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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-22 09:48:56
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Race will never be 'let go' as long as the objective numbers that lend themselves to institutionalized racism remain. Thats up to the majority in power as the minority is always at their whims. Last I checked, whites still hold that majority so the ball is in your court.

However, that doesn't mean that black people as a group get a pass. The community has alot of introspection ahead and imo as a whole we've chosen to embrace ignorance, vapid materialism and backwards superstition instead of the full breadth of resources available to us. It lends itself to many of the disgusting stereotypes hurled our way, poverty aside. You can still be poor as ***and hold your head high.

Go figure that argument is why I ended up checking out religion permanently. I feel the institution does more to hold my people back than anything else, perpetuating stagnation and behavioral holdovers while hoping God gives us a cosmic bailout. It didn't happen in the 1500s and it still hasn't happened now. It doesn't help that it feels like we're running an old version of Christianity from the 1800s complete with all the outmoded thinking that goes with it.

So I feel work is needed on both sides to close old wounds and bring us into an era of mutual understanding. That means not shying away from the ugly truths.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 09:49:31
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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It is racist. Just stop discussing race. Gangbangers ruining downtime. Fine. They happen to be black. Doesn't matter that they're black. They're criminals ruining town.
That's not Nausi's point.

He used "black" as an identifier. There could very well be "white gangbangers" or "Asian gangbangers" or whatnot. That's why he said: That's not really directed at all black people or at all gang bangers.

Just seems pointless to me qualifying them as "black".

See Mr. Freeman's picture previously.
Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with your point.

I'm just pointing out that Nausi isn't using racial terms as a racist derogatory mean, but as an identifier to a group of people, and pointing out that people get the two confused.

Maybe I'm being too hard on Nausi himself.

But he's still defending a racist attitude that says "Nope. Racism isn't a problem anymore, all your problems are yours alone and have nothing to do with generational problems dating back hundreds of years."

Which...don't get me wrong. I get why he thinks that way. I did too when I was growing up...in, as I said. A very, very white area that didn't have much in the way of cultural variety. It's really hard to conceive of something you're not familiar with in the slightest.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-22 09:52:55
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Look up the short-term lending racket Texas has going.
Are you saying that this is something that is exclusive to Texas only?

I know for a fact that there are other "short-term lending rackets" in the remaining 49 states.

Unless you are referring to something else. If so, please elaborate.

Yeah. Payday loans are brutal.
Texas has a law that states, both in advertising and inside as a disclaimer that the lenders have to state the following: "these loans are only meant as a short-term solution and not as a long-term loan. If you need assistance with long-term lending needs or help with long-term lending, please contact (512) XXX-XXXX for free assistance and blah blah blah...."

Look it up a bit more. The people of Texas I know have tried desperately to curb this scourge (as has the rest of the country) but the Short-Term lenders have found ways around it. Texas is the worst because a couple of the people who oversee these types of businesses are in fact, either Lobbyists or own branches themselves.

And that's on top of the fact that these Lenders are exceptionally skilled at just plain evading the law.

*** it, here's the link. It's not exactly the highest standard of evidence, but it's a good place to start and expand your own searches.

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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-22 09:55:43
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It's called read a book. I grew up in the slums and learned of methods of thinking beyond my own strip in the dirt. If you think racism isn't a problem anymore, you simply haven't done your reading or can't logic for ***. There is no excuse really other than you don't give a ***because it doesn't affect you.

And that's fine. At least be honest and say that. I don't give a ***about alot of overseas politics because I can only be bothered to process so much incoming information per day.

Even poor illiterates once explained to can see how slavery down through jim crow, white supremacist policy and then on through civil rights and all the government sabotage of that movement would lead to a situation where one group of people have been dealt bad hand after bad hand leading to a current position of ghettoization and structural poverty.

Nausi simply hangs on to 'well some people made it anyway!' to avoid addressing the things he might not be comfortable hearing about. Like whites making alot of disgusting decisions that have been left to this generation to deal with.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 09:58:10
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It's called read a book. I grew up in the slums and learned of methods of thinking beyond my own strip in the dirt. If you think racism isn't a problem anymore, you simply haven't done your reading or can't logic for ***. There is no excuse really other than you don't give a ***because it doesn't affect you.

And that's fine. At least be honest and say that.

