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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-12 09:46:42
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Why can't people just be more honest?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-12 09:48:30
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Why can't females just be more honest?
They are when drunk.
Now that you mention it, that is kinda true. Why is that?
You have to think to lie. When you take away the ability to think, the truth comes out.

This applies to both sexes.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-12 10:00:03
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Why can't females just be more honest?
They are when drunk.
Now that you mention it, that is kinda true. Why is that?
You have to think to lie. When you take away the ability to think, the truth comes out.

This applies to both sexes.

I dunno. I know a lot of people who lie extraordinarily well when drunk. It also helps when the alcohol has made the other person guillable.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-29 01:31:54
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It's officially a law now!

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Gov. Jerry Brown announced Sunday that he has signed a bill that makes California the first in the nation to define when "yes means yes" and adopt requirements for colleges to follow when investigating sexual assault reports.

State lawmakers last month approved SB967 by Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, as states and universities across the U.S. are under pressure to change how they handle rape allegations. Campus sexual assault victims and women's advocacy groups delivered petitions to Brown's office on Sept. 16 urging him to sign the bill.

De Leon has said the legislation will begin a paradigm shift in how college campuses in California prevent and investigate sexual assaults. Rather than using the refrain "no means no," the definition of consent under the bill requires "an affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity."

"Every student deserves a learning environment that is safe and healthy," De Leon said in a statement Sunday night. "The State of California will not allow schools to sweep rape cases under the rug. We've shifted the conversation regarding sexual assault to one of prevention, justice, and healing."

The legislation says silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. Under the bill, someone who is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep cannot grant consent.

Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person.

Advocates for victims of sexual assault supported the change as one that will provide consistency across campuses and challenge the notion that victims must have resisted assault to have valid complaints.

"This is amazing," said Savannah Badalich, a student at UCLA, where classes begin this week, and the founder of the group 7000 in Solidarity. "It's going to educate an entire new generation of students on what consent is and what consent is not... that the absence of a no is not a yes."

The bill requires training for faculty reviewing complaints so that victims are not asked inappropriate questions when filing complaints. The bill also requires access to counseling, health care services and other resources.

When lawmakers were considering the bill, critics said it was overreaching and sends universities into murky legal waters. Some Republicans in the Assembly questioned whether statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define sexual consent between two people.

There was no opposition from Republicans in the state Senate.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-10-01 01:06:57
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Presenting the Good2Go App:

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There’s a new Android and iOS app called Good2Go that aims to tackle the hot-button issue of informed consent for sex. Created by Lee Ann Allman’s company, Santon Technologies, the app’s mission is to prevent or reduce “sexual assault,” “miscommunication,” and “regretted activities.”

The creators say it does this by leading you through a series of steps that gauge whether the person you want to sleep with is in the right state of mind and over 18.

It’s a laudable goal but overlooks a few key facts about consent that may hurt the cause rather than help it.

This is how it’s supposed to go: You sign up for the app with your name and phone number, find a partner and — when you have decided you want to do the deed — open the app and hand her your phone, which asks if she’s down. The person you want to sleep with will have the opportunity to choose from three options: No, Thanks, Yes, but … we need to talk, and I’m Good2Go. Romantic!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-01 01:10:07
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Subtle.
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Gov. Jerry Brown announced Sunday that he has signed a bill that makes California the first in the nation to define when "yes means yes" and adopt requirements for colleges to follow when investigating sexual assault reports.

State lawmakers last month approved SB967 by Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, as states and universities across the U.S. are under pressure to change how they handle rape allegations. Campus sexual assault victims and women's advocacy groups delivered petitions to Brown's office on Sept. 16 urging him to sign the bill.

De Leon has said the legislation will begin a paradigm shift in how college campuses in California prevent and investigate sexual assaults. Rather than using the refrain "no means no," the definition of consent under the bill requires "an affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity."

"Every student deserves a learning environment that is safe and healthy," De Leon said in a statement Sunday night. "The State of California will not allow schools to sweep rape cases under the rug. We've shifted the conversation regarding sexual assault to one of prevention, justice, and healing."

The legislation says silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. Under the bill, someone who is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep cannot grant consent.

Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person.

Hmmm…Decisions….decisions…

Did she move in closer or is she just stretching her back?

Did she nod or is she just dozing off?

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Advocates for victims of sexual assault supported the change as one that will provide consistency across campuses and challenge the notion that victims must have resisted assault to have valid complaints.

"This is amazing," said Savannah Badalich, a student at UCLA, where classes begin this week, and the founder of the group 7000 in Solidarity. "It's going to
ruin the lives of countless men
educate an entire new generation of students on what consent is and what consent is not... that the absence of a no is not a yes."

