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Gay Fascism on HGTV
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-11 10:59:43
Here's a good old story from the Huffington Post:
The Strange, Strange Story of the Gay Fascists
An excerpt:
Quote: The idea of a gay fascist seems ridiculous. Yet when the British National Party - our own home-grown Holocaust-denying bigots - announced it was fielding an openly gay candidate in the European elections this June, dedicated followers of fascism didn't blink. The twisted truth is that gay men have been at the heart of every major fascist movement that ever was - including the gay-gassing, homo-cidal Third Reich. With the exception of Jean-Marie Le Pen, all the most high-profile fascists in Europe in the past thirty years have been gay. It's time to admit something. Fascism isn't something that happens out there, a nasty habit acquired by the straight boys. It is - in part, at least - a gay thing, and it's time for non-fascist gay people to wake up and face the marching music.
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By Sylph.Shipp 2014-05-11 11:02:23
Ragnarok.Yatenkou said: »As I stated before: Christian and I'm ok with homosexuality. Does that mean I'm an idiot? No, it means you also cherry pick the bible along with the rest of Jesus' fanclub.  As long as he smokes menthols, I'm cool with him. Can do without his fanclub, though.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-11 11:35:22
Also how has there been 7 pages on 'Gay Fascism' without mention of this guy:
Ernst Röhm
Quote: Röhm and the SA regarded themselves as the vanguard of the "National Socialist revolution". After Hitler's takeover they expected radical changes in Germany including power and rewards for themselves, unaware that Hitler as Chancellor now no longer needed their street-fighting expertise as storm troopers. However, Hitler did name Röhm to the cabinet on 1 December as a minister without portfolio. Quote: Under Röhm, the SA also often took the side of workers in strikes and other labor disputes, attacking strikebreakers and supporting picket lines. SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of left-wing parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines. One American journalist would later write, "[Röhm's] chiefs, men of the rank of Gruppenfuehrer or Obergruppenfuehrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual, he had no chance of advancement." In 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, obtained and published Röhm's letters to a friend discussing his homosexual affairs.
By Lye 2014-05-11 12:18:30
Here and I thought all those gay storm trooper fan-fics were being original.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-11 12:49:41
Here and I thought all those gay storm trooper fan-fics were being original. Nope, it's been done before. History does tend to repeat itself, etc.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2014-05-11 12:50:41
Ragnarok.Yatenkou said: »As I stated before: Christian and I'm ok with homosexuality. Does that mean I'm an idiot? No, it means you also cherry pick the bible along with the rest of Jesus' fanclub. 
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-11 12:58:01
I'm liking the 'Good Guy Jesus' with the blunt.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-05-12 20:41:16
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-12 23:44:45
I'm still trying to figure out how this is fascism or a violation of anyone's rights.
People should not be placed atop a court whether it be a legal one or a public one in the metaphorical sense with regards to their opinions and points-of-view.
There's a famous Nazi film that comes to mind, I believe Triumph of the Will(someone feel free to correct me on the title). It's show in many art history and film university courses for that reason. It's a controversial point of view that no one agreed with for which it was never shown for many years. It also prevented the film's director from receiving an award for the cinematography.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-12 23:56:12
Just going to have to disagree, we rip on organizations all the time for their distorted views, or bigoted mindsets, there's no reason why when a public person makes their views public, why we can't shun them for the bigot they are.
It doesn't add up.
By Fumiku 2014-05-13 04:47:38
Just going to have to disagree, we rip on organizations all the time for their distorted views, or bigoted mindsets, there's no reason why when a public person makes their views public, why we can't shun them for the bigot they are.
It doesn't add up.
Cause it's not bigoted to realize that the genetic code of homosexuality is a medical defect?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 06:13:02
Just going to have to disagree, we rip on organizations all the time for their distorted views, or bigoted mindsets, there's no reason why when a public person makes their views public, why we can't shun them for the bigot they are.
It doesn't add up.
Cause it's not bigoted to realize that the genetic code of homosexuality is a medical defect? What genetic code specifically?
Wasn't aware they found the 'gay gene.'
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By Ragnarok.Tatsiki 2014-05-13 06:16:41
Just going to have to disagree, we rip on organizations all the time for their distorted views, or bigoted mindsets, there's no reason why when a public person makes their views public, why we can't shun them for the bigot they are.
It doesn't add up.
Cause it's not bigoted to realize that the genetic code of homosexuality is a medical defect? What genetic code specifically?
Wasn't aware they found the 'gay gene.'
Actually it was at one point believed that the cause of homosexuality in a man was the lacking of testosterone in a man's body.
But
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-13 07:35:41
Just going to have to disagree, we rip on organizations all the time for their distorted views, or bigoted mindsets, there's no reason why when a public person makes their views public, why we can't shun them for the bigot they are.
It doesn't add up.
Cause it's not bigoted to realize that the genetic code of homosexuality is a medical defect? If it's a medical defect, then at some point in time, we're all screwed when it becomes a dominant gene.
Fortunately for the rest of the world, your comment is as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE as it gets.