Even poor illiterates once explained to can see how slavery down through jim crow, white supremacist policy and then on through civil rights and all the government sabotage of that movement would lead to a situation where one group of people have been dealt bad hand after bad hand leading to a current position of ghettoization and structural poverty.

Nausi simply hangs on to 'well some people made it anyway!' to avoid addressing the things he might not be comfortable hearing about.

And that's what I'm saying. I understand why he thinks that way, and can scrounge up some meager evidence to prove his stance. It's just a bit of flawed logic that he's not willing to see past.

It's just that racism doesn't require burning crosses on a lawn or throwing rocks and bombs through windows. But to some people, as long as that isn't going on, racism is clearly fixed.

It's a mindset of ignorance. Willing or otherwise.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-22 10:00:37
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It's called read a book.

/reads mein kampf
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-22 10:03:30
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's called read a book.

/reads mein kampf

What a whiny read the first half of that book is. Poor Adolf Hitler didn't get into art school so he decided to rule the world!

*insert lighting and thunder here*
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 10:04:21
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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It's called read a book.

/reads mein kampf

What a whiny read the first half of that book is. Poor Adolf Hitler didn't get into art school so he decided to rule the world!

*insert lighting and thunder here*

Well, you have to admit. Whiny and petulent -- and overreaction, holy cow -- as it may be...he definitely gave it a go.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-22 10:05:29
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It is racist. Just stop discussing race. Gangbangers ruining downtime. Fine. They happen to be black. Doesn't matter that they're black. They're criminals ruining town.
That's not Nausi's point.

He used "black" as an identifier. There could very well be "white gangbangers" or "Asian gangbangers" or whatnot. That's why he said: That's not really directed at all black people or at all gang bangers.

Just seems pointless to me qualifying them as "black".

See Mr. Freeman's picture previously.
No, it's not pointless to notice their skin color. It's an identifier, it's an adjective, it's a modifier.

If I categorize my friends into black friends and non black friends by saying to someone "Oh I have a black friend who loves watering flowers", I am not being subtly racist. I am just making my point about my friend who happens to be black, whom I specify by calling him black.

When you hear that and you assume I mean "All black people love to water flowers because they're black." you're being prejudice because you think the only reason I use the modifier of skin color is because I'm racist.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 10:06:57
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
It is racist. Just stop discussing race. Gangbangers ruining downtime. Fine. They happen to be black. Doesn't matter that they're black. They're criminals ruining town.
That's not Nausi's point.

He used "black" as an identifier. There could very well be "white gangbangers" or "Asian gangbangers" or whatnot. That's why he said: That's not really directed at all black people or at all gang bangers.

Just seems pointless to me qualifying them as "black".

See Mr. Freeman's picture previously.
No, it's not pointless to notice their skin color. It's an identifier, it's an adjective, it's a modifier.

If I categorize my friends into black friends and non black friends by saying to someone "Oh I have a black friend who loves watering flowers", I am not being subtly racist. I am just making my point about my friend who happens to be black, whom I specify by calling him black.

When you hear that and you assume I mean "All black people love to water flowers because they're black." you're being prejudice because you think the only reason I use the modifier of skin color is because I'm racist.

You're not getting what I'm saying. Only an idiot would infer that you're saying "all black people love watering flowers".

Why do you need to qualify them as black?

"I've got a friend who waters flowers."

"Which one?"

Racist:"The black one"
Not racist:"Steve"
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-22 10:07:15
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I thought it was hilarious that all they had to do was extend the loan 1 day to loophole their way out of the legislation in the one state.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-22 10:12:07
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It's called read a book. I grew up in the slums and learned of methods of thinking beyond my own strip in the dirt. If you think racism isn't a problem anymore, you simply haven't done your reading or can't logic for ***. There is no excuse really other than you don't give a ***because it doesn't affect you.

And that's fine. At least be honest and say that. I don't give a ***about alot of overseas politics because I can only be bothered to process so much incoming information per day.

Even poor illiterates once explained to can see how slavery down through jim crow, white supremacist policy and then on through civil rights and all the government sabotage of that movement would lead to a situation where one group of people have been dealt bad hand after bad hand leading to a current position of ghettoization and structural poverty.