The bill requires training for faculty reviewing complaints so that victims are not asked inappropriate questions when filing complaints. The bill also requires access to counseling, health care services and other resources

This means your over-paid attorney will NOT be able to ask the accuser crucial questions that are pertinent to your case! To include:
- Her sexual history
- How many men she’s falsely accused in the past
- Her mental/emotional issues

No need to argue with the fact that you may BOTH have been drunk and made poor choices anymore! The state of California has done all the work for you!

It’s simple, as a man you are now guaranteed to be guilty until proven guilty!

It takes all the relevant facts guess work out of it!

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When lawmakers were considering the bill, critics said it was overreaching and sends universities into murky legal waters. Some Republicans in the Assembly questioned whether statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define sexual consent between two people.

There was no opposition from Republicans in the state Senate.

Gordon Finley, an adviser to the National Coalition for Men, wrote an editorial asking Brown not to sign the bill. He argued that "this campus male-lynching rape crusade bill" presumes the guilt of the accused.

SB967 applies to all California post-secondary schools, public and private, that receive state money for student financial aid. The California State University and University of California systems are backing the legislation after adopting similar consent standards this year.

UC President Janet Napolitano recently announced that the system will voluntarily establish an independent advocate to support sexual assault victims on every campus. An advocacy office also is a provision of the federal Survivor Outreach and Support Campus Act proposed by U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer and Rep. Susan Davis of San Diego, both Democrats.

absolutely stunning people. If Cunton Clinton becomes president look for worse things to happen.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-01 05:40:25
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solution: stay the *** out of California if you don't want to be charged with rape for banging chicks at frat parties.
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By Blazed1979 2014-10-01 05:52:23
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So Males must prove they are not guilty and women can go as far as they want without any protest and its still rape? So girls, remember as long as you don't say yes, but don't protest, you can use the rape card. Don't see this ever being abused...


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Sucks to be a young male in university/college.
Of course, they could all just spend some time getting to know a girl and establishing if she's level headed, sane and mature enough to have sexual relations. That or get a go-pro camera, mounted on a helmet to document/record every last second of their social life.

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By Ragnarok.Corres 2014-10-01 06:04:25
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what is the incentive for young men to go to college anymore? Sure it does still hold a certain value, but not for much longer. google is seeking out non-college-graduates at the moment. I am unsure how many compüanies do this as well, but there are a lot is my guess.

So you graduate high school. Go to college. The first thing you MUST attend is a schooling of how you are not allowed to do this and this and that because that makes you a rapist or you are harassing young women on campus. And if you don't talk to them you can still "rape" them (thankfully it is not a law) if you look at them for a bit too long.

so basically: get called a loser because you can't get laid, or get into a fraternity where you have the impressive chance of being labeled a rapist and get thrown out of college. Why in the *** would any guy do this?

Food for thought: male populus on campuses still going down. They will learn their ***other-places, even if it's a blue-collar-job at first. competence forms into confidence, that what you have allready done.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-10-01 06:13:28
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Congratulations fellow californian males we are all rapists now lol
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-10-01 06:16:24
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I've reconsidered this law and now believe its the best form of population control since 95%? Of sex will now be rape
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By Blazed1979 2014-10-01 06:50:38
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What if its a right wing conspiracy to reduce abortion rates, increase marriage and reduce out-of-marriage sex?
Its going to do all those things at once. Wow what if the right is actually pretty damn smart?

Mind blown!

@Corres:
College and University are becoming outdated in most non-physical science fields. If you want to be a great scientist, you will still aspire to go to MIT or another reputable university with lots of $$$ invested in R&D.

But for business fields, such as marketing, accounting, investment management you will be at a greater advantage by attaining chartered or certified status.

CFA VS MBA for example - with an MBA you know a little about a lot of things.
With a CFA you know a lot about very few things. But as we move towards specialization qualifications such as CFAs and CPAs and CMS become more important, and they usually lead to earning a lot more than others with just MBA.

Also in Germany for example, Bertlsman group have a lot of businesses under their corporate umbrella, where they recruit from within a few of their companies that also have apprenticeships. Mohn media as an example. You can join as a highschool graduate and be developed into a professional with rare and effective skills that you would need an undergraduate and post graduate degree to attain through traditional academic institutes.

Many ivy league schools are going online too. They've recognized its a huge untapped market and makes financial sense.

Also, I would argue that as the general population become more versed in material that was once considered academic, but is now considered common laymen knowledge, the prerequisites that are normally taught in higher education are becoming more accessible and commonly understood by the laymen.

