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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 10:33:34
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Playing with Uguly sets. Its not that big of an impovement over Amano99/Masa99. Might even fall behind if you have enough attack to use Fudo/Kaiten after SC damage. Shoha spamming is where it shines so any time you need Shoha this is the GKT for you. (Koga might still be top for Shoha spam, someone else will have to chime in)


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ItemSet 299677


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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-05-04 10:56:42
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Wow I am pleasantly surprised by this. I assumed (and heard initial reports) that Uguly was destroying Amano/Masa. I guess SE just needs to boost the REM base damage by a bit for them to be competitive and for me to be happy again.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 11:05:34
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Bismarck.Amphion said: »
Wow I am pleasantly surprised by this. I assumed (and heard initial reports) that Uguly was destroying Amano/Masa. I guess SE just needs to boost the REM base damage by a bit for them to be competitive and for me to be happy again.


The biggest thing is Kaiten99/Fudo are both better WSs then Shoha when you don't need the attack boost. Better mods, single hit with far superior WS properties.


Uguly also has a less favorable delay.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2013-05-04 11:14:56
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Ugui has been easily outparsing amano99/mythic GK users when we do fracture farming runs by 150k+ accumulated damage over the run.

Seeing amano99/mythic GK users here now using+augmenting this weapon and can't stop raving about it.

Seeing 7k+ shoha spikes from a weapon you can farm points for in 2 evenings is just nuts.
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By Bismarck.Amphion 2013-05-04 11:17:09
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bismarck.Amphion said: »
Wow I am pleasantly surprised by this. I assumed (and heard initial reports) that Uguly was destroying Amano/Masa. I guess SE just needs to boost the REM base damage by a bit for them to be competitive and for me to be happy again.


The biggest thing is Kaiten99/Fudo are both better WSs then Shoha when you don't need the attack boost. Better mods, single hit with far superior WS properties.


Uguly also has a less favorable delay.


Yeah that's all very true, and a reason why I think SE's (possible) plans on letting you use Kaiten/Fudo on other weapons if you have Amano/Masa at 99 are a complete disaster and would put an end to these two beloved weapons. But that horse was already beaten to death in the other thread. I just really hope they wake up and make some smart decisions in the next few updates.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 11:27:15
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
Ugui has been easily outparsing amano99/mythic GK users when we do fracture farming runs by 150k+ accumulated damage over the run.

Seeing amano99/mythic GK users here now using+augmenting this weapon and can't stop raving about it.

Seeing 7k+ shoha spikes from a weapon you can farm points for in 2 evenings is just nuts.


Yeah I have Uguly. Its a beast.

Was trying to define the eyeballing ZOMG 7k Shoha and whats really going on.

Its 7% to 14% ahead of Amano99 on the spreadsheet. But the spread sheet doesn't factor in all of SAMs tools.
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By Cerberus.Demonsgate 2013-05-04 12:33:16
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and that's before your augmenting it so what will it get more attack and acc and a few str ?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 12:38:30
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Cerberus.Demonsgate said: »
and that's before your augmenting it so what will it get more attack and acc and a few str ?


ACC isn't doing much. Attack is minimal at best. STR will make a difference but seems to come very slow from upgrades.
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By Cerberus.Demonsgate 2013-05-04 12:43:07
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but for as easy as it is to aquire atm there is no use finishing my relic /crys
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By Cerberus.Quintow 2013-05-04 12:44:32
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Exactly how *easy is it to acquire? Do a T4/T5 win then spam fracture NM is best?
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By Cerberus.Demonsgate 2013-05-04 12:47:36
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farming plasma is easy enough 2 groups last night got 10,000 plasma so that's 5k a run
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 12:53:18
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GKT just kill the moth for KI (easy win and has a chance to drop the base GKT as well) then just farm plasma.

4-5k per fracture is normal.
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By Cerberus.Quintow 2013-05-04 13:08:05
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Ok, excellent thank you.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2013-05-04 13:12:35
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Wouldnt the new SAM gear from the taru be better for TP pieces? Specifically feet and hands for those without tenryu?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 13:18:36
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Uguly gets pretty sick at Rank14+

Acc+10
Att+14
STR+9
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-04 14:03:33
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no sword strap 6hit?

also call me crazy but I feel that the acc path may be more valuable than atk/str atm
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 14:26:22
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
no sword strap 6hit?

also call me crazy but I feel that the acc path may be more valuable than atk/str atm


SAM can cap haste so don't gain anything from Sword Strap. 25 gear, 12 JA, 43 magic. Duplus also favors WS damage and SAM has a crazy TP/WS ratio.

I debated long and hard on path A vs B and took A. With the weapon already 6 hitting there are numerous ACC swaps you can make with little concern. SAM also has extreme Zanshin rates on misses and double TP from the subsquent hits.


Edit: Those sets in the OP might not even be the best, I was getting very good results on the DPS calc from that set, but did not tweak it.

