Random Politics & Religion #00

Language: JP EN DE FR
New Items
2023-11-19
users online
Forum » Everything Else » Politics and Religion » Random Politics & Religion #00
Random Politics & Religion #00
First Page 2 3 ... 90 91 92 ... 1375 1376 1377
Offline
Posts: 42635
By Jetackuu 2014-09-01 16:41:38
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Neocons backpedaling:

 Leviathan.Chaosx
Offline
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: ChaosX128
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-01 17:08:25
Link | Quote | Reply
 
What is a neocon by your definition?
[+]
 Shiva.Nikolce
Offline
Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
user: Nikolce
Posts: 20130
By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-09-01 17:12:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
What is a neocon by your definition?

a polite euphemism for nazi
[+]
 Bismarck.Bloodrose
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Bloodrose
Posts: 4322
By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-09-01 17:18:14
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
What is a neocon by your definition?

a polite euphemism for Nikolce
FTFY
[+]
 Garuda.Chanti
Offline
Server: Garuda
Game: FFXI
user: Chanti
Posts: 11095
By Garuda.Chanti 2014-09-01 17:21:13
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
No really what do we import that you HAVE to have!

Truffles and caviar

Typical liberal. We don't HAVE to import caviar. http://www.markys.com/Markys_Caviar_press/2003%20American%20Caviar.html If you want a truffle your probably ***of of luck anyways.
Edit for your Edit: We can grow and produce most likely 95% of anything you would want.
There are sturgeon in the Colombia and black truffles in the north west's rainforest....
[+]
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 17:29:08
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
For two people who like to regularly criticize the reading comprehension of others, you both really have a knack for missing the point in such a fantastic manner.
Odin.Jassik said: »
So now you're changing your tune when faced with the obvious fascism it represents. Bravo, backpedaling like a boss.

Yet to see a point or something even resembling a rational response. All you've given so far is, we only grow corn and you deserve truffles.

-Socialism: You have two cows, the government takes one cow and gives it to your neighbor.
-Communism: You have two cows, the government takes both and gives you part of the milk.
-Fascism: You have two cows, the government takes both, and sells you the milk.
-Nazism: You have two cows, the government takes both and shoots you.
-Bureaucracy: You have two cows, the government takes both, shoot one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain.
-Corporationism: You have two cows, corporations buy cows then send both cows to China, China milks cow and sells u the milk.
-Capitalism: You have two cows, you sell one, buy a bull, have calves,milk the cow, sell the offspring and and the milk.

Conservatives support capitalism and to an extent a degree of Corporationism because they are your cows you can do whatever you want with them.
Liberals support all the rest because they can't think for themselves.
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 17:30:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-01 17:39:03
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 17:50:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.

It wasn't very good that's for sure. Keep thinking it was though that just makes it even more hilarious.
 Cerberus.Pleebo
Offline
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
user: Pleebo
Posts: 9720
By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-01 17:52:09
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.
Arguments need to be expressed as dairy-themed metaphors for them to connect, apparently.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 17:58:02
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.
Arguments need to be expressed as dairy-themed metaphors for them to connect, apparently.

His only argument was that the USA only produce's corn, and he wants truffles, but he thinks he made a valid point about free enterprise. Even though it turns out the USA HAS TRUFFLES! Since you rush to his defense you're just as bad as him. Which we already all knew anyways.
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-01 18:03:05
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.
Arguments need to be expressed as dairy-themed metaphors for them to connect, apparently.

His only argument was that the USA only produce's corn, and he wants truffles, but he thinks he made a valid point about free enterprise. Even though it turns out the USA HAS TRUFFLES! Since you rush to his defense you're just as bad as him. Which we already all knew anyways.

I made the point that without limiting free enterprise, you can't grow everything Americans may want. We don't produce enough food to feed all of America and we still have to pay farmers NOT to grow food simply to keep them afloat. The only way to make producing all of our own food viable is to limit people's access to other markets. Once again, you're happy to limit only the freedoms you don't care about. That's what makes you a neocon.

And for all your posturing about life skills, you failed at the one thing that America pays people to do poorly.
[+]
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-01 18:06:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.
Arguments need to be expressed as dairy-themed metaphors for them to connect, apparently.

*** best step the *** off my camembert and brie!

Dude probably has never made schwarzwalder kirschtorte in his life either! Real kirschwasser is hard to come by in the US BTW!
[+]
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 18:10:34
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
north west's rainforest

Oh wow I didn't know we had truffles. Guess that makes Jassik completely wrong.

LOL, as if you had a clue what my point was.
Arguments need to be expressed as dairy-themed metaphors for them to connect, apparently.