Make your opinion public, and it's going to face public scrutiny, plain and simple. Sometimes that leads to legal or civil court challenges.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 08:27:37
According to the latest research there is no 'gay gene.' It's epigenetic.
Scientists May Have Finally Unlocked Puzzle of Why People Are Gay
By Fumiku 2014-05-13 09:34:33
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Blah blah blah ignores reality and tosses insult. Typical bloodrose cliche response. Damn wasted too much time on this response.
By Fumiku 2014-05-13 10:05:07
That is true. Didn't feel like typing huge long response last night. It's just that I get tired of people, when defending homosexuality do so by pointing out other people as bigots because most people defend it on religion and believe it to be a personal choice. There is another ally that doesn't get much attention and most ignore such as you seen with Bloodrose and that is the medical side of why people are born as a homosexual.
All you need to look at is a hermaphrodite. How is it one person can be born with a male top and female bottom or female top and male bottom or both male and female bottoms? If this can happen then surely on an emotional level you can be born with a man's body and female's desires and vice verse.
Homosexuality, while not a choice, is a defect in the "genetic coding process" (Epigentics). Essentially, you were to be one sex and became that sex physically, but mentally you were "programmed" to be the other.
The problem is, that we are not at a stage technologically speaking, to be able to eradicate that coding error on a medical level. So what do you do with people that are "Born this way"
Being born homosexual doesn't mean you can't contribute. It doesn't mean you shouldn't have a job. It also doesn't mean that you are a bad person and shouldn't have rights. Even though on a medical level there is defect, society has to get together to decide what they find acceptable at this time.
It also doesn't make one bigoted to realize that there are issues with human reproduction that produce anomalies, but it's just that, a deviation from the standard that should probably be fixed when technology is available.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 10:10:54
That is true. Didn't feel like typing huge long response last night. It's just that I get tired of people, when defending homosexuality do so by pointing out other people as bigots because most people defend it on religion and believe it to be a personal choice. There is another ally that doesn't get much attention and most ignore such as you seen with Bloodrose and that is the medical side of why people are born as a homosexual.
All you need to look at is a hermaphrodite. How is it one person can be born with a male top and female bottom or female top and male bottom or both male and female bottoms? If this can happen then surely on an emotional level you can be born with a man's body and female's desires and vice verse.
Homosexuality, while not a choice, is a defect in the "genetic coding process" (Epigentics). Essentially, you were to be one sex and became that sex physically, but mentally you were "programmed" to be the other.
The problem is, that we are not at a stage technologically speaking, to be able to eradicate that coding error on a medical level. So what do you do with people that are "Born this way"
Being born homosexual doesn't mean you can't contribute. It doesn't mean you shouldn't have a job. It also doesn't mean that you are a bad person and shouldn't have rights. Even though on a medical level there is defect, society has to get together to decide what they find acceptable at this time.
It also doesn't make one bigoted to realize that there are issues with human reproduction that produce anomalies, but is just that a deviation from the standard that should probably be fixed when technology is available. Not sure if it was this article, but the main reason it isn't widely publicized is simple fear of people aborting unwanted babies with the 'defect.'
Kinda like how what's her face removed one of her breasts because she had the coding for breast cancer. Rather than worry about epigenetics and eat healthy.
By Fumiku 2014-05-13 10:18:53
That is true. Didn't feel like typing huge long response last night. It's just that I get tired of people, when defending homosexuality do so by pointing out other people as bigots because most people defend it on religion and believe it to be a personal choice. There is another ally that doesn't get much attention and most ignore such as you seen with Bloodrose and that is the medical side of why people are born as a homosexual.
All you need to look at is a hermaphrodite. How is it one person can be born with a male top and female bottom or female top and male bottom or both male and female bottoms? If this can happen then surely on an emotional level you can be born with a man's body and female's desires and vice verse.
Homosexuality, while not a choice, is a defect in the "genetic coding process" (Epigentics). Essentially, you were to be one sex and became that sex physically, but mentally you were "programmed" to be the other.
The problem is, that we are not at a stage technologically speaking, to be able to eradicate that coding error on a medical level. So what do you do with people that are "Born this way"
Being born homosexual doesn't mean you can't contribute. It doesn't mean you shouldn't have a job. It also doesn't mean that you are a bad person and shouldn't have rights. Even though on a medical level there is defect, society has to get together to decide what they find acceptable at this time.
It also doesn't make one bigoted to realize that there are issues with human reproduction that produce anomalies, but is just that a deviation from the standard that should probably be fixed when technology is available. Not sure if it was this article, but the main reason it isn't widely publicized is simple fear of people aborting unwanted babies with the 'defect.'
Kinda like how what's her face removed one of her breasts because she had the coding for breast cancer. Rather than worry about epigenetics and eat healthy.
There is still a lot of research to be done on the topic, however if the technology arrives that we can detect sexual preference in the womb before we can control it, than a lot people on here should be happy with the woman's right to choose.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-13 10:19:31
Just because somebody hides behind their religion to be a bigot, it doesn't mean they aren't a bigot.
As for the rest: citation needed.
So get tired all you want.