Nausi simply hangs on to 'well some people made it anyway!' to avoid addressing the things he might not be comfortable hearing about. Like whites making alot of disgusting decisions that have been left to this generation to deal with.
Stuck in the past, remaining a victim bud.

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 10:12:26
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Look up the short-term lending racket Texas has going.
Are you saying that this is something that is exclusive to Texas only?

I know for a fact that there are other "short-term lending rackets" in the remaining 49 states.

Unless you are referring to something else. If so, please elaborate.

Yeah. Payday loans are brutal.
Texas has a law that states, both in advertising and inside as a disclaimer that the lenders have to state the following: "these loans are only meant as a short-term solution and not as a long-term loan. If you need assistance with long-term lending needs or help with long-term lending, please contact (512) XXX-XXXX for free assistance and blah blah blah...."

Look it up a bit more. The people of Texas I know have tried desperately to curb this scourge (as has the rest of the country) but the Short-Term lenders have found ways around it. Texas is the worst because a couple of the people who oversee these types of businesses are in fact, either Lobbyists or own branches themselves.

And that's on top of the fact that these Lenders are exceptionally skilled at just plain evading the law.

*** it, here's the link. It's not exactly the highest standard of evidence, but it's a good place to start and expand your own searches.

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I still don't understand why this is a Texas-only issue. You are against the whole concept, which I agree with you 100%.

I still don't follow why you think this has anything to do with corruption in Texas.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-22 10:14:45
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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It is racist. Just stop discussing race. Gangbangers ruining downtime. Fine. They happen to be black. Doesn't matter that they're black. They're criminals ruining town.
That's not Nausi's point.

He used "black" as an identifier. There could very well be "white gangbangers" or "Asian gangbangers" or whatnot. That's why he said: That's not really directed at all black people or at all gang bangers.

Just seems pointless to me qualifying them as "black".

See Mr. Freeman's picture previously.
No, it's not pointless to notice their skin color. It's an identifier, it's an adjective, it's a modifier.

If I categorize my friends into black friends and non black friends by saying to someone "Oh I have a black friend who loves watering flowers", I am not being subtly racist. I am just making my point about my friend who happens to be black, whom I specify by calling him black.

When you hear that and you assume I mean "All black people love to water flowers because they're black." you're being prejudice because you think the only reason I use the modifier of skin color is because I'm racist.

You're not getting what I'm saying. Only an idiot would infer that you're saying "all black people love watering flowers".

Why do you need to qualify them as black?

"I've got a friend who waters flowers."

"Which one?"

Racist:"The black one"
Not racist:"Steve"

No I get what you're saying, but you're not correct. My using race as a modifier doesn't make me racist. Not in the slightest. Using race as a modifier isn't racism and if you continue to expect the end of racism to include never using skin color as an adjective, you're going to be extremely disappointed.

That's what is meant by "It's not racist to notice someone's skin color."
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-22 10:15:29
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He probably singled out TX because in the clip they specifically focus on legislators from TX. They have the one guy on CSPAN or whatever dodging the question if he would gain financially from blocking the legislations passing. Then they got the lady who was asking that guy those questions in cahoots with the payday loan people.

It's most certainly not a TX only problem... it's a national issue but that's probably why he focused on TX and the fact that we were talking about TX specifically. Has more to do with the politicians and their actions than the actual payday loan places and how their personal finances are affected by blocking or passing legislation. Again I'm sure its not specifically related to TX but it is happening there.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 10:15:52
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Why do you need to qualify them as black?

"I've got a friend who waters flowers."

"Which one?"

Racist:"The black one"
Not racist:"Steve"
Here's a question: If both Steve and Larry were around (not with you) and we were talking, and I mentioned that I have a friend who waters flower, you asked which one, and I pointed at their general direction, is it still racist to point out Steve over Larry by using the most obvious identification, which is skin color?

I would agree with you if the same question was posed, and Steve was not around or with us as you asked, and I still said "the black one.", but is it racist in the above scenario?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 10:18:11
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They have the one guy on CSPAN or whatever dodging the question if he would gain financially from blocking the legislations passing. Then they got the lady who was asking that guy those questions in cahoots with the payday loan people.
You mean those loaded questions signifying corruption before corruption was determined?

That's like accusing somebody of being sexist for not wanting to support abortion pills in public legislation....oh wai....
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My point is that, no, it's not racist to notice someone's skin color.

