Random Politics & Religion #00

Arguing to argue. We realize that ***is stupid and wrong, but apparently the proper way to oppose the sentiment is with a Care Bear care beam. No matter. Bigots lose in the long run one way or another.

A cute little out of date tool you mean.

With gas now $1.50 or below, once again Electric cars are obsolete. Including the price and maintenance they are extremely more expensive to drive. Sure when gas was up in the $4-$5 range they became a little more feasible.

Those poor people that you are always wanting to help. You know that class of people that has gotten larger under Obamas watch.. When they can go out and buy a POS for 2k and put 2 dollar gas in it compared to going out and not getting approved on a loan for a 40k Electric car so they can get 1.25 per gal/ele. What are you expecting here?

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »

Arguing to argue.

You mean what you do all of the time?

So, it's not about bringing about a lasting change in the right way, it's about winning. Glad we got that cleared up.

Not going to answer huh.. Didn't think so. How open-minded of you.

Lol, really? Those two aren't mutually exclusive. Bigots should and will be laughed at.

No amount of self-righteousness can change the definition of "bigotry".

There's an implied sense of self-righteousness that comes with not being a bigot. It doesn't bother me :)

At least you understand why we laugh at you now.

We know.

And he continues to just not get it.

Do you also like fish sticks?

Shrimp nibbles @ white castle are pretty good...

We have known this about nausi forever, he believes in the wall, he believes we are letting in rapists and terrorists by the truckload, he eats up all the trump propaganda and dreams about voting for the guy. Although lately he is trying to get behind Cruz, who is equally delusional.
There isn't going to be a wall. There aren't going to be any restrictions on legal immigration, there will be no religion test. They wouldn't even make it out of one chamber of Congress, much less get by the States, or the courts.

Actually, Trumps base is exactly like Sanders and Clintons base. Uniformed band-wagoners that only pay attention to grandiose claims that lead to things they want to see achieved. At least Trump wants to better America and not turn it into a socialist state.

What policy has Trump proposed that would better America?

Making it great again duh!

Oh em gee, like, stop ridiculing me and help me understand your legitimate viewpoint.

Giving America the same awful rug toupee he wears.

Repealing the ACA is all he has to do. Can take the other 3 years and 363 days off. Still would be better than Obama.

Maybe you should try your own advise..

Every GOP candidate is running on that platform, thats just a cop out. What policy unique to Trump has he proposed that would make a better America?

I get that you don't like ACA, but how would it make America BETTER?

ACA does a lot of things that objectively make life better for all Americans like making it illegal to deny insurance for pre-existing conditions and dropping insurance if they make a claim.

Nope not a cop out. A cop out is you not ever posting anything relevant and thinking I need to justify anything to you. You want me to go more in depth tell me who you would vote for and why.


Other than letting insurance companies compete outside state lines and drive down the cost of insurance for everyone and end an unconstitutional life tax...? Business would hopefully start hiring full time employees instead of part time since they don't have to skirt the ACA laws now.

The damage may already be done in that regard however, now that they know they can hire two employees for the price of one.



Fairly certain dropping insurance if someone makes a claim was illegal before the ACA. As for pre-existing conditions, something else can be done for that, making everyone in America pay thousands of dollars in tax penalties is not the answer.

Allowing insurance companies to compete nationwide doesn't require repealing ACA. SCotUS said it was constitutional, so there's that. But, wouldn't it be better to change parts of the law you dislike rather than repeal it and all the protections of it and all the previous patient protections in existence out of spite?

Also, companies are actually hiring more full-time positions now than they were before the crash. That doesn't mean they wouldn't hire even more without ACA, but you can't claim that ACA is the only factor in employment trends over the last 5 years.

Odd, I reread my post an never claimed that..

Then why isn't it done?

They said it was unconstitutional unless it was called a tax.. Taxes themselves are borderline unconstitutional.

Repeal the life tax and the parts forcing everyone to have a product they don't want and call it a day. That would kill it though, but it is already dying anyways.. Maybe the democrats that passed the POS should have read it.

citation needed.

lol, well maybe someone more informed than altima can answer the question later. His baseless accusations are always good for a laugh tho.

huh, vic doing the ole cop out again. Who didn't see that coming?

I didn't cop out lol. I asked a genuine question and you set conditions for answering, well nobody gives a ***about your conditions. If you don't want to answer thats fine, I think everyone can see you don't have an actual answer. I already told you weeks ago I hadn't decided who I am voting for yet. But you don't get to set the conversation, and your *** claims that I don't post anything are meaningless. Nobody has to meet your standards of posting.

But apparently they have to meet yours. /drops mic.

Not at all, but nice try.

You have a lot of conjecture and misinformation here. Repealing a law requires a supermajority in both houses of congress. Which means republicans will either have to win ~2/3 of both house and the presidency or stop stonewalling and come to the table with real alternatives. That's why the law hasn't been changed and why even Trump won't be able to get rid of it. PPACA is sticking around, and many of the states that initially opposed expanding medicaid as a way to try and make it insolvent are now introducing bills to do so under public pressure from even conservatives who feel that they're getting the short end of the stick.

I don't particularly like ACA, it's weak and ineffective in a lot of ways. I don't particularly like single payer systems, either. But, the thing I like far less is the old system. And you can't expect people to support tearing down the system if you don't have a real alternative besides "let insurance companies compete across state lines", because there's no reason that couldn't be added to ACA and it alone won't fix anything.