By Fumiku 2014-05-13 10:20:25
Just because somebody hides behind their religion to be a bigot, it doesn't mean they aren't a bigot.
As for the rest: citation needed.
Article was posted by chaos, you can ignore it if you want.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-13 10:21:47
Just because somebody hides behind their religion to be a bigot, it doesn't mean they aren't a bigot.
As for the rest: citation needed.
Article was posted by chaos, you can ignore it if you want. He posts a lot of crap, I don't have time to read it all. I might take a look later though if I get bored.
By Fumiku 2014-05-13 10:26:21
Just because somebody hides behind their religion to be a bigot, it doesn't mean they aren't a bigot.
As for the rest: citation needed.
Article was posted by chaos, you can ignore it if you want. He posts a lot of crap, I don't have time to read it all. I might take a look later though if I get bored.
Fair enough lol
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/33773/title/Can-Epigenetics-Explain-Homosexuality-/
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 10:29:38
Ignore that which is convenient for you to ignore.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-13 10:30:30
Based on the article Chaos posted, homosexuality is not a birth defect, but a naturally occurring epigenetic correspondence of protections for the mother and the father.
So who's really ignoring reality, when it makes more scientific sense than the "it's genetic" argument?
So yes, your comment about it being labeled a medical defect, when there is no kind of evidence to suggest it, is pretty damn HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. As in it doesn't add to, or progress the topic/argument at hand, and serves to intentionally spread misinformation.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-13 10:32:15
Ignore that which is convenient for you to ignore. no, you just have gotten article happy and I ain't got no time for all of that. I didn't further argue against that point, I'll take it under advisement.
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By Fumiku 2014-05-13 10:33:04
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Based on the article Chaos posted, homosexuality is not a birth defect, but a naturally occurring epigenetic correspondence of protections for the mother and the father.
So who's really ignoring reality, when it makes more scientific sense than the "it's genetic" argument?
So yes, your comment about it being labeled a medical defect, when there is no kind of evidence to suggest it, is pretty damn HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. As in it doesn't add to, or progress the topic/argument at hand, and serves to intentionally spread misinformation.
Why are we born?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-13 10:34:01
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »If it's a medical defect, then at some point in time, we're all screwed when it becomes a dominant gene.
After reading this and succeeding posts, it reminded me of a previous thread. I think it was Ono who brought up cloning and what not, and the possibility of old fashioned reproduction becoming "quaint" in the future.
Personally, the thought of synthetic reproduction makes me squeamish, but who knows what the future holds?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-13 10:35:45
It's not genetic though, that's the real misinformation.
Huge difference between genetic and epigenetic. Dictionary time?
Genetic:
Quote: of, pertaining to, or produced by genes; genic.
of, pertaining to, or influenced by geneses or origins.
Epigenetic:
Quote: noting or pertaining to epigenetics, specifically, the process by which the expression of genetic information is modified on a molecular level without a change to the DNA sequence: the epigenetic inheritance of longevity.
Misinformation occurs by saying it's genetic, meaning it's in the DNA. It's not!
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Quote: HGTV is popular with the gays, so more than a few were scratching their heads when the cable channel announced a pilot featuring two brothers, one of whom—David Benham—has distinctly anti-gay views, as Right Wing Watch reported:
Later, Benham told Mefferd that America’s Christian majority must repent for tolerating abortion rights, no-fault divorce, legal pornography, “homosexuality and its agenda that is attacking the nation” and the “demonic ideologies” that he says have taken over the education system.
After a backlash on the brothers' Facebook page, HGTV cancelled Flip It Forward, which prompted its own backlash with Fox star Megyn Kelly agreeing with Family Research Counil head Tony Perkins that unlike gay people (!), the rights of Christians aren't as "protected and recognized in this country.” On Thursday, CNN’s Reliable Sources host Brian Stelter suggested this could be a thing and that Americans might perceive HGTV’s decision as a sign of intolerance toward intolerance.
“There is a risk, though, I think, of matching perceived intolerance with more intolerance,” Stelter said. “If you are someone at home who’s looking at this thinking, why are they taking away these brothers' TV show simply because of what they believe in the personal life, the answer—part of the answer to that—is diversity in the media.”
Luckily, NPR media critic Eric Deggans jumped in before the nodding CNN host closed out the segment. He disagreed with Stelter, saying that if the prospective hosts had expressed the same views about African-Americans instead of gays they wouldn’t even be having the discussion, nor would the brothers be able to find another network employer.
- See more at: http://www.frontiersla.com/frontiers-blog/2014/05/09/cnn-media-host-thinks-hgtv-scrapping-anti-gays-risks-matching-intolerance-with-more-intolerance#sthash.ekFzQwFR.dpuf
People should be entitled to their views, regardless of how ignorant they may be. It is when they take action in which it physically harms someone or inhibits their civil liberties that there should be consequences. This is very far from the actions of WBC. I would have liked to see such media coverage of WBC from LGBT non-profs and media outlets...just saying. People need to remember freedom of speech is a two way street, and if you are unwilling to protect that liberty for the ignorant and bigoted then freedom of speech as a concept is nothing but a sham.
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