But identifying them based on skin color alone is, at best, lazy.

Look, like I said, I'm not suggesting you're racist on the level of going out and burning crosses, firebombing interracial couples, or segregating schools.

All I'm asking is that maybe you open up your mind to the concept that just maybe there is, in fact, ingrained subtle racism that we all engage in and we may not even be aware of.

I'm not innocent in this either, I'm sure. That's the vexing part.

Though admittedly Nausi's adherance to tradition probably makes this even harder for him to come to terms with. :p

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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 10:26:33
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They have the one guy on CSPAN or whatever dodging the question if he would gain financially from blocking the legislations passing. Then they got the lady who was asking that guy those questions in cahoots with the payday loan people.
You mean those loaded questions signifying corruption before corruption was determined?

That's like accusing somebody of being sexist for not wanting to support abortion pills in public legislation....oh wai....

I will resist the bait.

I will resist the bait.

I am resisting the bait...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-22 10:29:08
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They have the one guy on CSPAN or whatever dodging the question if he would gain financially from blocking the legislations passing. Then they got the lady who was asking that guy those questions in cahoots with the payday loan people.
You mean those loaded questions signifying corruption before corruption was determined?

That's like accusing somebody of being sexist for not wanting to support abortion pills in public legislation....oh wai....
and you accuse me of arguing for the sake of arguing...

Corruption or not politicians should not be at the forefront of a campaign that they benefit financially from. If it's not a big deal they should be able to answer honestly about it without worrying about reprecussions. It would at least make me question the authenticity of his reasoning in why he would want the blocked.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 10:29:15
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My point is that, no, it's not racist to notice someone's skin color.

But identifying them based on skin color alone is, at best, lazy.

Look, like I said, I'm not suggesting your racist on the level of going out and burning crosses, firebombing interracial couples, or segregating schools.

All I'm asking is that maybe you open up your mind to the concept that just maybe there is, in fact, ingrained subtle racism that we all engage in and we may not even be aware of.

I'm not innocent in this either, I'm sure. That's the vexing part.

Though admittedly Nausi's adherance to tradition probably makes this even harder for him to come to terms with. :p
I agree with you on pretty much everything here.

Side note: I honestly do not think I'm racist, even in the most subtle way. I don't use identifiers based on skin color, nor even hint at any subtle identification or other slurs. And I'm in one of the most stereotypical racial areas in the United States: South Texas.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 10:30:43
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
They have the one guy on CSPAN or whatever dodging the question if he would gain financially from blocking the legislations passing. Then they got the lady who was asking that guy those questions in cahoots with the payday loan people.
You mean those loaded questions signifying corruption before corruption was determined?

That's like accusing somebody of being sexist for not wanting to support abortion pills in public legislation....oh wai....
and you accuse me of arguing for the sake of arguing...

Corruption or not politicians should not be at the forefront of a campaign that they benefit financially from. If it's not a big deal they should be able to answer honestly about it without worrying about reprecussions. It would at least make me question the authenticity of his reasoning in why he would want the blocked.
You think we haven't asked that very questions ourselves?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 10:34:30
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My point is that, no, it's not racist to notice someone's skin color.

But identifying them based on skin color alone is, at best, lazy.

Look, like I said, I'm not suggesting your racist on the level of going out and burning crosses, firebombing interracial couples, or segregating schools.

All I'm asking is that maybe you open up your mind to the concept that just maybe there is, in fact, ingrained subtle racism that we all engage in and we may not even be aware of.

I'm not innocent in this either, I'm sure. That's the vexing part.

Though admittedly Nausi's adherance to tradition probably makes this even harder for him to come to terms with. :p
I agree with you on pretty much everything here.

Side note: I honestly do not think I'm racist, even in the most subtle way. I don't use identifiers based on skin color, nor even hint at any subtle identification or other slurs. And I'm in one of the most stereotypical racial areas in the United States: South Texas.

I have my own stereotypes in my head I fight. I'm not going to lie. I just know better and correct myself any time they come to mind. Doesn't change the fact the initial thought ocurred.

It's much like road rage. I've probably wished death upon some very nice people because they're putting my punctuality in getting to work at risk. I feel bad for it almost immediately afterward. But it's probably a good thing I don't have pyrokinetic abilities.
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Total anecdote but I love when someone is vehemently "I'm not a racist!" while flying a Confederate flag on their Facebook home page. "It's about states rights!" LOL, no.

