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Random Politics & Religion #00
Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Or maybe the warming in the ocean has very little to do with CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Maybe there are like underwater volcanoes in the ocean or some other unseen factor heating up the oceans as well. Only Pleebo would be so arrogant as to suggest that doubting his comprehension of the issue would be akin to "believing in magic". Who am I kidding, there's plenty more than Pleebo.
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Underwater volcanoes that can only heat the surface of the ocean or mystic, unseen forces sounds pretty magical to me.
If there was a heat source at the bottom of the ocean why wouldn't that heat rise to the top? Hot fluids rise don't they?
I never said mystic, only unseen as in unknown or unobserved. Please continue to spout "the science is settled" like the fool you are.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Underwater volcanoes that can only heat the surface of the ocean or mystic, unseen forces sounds pretty magical to me. could be aliens.... they could be focusing an invisible magnifying glass on it. /hands you a spare tin foil hat the tin foil reflects the beams so they can't burn us up like ants
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Science is never settled. It's an infinite ongoing process until you reach a unified singularity that can never be observed, hence the infiniticity.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Right, pointing out how incorrect one side has been has nothing to do with it, the skeptics are just "flat-earthers" and bible thumpers. For example, an increase in underwater volcanoes/vents could be postulated as a potential concept for explaining increased temperatures. A rather straightforward and simple calculation can give you a rough order of magnitude of how much heat would be required to heat the first 3 meters of seawater by 1 degree C, which you can then use to estimate how large the undiscovered underwater volcanoes/thermal vents could be. This link can give you some idea of the scale of how much volume an area a lava flow impacts, and the relative temperatures (also noting that a non-insignificant amount of energy is used on converting some of the water directly to steam). Needless to say, it is a very low probability that unknown undersea volcanoes are a contender as a feasible alternate driver. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » If there was a heat source at the bottom of the ocean why wouldn't that heat rise to the top? Hot fluids rise don't they? I never said mystic, only unseen as in unknown or unobserved. Please continue to spout "the science is settled" like the fool you are.  Thermal conduction doesn't work that way. What unknown force would be heating the surface of the ocean? More specifically, what factor could have great enough influence to warm enormous amounts of water yet be elusive enough to escape our detection?
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Skepticism is now equivalent to bible thumping?!
Put down the Koolaid, you've had too much.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: » What unknown force would be heating the surface of the ocean? well I'm sure you'll let us know when you finish exploring the entire ocean floor to rule everything else out jacques cousteau... Ragnarok.Nausi said: » If there was a heat source at the bottom of the ocean why wouldn't that heat rise to the top? Hot fluids rise don't they? I never said mystic, only unseen as in unknown or unobserved. Please continue to spout "the science is settled" like the fool you are. This doesn't necessarily correlate with temperature (for more details, read more on thermoclines, and remember that water is most dense around 4C). There are generally a number of other flow patterns in play in oceans. Although an active-enough source could very likely cause disruption of normal flow patterns with some kind of convection cell. It's all a matter of scale. Maybe Nikolce just hates some certain sea creatures so much he developed an orbiting space platform to
THERE'S ONE!!! YouTube Video Placeholder It's called convection. Hot water moves to the top, cold water sinks to the bottom. Same reason why top floor units in apartment buildings are warmer than those on the bottom.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » It's called convection. Hot water moves to the top, cold water sinks to the bottom. Same reason why top floor units in apartment buildings are warmer than those on the bottom. Cerberus.Pleebo said: » Underwater volcanoes that can only heat the surface of the ocean or mystic, unseen forces sounds pretty magical to me. Heat magically rises.
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Here's 176 more back and forths on climate change if you can't wait until tomorrow's argument
Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » It's called convection. Hot water moves to the top, cold water sinks to the bottom. Same reason why top floor units in apartment buildings are warmer than those on the bottom. Water and hot water are delivered to their user sources in lines, so no, not by that logic at all. However if there was ONE single tank of water that traversed the entire height of the apartment building, and had no external heating source, and each floor was restricted to an output in relation to its floor, then yes the top floor units would get warmer water than the bottom floor units. Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » It's called convection. Hot water moves to the top, cold water sinks to the bottom. Same reason why top floor units in apartment buildings are warmer than those on the bottom. Bahamut.Milamber said: » Given you don't understand logic.
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » It's less dense than water. As water freezes, it expands. This same change in density breaks pipes open when they freeze. Shiva.Nikolce said: » Here's 176 more back and forths on climate change if you can't wait until tomorrow's argument We haven't even touched on the sun here. How would the sun effect the temperature of the earth? Sounds like bible thumping flat earther talk to me!
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Altimaomega said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Here's 176 more back and forths on climate change if you can't wait until tomorrow's argument We haven't even touched on the sun here. How would the sun effect the temperature of the earth? Sounds like bible thumping flat earther talk to me! But the science is settled on the sun, we know 100% everything about it and there is no way it can be responsible for this.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: » However if there was ONE single tank of water that traversed the entire height of the apartment building, and had no external heating source, and each floor was restricted to an output in relation to its floor, then yes the top floor units would get warmer water than the bottom floor units.
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Altimaomega said: » I hope its a troll too, but just last Friday he was backing that the earth had warmed almost 10 degrees centigrade since the mid 80s. Yeah we'll just all run in the same direction to slow the earth's rotation down a little which should allow us a window to fire a bunch of rockets pointing up at the same time to alter our orbit just enough to cool us back off when it gets too hot... that way we can keep burning coal.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » It's less dense than water. As water freezes, it expands. This same change in density breaks pipes open when they freeze. The point is, saying that Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Hot fluids rise don't they? Which is why all kinds of fun happen when you are in micro-g/zero-g environments.
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » It's less dense than water. As water freezes, it expands. This same change in density breaks pipes open when they freeze. The point is, saying that Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Hot fluids rise don't they? Which is why all kinds of fun happen when you are in micro-g/zero-g environments. Well ya the pressure that occurs from pipes freezing is what causes them to burst, as water freezes it looks to occupy X more space. In a length of existing pipe, it doesn't have it. So as one section freezes the breakage will occur at the point where the pressure is greater than the integrity of the pipe. This is not always at the "weakest" section of the supply line system which is almost always a soldered joint (in copper water lines anyways). Anyways, just because there are more factors involved in how the ocean works than convection, doesn't mean that we know everything about it. Convection plays a role as does changes in density. Moreover there are most certainly influences that are exerted in which we have little understanding of, case in point your not knowing as precisely as I do how pipes freeze. I'm sure someone knows more about it than I do as well. |
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