through the justice department. Some of them are available for common viewing, some are only available for Congress and are classified (for whatever reasons).
Which means legal presedence.
Some legal articles on justification/consequences of military aid:
http://jnslp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Legitimacy-versus-Legality-Redux.pdf
http://jnslp.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Covert-War-and-the-Constitution.pdf
Journal on national law and policy
In order to change the present you have to over come past "legally" justified actions.
Not to mention the DoD training "freedom fighters" at various places in the US. E.g. School of the americas
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 10:48:50
No, the argument is that by specifically calling a single controverial president, rather than the controversial policy held by many over time, you'll derail from the important topic into bickering such as this. Wait, you are arguing that it is ok for a president to supply arms to terrorists because he is the current president, and that we are only allowed to *** about it after he is out of office?
It does not matter who the president is, it matters what he is doing TODAY.
Why is that so hard for you to understand? Or do you have your head so far up the current administrations *** that you can't tell what's ***from ***?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-09-23 10:49:19
Looks like Putin's opinion was completely ignored. If you honestly think the U.S. can do whatever it wants without informing other parties you're sorely mistaken.
That has nothing to do with the current situation and its not what Putin said. We won't be asking for Assad's consent to do anything.
Quote: Islamic State urges attacks on U.S., French citizens, taunts Obama
Residents of Tabqa city and Islamic State militants tour the streets in celebration after Islamic State militants took over Tabqa air base in northeast Syria, August 24, 2014.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Islamic State urged its followers on Monday to attack citizens of the United States, France and other countries which have joined a coalition to destroy the ultra-radical group.
Islamic State spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani also taunted U.S. President Barack Obama and other Western "crusaders" in a statement carried by the SITE monitoring website, saying their forces faced inevitable defeat at the insurgents' hands.
The United States is building an international coalition to combat the extremist Sunni Muslim force, which has seized large expanses of territory in Iraq and Syria and proclaimed a caliphate erasing borders in the heart of the Middle East.
Adnani said the intervention by the U.S.-led coalition would be the "final campaign of the crusaders", according to SITE's English-language transcript of an audio recording in Arabic.
"It will be broken and defeated, just as all your previous campaigns were broken and defeated," Adnani said, according to the recording, which urged followers to attack U.S., French, Canadian, Australian and other nationals.
French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said the group's call showed once again, "if it needed to be shown, the barbarity of these terrorists, and shows why we must fight them relentlessly..." In a statement, he added, using an Arabic acronym for the militants: "We must also eliminate the risk that Daesh represents to our security."
U.S. and French warplanes have struck Islamic State targets in Iraq, and on Sunday the United States said other countries had indicated a willingness to join it if it goes ahead with air strikes against the group in Syria too.
Washington has also committed $500 million to arm and train Syrian rebels and to send 1,600 U.S. military advisers to Iraq to help fight Islamic State, while stressing the U.S. personnel would not engage in combat.
Adnani mocked Western leaders over their deepening military engagement in the region and said Obama was repeating the mistakes of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
"If you fight it (Islamic State), it becomes stronger and tougher. If you leave it alone, it grows and expands. If Obama has promised you with defeating the Islamic State, then Bush has also lied before him," Adnani said, according to the transcript.
"DRAGGED TO DESTRUCTION"
Addressing Obama directly, Adnani added: "O mule of the Jews, you claimed today that America would not be drawn into a war on the ground. No, it will be drawn and dragged ... to its death, grave and destruction."
Obama, who has spent much of his tenure since 2009 extracting the United States from Iraq after its costly 2003 invasion and occupation, is sensitive to charges that he is being drawn into another long campaign that risks the lives of U.S. soldiers.
While Obama has ruled out a combat mission, military officials say the reality of a protracted campaign in Iraq and possibly Syria may ultimately require greater use of U.S. troops, including tactical air strike spotters or front-line advisers embedded with Iraqi forces.
In his statement, Adnani criticised Kurdish fighters who are battling the Islamic State militants in both Syria and Iraq.
"We do not fight Kurds because they are Kurds. Rather we fight the disbelievers amongst them, the allies of the crusaders and Jews in their war against the Muslims," Adnani said.
He added that there were many Muslim Kurds within the ranks of the Islamic State army.
On Monday, Syrian Kurdish fighters halted an advance by Islamic State to the east of a predominantly Kurdish town near the border with Turkey, a spokesman for the main Kurdish group said.
Adnani also condemned Saudi Arabia, whose senior Muslim clergy have denounced Islamic State and whose ruling royal family has joined other Arab states in a pledge to tackle militant ideology as part of a strategy to counter the group.
Adnani condemned Western inaction over Syria's conflict, in which President Bashar al-Assad's forces have been embroiled in civil war with mainly Sunni Muslim fighters since 2011. He said the West had "looked the other way" when barrel bombs were dropped and chemical weapons were used against Muslim civilians.
"So know that – by Allah – we fear not the swarms of planes, nor ballistic missiles, nor drones, nor satellites, nor battleships, nor weapons of mass destruction."
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