It's like are you shitting me? You might as well be burning crosses. That flag is a representation of a disgusting era in American history and most definitely will have me viewing you as a racist. I'm already leery as *** down South and seeing Confederate flags makes that gas pedal look very, very attractive.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-22 10:40:22
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Total anecdote but I love when someone is vehemently "I'm not a racist!" while flying a Confederate flag on their Facebook home page. "It's about states rights!" LOL, no.
To some people, the Confederate flag isn't about racism at all.

Heck, the whole Civil War wasn't about racism in entirety, and it certainly wasn't the largest factor either. Maybe #5 issue, but that is up for debate.

But identifying the Confederate flag solely with racism just shows how little you know about American history.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-22 10:42:48
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
My point is that, no, it's not racist to notice someone's skin color.

But identifying them based on skin color alone is, at best, lazy.

Look, like I said, I'm not suggesting you're racist on the level of going out and burning crosses, firebombing interracial couples, or segregating schools.

All I'm asking is that maybe you open up your mind to the concept that just maybe there is, in fact, ingrained subtle racism that we all engage in and we may not even be aware of.

I'm not innocent in this either, I'm sure. That's the vexing part.

Though admittedly Nausi's adherance to tradition probably makes this even harder for him to come to terms with. :p

*editted for my *** homonym dyslexia again.
No that's ***. You're saying "look I know you aren't extremely racist, but you're racist anyways and you don't even know it."

Dude I've got no problem with someone's race, you DO. You're the one obsessed with racism. You cannot even hear race without thinking there's some malicious intent behind it.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-22 10:43:33
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Total anecdote but I love when someone is vehemently "I'm not a racist!" while flying a Confederate flag on their Facebook home page. "It's about states rights!" LOL, no.

It's like are you shitting me? You might as well be burning crosses. That flag is a representation of a disgusting era in American history and most definitely will have me viewing you as a racist. I'm already leery as *** down South and seeing Confederate flags makes that gas pedal look very, very attractive.

It's even better when you see them on rednecks' vehicles up north.

It's just like...really?

For what it's worth, there truly are some people out there who believe it's representative of far more than racism. But they have to understand that a Swastika has been used as a symbol of positive things for thousands of years, but now it's almost universally understood to identify one thing.

And like it or not, the Rebel flag is the same way now. You may not intended it that way, but people are going to assume you do anyhow, because that's how it was used.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-22 10:44:13
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Total anecdote but I love when someone is vehemently "I'm not a racist!" while flying a Confederate flag on their Facebook home page. "It's about states rights!" LOL, no.

It's like are you shitting me? You might as well be burning crosses. That flag is a representation of a disgusting era in American history and most definitely will have me viewing you as a racist. I'm already leery as *** down South and seeing Confederate flags makes that gas pedal look very, very attractive.

Again, if someone states that they fly the flag as a symbol of states rights and you discredit that and assume they're racist anyways, YOU'RE the one obsessed with race.
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My point is that, no, it's not racist to notice someone's skin color.

But identifying them based on skin color alone is, at best, lazy.

Look, like I said, I'm not suggesting you're racist on the level of going out and burning crosses, firebombing interracial couples, or segregating schools.

All I'm asking is that maybe you open up your mind to the concept that just maybe there is, in fact, ingrained subtle racism that we all engage in and we may not even be aware of.

I'm not innocent in this either, I'm sure. That's the vexing part.

Though admittedly Nausi's adherance to tradition probably makes this even harder for him to come to terms with. :p

*editted for my *** homonym dyslexia again.
No that's ***. You're saying "look I know you aren't extremely racist, but you're racist anyways and you don't even know it."*2

Dude I've got no problem with someone's race, you DO*1. You're the one obsessed with racism. You cannot even hear race without thinking there's some malicious intent behind it.

*1 That's exactly what I'm saying.
*2 I already admitted I've still got my own problems in the way I look at race within some issues. It's a matter of dispelling preconceived notions and changing the way you approach a thing.

That said, you have no problems with the individual people who are black or of whatever other minority.

Yet you do still target minorities as a whole as "playing the victim card", even when many of the individuals within that group are victims.

How is that not racist to discount generations of mistreatment?
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