His only argument was that the USA only produce's corn, and he wants truffles, but he thinks he made a valid point about free enterprise. Even though it turns out the USA HAS TRUFFLES! Since you rush to his defense you're just as bad as him. Which we already all knew anyways.

I made the point that without limiting free enterprise, you can't grow everything Americans may want. We don't produce enough food to feed all of America and we still have to pay farmers NOT to grow food simply to keep them afloat. The only way to make producing all of our own food viable is to limit people's access to other markets. Once again, you're happy to limit only the freedoms you don't care about. That's what makes you a neocon.

And for all your posturing about life skills, you failed at the one thing that America pays people to do poorly.

The fact that this is totally wrong makes your entire statement null and void.
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 18:17:37
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
schwarzwalder kirschtorte

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/black-forest-gateau-schwarzwalder-kirschtorte-recipe.html#!

All the ingredients can be grown in THE USA. I can grow almost all of them myself.
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-01 18:33:25
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Care to explain the "price support" system? The old system where the government bought and stored crops that farmers couldn't sell in order to prop them up, then letting them rot in storage to limit the commodities market prices. Or the 2008 farm bill that granted huge holes for farmers growing certain kinds of crops that could be used for biofuel even if they didn't actually sell them?

In fact, the subsidies go so far as to pay people for having lower income, not even tax credits, but direct payments. They're even eligible for food stamps while receiving as much as $65K per year in direct government payouts.
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-01 18:37:53
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
schwarzwalder kirschtorte

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/black-forest-gateau-schwarzwalder-kirschtorte-recipe.html#!

All the ingredients can be grown in THE USA. I can grow almost all of them myself.

Hate to break it to you, buddy. It's not the same. It's the species of cherry trees that only lives in an accommodating climate. Even the cream isn't the same. Good try though.

/pats on back

Aren't you a farmer or something?
[+]
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 18:54:40
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
schwarzwalder kirschtorte

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/black-forest-gateau-schwarzwalder-kirschtorte-recipe.html#!

All the ingredients can be grown in THE USA. I can grow almost all of them myself.

Hate to break it to you, buddy. It's not the same. It's the species of cherry trees that only lives in an accommodating climate. Even the cream isn't the same. Good try though.

/pats on back

Aren't you a farmer or something?

Oh my bad it won't taste exactly the same, maybe you should move to that area of the world just so you can have the specific taste you want. Screw everything else right!
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 18:56:02
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Care to explain the "price support" system? The old system where the government bought and stored crops that farmers couldn't sell in order to prop them up, then letting them rot in storage to limit the commodities market prices. Or the 2008 farm bill that granted huge holes for farmers growing certain kinds of crops that could be used for biofuel even if they didn't actually sell them?

In fact, the subsidies go so far as to pay people for having lower income, not even tax credits, but direct payments. They're even eligible for food stamps while receiving as much as $65K per year in direct government payouts.

You mean the system that is currently broken beyond repair. For exactly the reasons I've been commenting about..
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-01 18:57:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Care to explain the "price support" system? The old system where the government bought and stored crops that farmers couldn't sell in order to prop them up, then letting them rot in storage to limit the commodities market prices. Or the 2008 farm bill that granted huge holes for farmers growing certain kinds of crops that could be used for biofuel even if they didn't actually sell them?

In fact, the subsidies go so far as to pay people for having lower income, not even tax credits, but direct payments. They're even eligible for food stamps while receiving as much as $65K per year in direct government payouts.

You mean the system that is currently broken beyond repair. For exactly the reasons I've been commenting about..

So... Farmers are getting paid specifically to not sell their crops or not grow them at all in order to keep prices high enough to be profitable, but we should totally grow a ton more food nobody wants to buy. Makes perfect sense.
[+]
 Odin.Zicdeh
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-09-01 19:01:38
Link | Quote | Reply
 
For a group of people all about the mythos of the bootstraps, Conservatives like to *** about getting dealt a bad hand by big bad Gubbmint.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 19:12:31
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Care to explain the "price support" system? The old system where the government bought and stored crops that farmers couldn't sell in order to prop them up, then letting them rot in storage to limit the commodities market prices. Or the 2008 farm bill that granted huge holes for farmers growing certain kinds of crops that could be used for biofuel even if they didn't actually sell them?

In fact, the subsidies go so far as to pay people for having lower income, not even tax credits, but direct payments. They're even eligible for food stamps while receiving as much as $65K per year in direct government payouts.

You mean the system that is currently broken beyond repair. For exactly the reasons I've been commenting about..

So... Farmers are getting paid specifically to not sell their crops or not grow them at all in order to keep prices high enough to be profitable, but we should totally grow a ton more food nobody wants to buy. Makes perfect sense.

I've been defending the angle that the USA can produce enough food for everyone in it, even by stopping the importation of food overseas. You've just been talking out you *** about anything you feel contradicts my point, and have been failing the entire time.