Its no surprise that male numbers are in decline in higher education. We tend to be more focused on utility and function rather than superfluous spectacle and societal prestige. We're not the ones spending thousands of $$$ on hand bags that carry the same ***a 20$ adidas or nike bag could.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-01 06:55:44
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What if its a right wing conspiracy to reduce abortion rates, increase marriage and reduce out-of-marriage sex?
If it was, don't you think this law would be made in a different state other than the liberal paradise that is California?

But let's not forget: Only Republicans want to control your actions and thoughts, even if liberals only pass the laws that do that.
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By Nazrious 2014-10-01 07:17:20
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
It's officially a law now!

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Gov. Jerry Brown announced Sunday that he has signed a bill that makes California the first in the nation to define when "yes means yes" and adopt requirements for colleges to follow when investigating sexual assault reports.

State lawmakers last month approved SB967 by Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, as states and universities across the U.S. are under pressure to change how they handle rape allegations. Campus sexual assault victims and women's advocacy groups delivered petitions to Brown's office on Sept. 16 urging him to sign the bill.

De Leon has said the legislation will begin a paradigm shift in how college campuses in California prevent and investigate sexual assaults. Rather than using the refrain "no means no," the definition of consent under the bill requires "an affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity."

"Every student deserves a learning environment that is safe and healthy," De Leon said in a statement Sunday night. "The State of California will not allow schools to sweep rape cases under the rug. We've shifted the conversation regarding sexual assault to one of prevention, justice, and healing."

The legislation says silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. Under the bill, someone who is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep cannot grant consent.

Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person.

Advocates for victims of sexual assault supported the change as one that will provide consistency across campuses and challenge the notion that victims must have resisted assault to have valid complaints.

"This is amazing," said Savannah Badalich, a student at UCLA, where classes begin this week, and the founder of the group 7000 in Solidarity. "It's going to educate an entire new generation of students on what consent is and what consent is not... that the absence of a no is not a yes."

The bill requires training for faculty reviewing complaints so that victims are not asked inappropriate questions when filing complaints. The bill also requires access to counseling, health care services and other resources.

When lawmakers were considering the bill, critics said it was overreaching and sends universities into murky legal waters. Some Republicans in the Assembly questioned whether statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define sexual consent between two people.

There was no opposition from Republicans in the state Senate.
California adopts 'yes means yes' sex-assault rule


Fail is fail.

You ever get into a fight some one calls the Cops? They are like you both claim other hit you, both of you can spend the night in Jail.

Well now MEN can counter claim for Rape. I didn't say I wanted to have sex with her as she lay passed out drunk on the floor. Seriously First thing any Lawyer is going to tell his/her client is counter with Rape allegations. This law does not state as to gender and thus works on a faulty assumption.

Getting drunk, and/or being alone with another person is never a good Idea. Even Marriage does not protect against some crazy allegations, This just opened the Door to some backwards *** legal BS.

Wait for it, it is not far off.
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By Blazed1979 2014-10-01 07:26:04
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Nazrious said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
It's officially a law now!

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Gov. Jerry Brown announced Sunday that he has signed a bill that makes California the first in the nation to define when "yes means yes" and adopt requirements for colleges to follow when investigating sexual assault reports.

State lawmakers last month approved SB967 by Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, as states and universities across the U.S. are under pressure to change how they handle rape allegations. Campus sexual assault victims and women's advocacy groups delivered petitions to Brown's office on Sept. 16 urging him to sign the bill.

De Leon has said the legislation will begin a paradigm shift in how college campuses in California prevent and investigate sexual assaults. Rather than using the refrain "no means no," the definition of consent under the bill requires "an affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity."

"Every student deserves a learning environment that is safe and healthy," De Leon said in a statement Sunday night. "The State of California will not allow schools to sweep rape cases under the rug. We've shifted the conversation regarding sexual assault to one of prevention, justice, and healing."

The legislation says silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. Under the bill, someone who is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep cannot grant consent.

Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person.

Advocates for victims of sexual assault supported the change as one that will provide consistency across campuses and challenge the notion that victims must have resisted assault to have valid complaints.

"This is amazing," said Savannah Badalich, a student at UCLA, where classes begin this week, and the founder of the group 7000 in Solidarity. "It's going to educate an entire new generation of students on what consent is and what consent is not... that the absence of a no is not a yes."

The bill requires training for faculty reviewing complaints so that victims are not asked inappropriate questions when filing complaints. The bill also requires access to counseling, health care services and other resources.

When lawmakers were considering the bill, critics said it was overreaching and sends universities into murky legal waters. Some Republicans in the Assembly questioned whether statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define sexual consent between two people.