Edit2: Based on Rank15 being cap. Path B would be 10dex,5acc vs 10str 5att. Definitely glad I took path A.
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By Asura.Karbuncle 2013-05-04 14:27:41
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Uguly gets pretty sick at Rank14+

Acc+10
Att+14
STR+9

Attack+15
Acc+10
STR+10

is rank 15!
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By Asura.Sutebe 2013-05-04 14:36:02
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anyone think of a build with the new bow? if it gets str aug it could be impressive on sam
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 14:48:53
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Asura.Sutebe said: »
anyone think of a build with the new bow? if it gets str aug it could be impressive on sam


An Apex build could be fun but more of a toy. One of the biggest selling points of Namas spam was it was hate free. You could stand behind a mob and just spam Namas with little fear of ever taking hate. You could also avoid the annoying stuns/amnesia moves from Mul lvl mobs.
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By Asura.Sutebe 2013-05-04 14:54:09
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Sutebe said: »
anyone think of a build with the new bow? if it gets str aug it could be impressive on sam


An Apex build could be fun but more of a toy. One of the biggest selling points of Namas spam was it was hate free. You could stand behind a mob and just spam Namas with little fear of ever taking hate. You could also avoid the annoying stuns/amnesia moves from Mul lvl mobs.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I mean 10 str in ammo slot instead of hagnea stone or needle. I've not seen bow augs yet but I'm assuming its similar to other weapons but racc and ratt. The raw str stat though might make it worth having in slot just for the WS mod.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 15:03:37
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Asura.Sutebe said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Sutebe said: »
anyone think of a build with the new bow? if it gets str aug it could be impressive on sam


An Apex build could be fun but more of a toy. One of the biggest selling points of Namas spam was it was hate free. You could stand behind a mob and just spam Namas with little fear of ever taking hate. You could also avoid the annoying stuns/amnesia moves from Mul lvl mobs.
Sorry I wasn't clear, I mean 10 str in ammo slot instead of hagnea stone or needle. I've not seen bow augs yet but I'm assuming its similar to other weapons but racc and ratt. The raw str stat though might make it worth having in slot just for the WS mod.


That would be an expensive 10str! But yeah would be best in slot.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-04 16:15:03
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Shoha spamming is where it shines so any time you need Shoha this is the GKT for you. (Koga might still be top for Shoha spam, someone else will have to chime in)


TP
ItemSet 299677


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ItemSet 243182
I got these numbers when comparing Uguisumaru vs Koga 99. I've accounted for rank 15 augments (Attack+15, Acc+10, STR+10).

Ugui TP:
ItemSet 299696

Ugui WS:
ItemSet 299697

Koga TP:
Kogarasumaru (99)
Duplus
Hagneia Stone
Yaoyotl helm
Ganesha
Bladeborn earring
Steelflash earring
Usukane +1
Tenryu +1 Aug
Rajas
K'ayres ring
Rancor Max
Dynamic+1
Unkai +2
Usukane +1

Koga WS:
Kogarasumaru (99)
Duplus
Cheruski
Quauhpilli
Gorget
Brutal
Moonshade AttTP
Phorcys
Phorcys
Rajas
Pyrosoul
Unkai
Ele.Belt
Karieyh
Whirlpool greaves

Chaos Roll: 40% (11+DRK. Closer to 40.9% ATK, but rounded down)
Fighter's Roll: 20% (11+WAR)
SAM Roll: 50 stp (11)

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 1066,967 Koga: 1025,531
Pil. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 814,845 Koga: 785,068
Qilin. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 810,294 Koga: 782,476
Ig-Alima. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Madrigal/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 443,351 Koga: 440,552
Ig-Alima. Pizza+1/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Madrigal/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 464,253 Koga: 456,372


Berserk/Agg down:

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 1066,967 Koga: 1025,531
Pil. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 767,416 Koga: 745,961
Qilin. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 742,931 Koga: 721,304
Ig-Alima. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Madrigal/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 356,591 Koga: 331,200
Ig-Alima. Pizza+1/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Madrigal/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's/SAM Roll Ugui: 337,531 Koga: 333,715



Notes:

- Chaos/Fighter's rolls for Ugui
- Chaos/Sam rolls for Koga
- AM3 active for Koga

- Ugui-build should use Goading instead of Dynamic+1 if ACC allows it.
- any time you can't maintain/get the most out of Koga AM3, it favours Ugui obviously. Spreadsheet doesn't account for that.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-04 16:24:00
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For the heck of it - low buff situations:

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 474,099 Koga: 501,147
Pil. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 330,539 Koga: 356,410
Qilin. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 325,870 Koga: 351,767
Ig-Alima. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 126,193 Koga: 118,666
Ig-Alima. Pizza+1/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 117,489 Koga: 125,336


Berserk/Agg down:

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 455,340 Koga: 484,772
Pil. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 299,357 Koga: 327,213
Qilin. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 288,783 Koga: 314,895
Ig-Alima. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 73,961 Koga: 67,369
Ig-Alima. Pizza+1/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste Ugui: 71,097 Koga: 75,472
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 16:26:16
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Mind running those numbers without COR buffs?
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-04 16:27:10
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Mind running those numbers without COR buffs?

Yeah just added.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 16:31:29
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Odin.Zelphes said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Mind running those numbers without COR buffs?

Yeah just added.


Sry, BRD buffs, no COR.
 
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2013-05-04 16:38:13
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A bit off topic, but from a pure DPS standpoint how would koga AM3+apex arrow fair assuming you were starting with 300tp? From a purely hypothetical standpoint with capped acc, just curious if it would be a worthwhile toy.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-04 16:44:46
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Sry, BRD buffs, no COR.

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 930,156 Koga: 943,236
Pil. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 647,032 Koga: 669,985
Qilin. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 643,465 Koga: 667,553
Ig-Alima. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 256,889 Koga: 238,135
Ig-Alima. Pizza+1/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 232,698 Koga: 239,511


Berserk/Agg down:

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 892,299 Koga: 911,716
Pil. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 591,732 Koga: 623,105
Qilin. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 572,767 Koga: 601,702
Ig-Alima. RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 152,179 Koga: 138,449
Ig-Alima. Pizza+1/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/Haste/2x Marches Ugui: 141,245 Koga: 148,695


March bonus was set @4
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