Its not my fault the only way you know how to debate is to talk in circles.
 Odin.Jassik
VIP
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Jassik
Posts: 9534
By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-01 19:16:44
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Care to explain the "price support" system? The old system where the government bought and stored crops that farmers couldn't sell in order to prop them up, then letting them rot in storage to limit the commodities market prices. Or the 2008 farm bill that granted huge holes for farmers growing certain kinds of crops that could be used for biofuel even if they didn't actually sell them?

In fact, the subsidies go so far as to pay people for having lower income, not even tax credits, but direct payments. They're even eligible for food stamps while receiving as much as $65K per year in direct government payouts.

You mean the system that is currently broken beyond repair. For exactly the reasons I've been commenting about..

So... Farmers are getting paid specifically to not sell their crops or not grow them at all in order to keep prices high enough to be profitable, but we should totally grow a ton more food nobody wants to buy. Makes perfect sense.

I've been defending the angle that the USA can produce enough food for everyone in it, even by stopping the importation of food overseas. You've just been talking out you *** about anything you feel contradicts my point, and have been failing the entire time.

Its not my fault the only way you know how to debate is to talk in circles.

I agreed that we could produce enough food to feed everyone, but only by limiting people's access to other markets. I guess another method would be socializing all the farms, I'm sure you don't support that. You're backed into a corner... Either you support limiting producers and consumers ability to meet on an open market or you support continuing to pay farmers not to produce a product.
 Leviathan.Chaosx
Offline
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: ChaosX128
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-01 19:17:14
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Obama - You didn't raise, feed, and milk those cows.
[+]
 Odin.Zicdeh
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-09-01 19:19:52
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Gonna have a hard time producing all that food when the Ogallala Aquifer dries up in the 2020's.

Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Obama - You didn't raise, feed, and milk those cows.

He didn't personally take them away either. Be less stupid.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 4394
By Altimaomega 2014-09-01 19:20:42
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Care to explain the "price support" system? The old system where the government bought and stored crops that farmers couldn't sell in order to prop them up, then letting them rot in storage to limit the commodities market prices. Or the 2008 farm bill that granted huge holes for farmers growing certain kinds of crops that could be used for biofuel even if they didn't actually sell them?

In fact, the subsidies go so far as to pay people for having lower income, not even tax credits, but direct payments. They're even eligible for food stamps while receiving as much as $65K per year in direct government payouts.

You mean the system that is currently broken beyond repair. For exactly the reasons I've been commenting about..

So... Farmers are getting paid specifically to not sell their crops or not grow them at all in order to keep prices high enough to be profitable, but we should totally grow a ton more food nobody wants to buy. Makes perfect sense.

I've been defending the angle that the USA can produce enough food for everyone in it, even by stopping the importation of food overseas. You've just been talking out you *** about anything you feel contradicts my point, and have been failing the entire time.

Its not my fault the only way you know how to debate is to talk in circles.

I agreed that we could produce enough food to feed everyone, but only by limiting people's access to other markets. I guess another method would be socializing all the farms, I'm sure you don't support that. You're backed into a corner... Either you support limiting producers and consumers ability to meet on an open market or you support continuing to pay farmers not to produce a product.

And I said stop importing food from overseas and this problem would solve itself. Then you said "but I don't like corn". need I repeat myself over and over. or can you learn to read.
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-01 19:22:07
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Altimaomega said: »
Oh my bad it won't taste exactly the same, maybe you should move to that area of the world just so you can have the specific taste you want. Screw everything else right!

Or maybe, to bring Jassik's earlier point 'round to home, you shouldn't be bitching when people pay a little extra for quality, whether it may be an import or not?

Maybe you should consider a BS in Ag Science, considering a few of the bombs dropped in this thread and a couple of others?

I'll stick to my Argentinian wines also. Terrified of AmishOmega's terlet wine.
 Leviathan.Chaosx
Offline
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
user: ChaosX128
Posts: 20284
By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-01 19:22:16
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Conservatives like to *** about the big bad Gubbmint rigging the deck in favor of thier donors.
Ftfy
[+]
 Odin.Zicdeh
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-09-01 19:23:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Like most people, Altimaomega is only concerned with what benefits him personally the most. Someone is gonna get dicked over in the system eventually, because power and resources are never distributed evenly or fairly.

Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Conservatives like to *** about the big bad Gubbmint rigging the deck in favor of thier donors.
Ftfy

Fair enough.

Though I find it strange you sing the praises of Russia when in twenty years they've reached a point of Capitalist corruption that took the United States 200 years to reach.
[+]
First Page 2 3 ... 90 91 92 ... 1375 1376 1377
Log in to post.