There was no opposition from Republicans in the state Senate.
California adopts 'yes means yes' sex-assault rule


Fail is fail.

You ever get into a fight some one calls the Cops? They are like you both claim other hit you, both of you can spend the night in Jail.

Well now MEN can counter claim for Rape. I didn't say I wanted to have sex with her as she lay passed out drunk on the floor. Seriously First thing any Lawyer is going to tell his/her client is counter with Rape allegations. This law does not state as to gender and thus works on a faulty assumption.

Getting drunk, and/or being alone with another person is never a good Idea. Even Marriage does not protect against some crazy allegations, This just opened the Door to some backwards *** legal BS.

Wait for it, it is not far off.

Not to offer an valuable insights or contributions or anything, but just speculating way way way ahead:
So the safest sex is sex with a female body builder. The judge/jury are more likely to believe a male claiming counter rape if she's got bigger biceps.

I'm ok with this.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-01 08:29:44
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Take your own advice... don't put yourself in the situation because if you do then it's already your fault too... you know kinda like how its been said its the persons fault for getting drunk or wearing something sexy which puts themselves in a situation that may lead to getting raped in the first place... you should have known better! C'mon guys!

Take Nausi's advice!

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if you're too drunk to even say "no" and you got there all on your own, you bear some responsibility in what results. That's not to say the other party might not have still taken advantage of you, raped you, assaulted you and is in the wrong for doing so, but your naivety certainly played a role in your result. I avoid potentially dangerous situations for the precise same reason.

Just avoid this potentially dangerous situation or get ready to blame yourself for being there in the first place :) Because even if the other party has taken advantage of you, raped or assaulted you still bear some of that responsibility!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-10-01 09:26:50
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This is absolutely insane.

Both of you got drunk and had sex, well no worries right? You BOTH rapped each other. Throw that in front of a jury and see how much sympathy they can drum up for the guy.

I guess our prisons weren't crowded enough.

The feminazis are one step closer to their utopia of all men being criminals
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-01 09:28:49
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This is absolutely insane.

Both of you got drunk and had sex, well no worries right? You BOTH rapped each other. Throw that in front of a jury and see how much sympathy they can drum up for the guy.

I guess our prisons weren't crowded enough.

The feminazis are one step closer to their utopia of all men being criminals
Hey man... you're naivety got you into that situation in the first place... you only have yourself to blame...
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By Ramyrez 2014-10-01 09:37:04
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Of course, they could all just spend some time getting to know a girl and establishing if she's level headed, sane and mature enough to have sexual relations.

This of course works both ways, and is the actual responsible thing to do. We can't have people doing that. Either party might say no if they had to get to know each other!

If there's one thing both sides of this argument agree on, it's that we can't hold people responsible for their actions.

The only thing they disagree upon is which party gets off scott-free.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-10-01 09:39:17
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This is absolutely insane.

Both of you got drunk and had sex, well no worries right? You BOTH rapped each other. Throw that in front of a jury and see how much sympathy they can drum up for the guy.

I guess our prisons weren't crowded enough.

The feminazis are one step closer to their utopia of all men being criminals
Hey man... you're naivety got you into that situation in the first place... you only have yourself to blame...

As usual, efforts to make a point are wasted on you. Is there someone else responsible for your safety aside from yourself?

Yeah, who would have thought that we would live in a society that passes laws would make going out to have a few beers and get laid such a treacherous activity.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-01 09:52:31
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
This is absolutely insane.

Both of you got drunk and had sex, well no worries right? You BOTH rapped each other. Throw that in front of a jury and see how much sympathy they can drum up for the guy.

I guess our prisons weren't crowded enough.

The feminazis are one step closer to their utopia of all men being criminals
Hey man... you're naivety got you into that situation in the first place... you only have yourself to blame...

As usual, efforts to make a point are wasted on you. Is there someone else responsible for your safety aside from yourself?

Yeah, who would have thought that we would live in a society that passes laws would make going out to have a few beers and get laid such a treacherous activity.
You didn't make a point... You just tried to shift blame on to the victim. Just because you don't understand that since someone is drunk or dressed a certain way and at a bar or something doesn't give you the right to *** them doesn't mean anything you're saying is actually valid lol...

You're exaggerating like many of the other people in this thread... This isn't about going out to have a few beers and then crying rape. This is about rape. This about teaching people that it's not ok to *** someone that is unconscious or barely able to walk or speak. This is about cleaning up places like college campus' that literally cover up rape cases to protect the raper or protect the schools reputation. This is about opening up a dialogue.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-01 09:56:51
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Look Nausi... You've said yourself... You know this is a dangerous situation for you now and who else is responsible for your own well being besides yourself? Don't put yourself in that situation and you're fine. Put yourself in that situation and you know you're kinda bringing it on yourself...

You find it easy enough to give part of the blame to someone for getting raped so why is this not your fault at all for knowingly putting yourself in a situation that could lead to the outcome you fear?
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By Ramyrez 2014-10-01 09:58:10
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Look Nausi... You've said yourself... You know this is a dangerous situation for you now and who else is responsible for your own well being besides yourself? Don't put yourself in that situation and you're fine. Put yourself in that situation and you know you're kinda bringing it on yourself...

To paraphrase an episode of Firefly:

He'll have to rely on his winning personality to get women. God help him.
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By Nazrious 2014-10-01 10:11:22
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Sigh. Its sad people thousands of years ago got it better than us.

No sex out of wedlock, unless with prostitutes. If your wife claims rape you got bigger problems then consent. With a Prostitute details are often worked out before hand.

Public drunkenness is stupid on the part of both parties.
Casual sex is stupid on the part of both parties.

Going to clubs or bars looking for anything other than drama is stupid on the part of both parties.

Rights are illusions, stupidity is real. Get it together people.

There is always shared culpability in all things. Some time the split is 99% on one party and 1% on the other, sometimes its the reverse.

Live life like everyone is out for themselves and every thing you do has consequences, because this is the reality we live in.
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There is always shared culpability in all things.

Let me know when someone you love gets raped, kidnapped, murdered, or otherwise violated by some psychopath, then get back to us.

Edit: Then again, judging by the rest of your statement, I'm not sure that "love" is a feeling you're overly-familiar with, so...well, I guess it might be a moot point.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-01 10:16:29
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Nazrious said: »
There is always shared culpability in all things. Some time the split is 99% on one party and 1% on the other, sometimes its the reverse.
That's just false unless you consider existing as a part of sharing in the culpability of all things.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-10-01 10:18:14
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Take something as potent and explosive as a young male's sexual drive, mix it with alcohol, add some eye candy like dancing flirty skimpy dressed 18-25 year old women and expect everything to be as refined as a corporate meeting discussing and negotiating a large sale transaction - sounds like a plan.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
This is absolutely insane.

Both of you got drunk and had sex, well no worries right? You BOTH rapped each other. Throw that in front of a jury and see how much sympathy they can drum up for the guy.

I guess our prisons weren't crowded enough.

The feminazis are one step closer to their utopia of all men being criminals
Hey man... you're naivety got you into that situation in the first place... you only have yourself to blame...

As usual, efforts to make a point are wasted on you. Is there someone else responsible for your safety aside from yourself?

Yeah, who would have thought that we would live in a society that passes laws would make going out to have a few beers and get laid such a treacherous activity.
You didn't make a point... You just tried to shift blame on to the victim. Just because you don't understand that since someone is drunk or dressed a certain way and at a bar or something doesn't give you the right to *** them doesn't mean anything you're saying is actually valid lol...

You're exaggerating like many of the other people in this thread... This isn't about going out to have a few beers and then crying rape. This is about rape. This about teaching people that it's not ok to *** someone that is unconscious or barely able to walk or speak. This is about cleaning up places like college campus' that literally cover up rape cases to protect the raper or protect the schools reputation. This is about opening up a dialogue.

Idiotic as always.

Pointing out that the guy who was hit by a car J-walking in the street wouldn't have been hit by the car if he wasn't J-walking is not equivalent to "blaming the victim". He is still a victim of some jerk who's too busy to drive carefully, even if he was entirely capable of avoiding the risk to begin with.

I've engaged in the kind of drunk sex where I was too drunk to say no before. I mean like I was still there watching and remembering the show but because I was so intoxicated, I had lost any reserve of self control. I did not plan on having the encounter at the beginning of the night and if I wasn't so intoxicated I would have pushed the girl off me and declined the encounter.

I can see how she certainly took advantage of my drunken state, but I cannot ever rationalize the word "rape" as a description of my experience.

Now that a law like this has passed, I could literally throw the girl in jail for the experience. That's pretty *** up IMO.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Look Nausi... You've said yourself... You know this is a dangerous situation for you now and who else is responsible for your own well being besides yourself? Don't put yourself in that situation and you're fine. Put yourself in that situation and you know you're kinda bringing it on yourself...

You find it easy enough to give part of the blame to someone for getting raped so why is this not your fault at all for knowingly putting yourself in a situation that could lead to the outcome you fear?

I never said it wasn't did I? This is kinda where I point out that you're putting words in my mouth.
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