For pure damage output how would you rank these?:
Augmented Crobaci
DMG:179 Delay:501 STR+12
Weaponsskill Damage+10%
Ragnarok
DMG:143 Delay:431 Accuracy+40
Increases rate of critical hits V
"Scourge"
Fulgurante
DMG: 104 Delay: 480
Occ. Attacks twice
Go!!
YES.... Yet Another Weapon Comparison Thread.
YES.... Yet another Weapon comparison thread.
I'm pretty sure it's already confirmed that that Crobaci smashes all the other options.
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Lakshmi.Abaddon said: »
For pure damage output how would you rank these?:
Augmented Crobaci
DMG:179 Delay:501 STR+12
Weaponsskill Damage+10%
Ragnarok
DMG:143 Delay:431 Accuracy+40
Increases rate of critical hits V
"Scourge"
Fulgurante
DMG: 104 Delay: 480
Occ. Attacks twice
Go!!
Augmented Crobaci
DMG:179 Delay:501 STR+12
Weaponsskill Damage+10%
Ragnarok
DMG:143 Delay:431 Accuracy+40
Increases rate of critical hits V
"Scourge"
Fulgurante
DMG: 104 Delay: 480
Occ. Attacks twice
Go!!
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Obviously Crobaci
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Believe ppl on BG calculated that Crobaci only wins, and slightly in capped accuracy situation, and only if your WS:TP split is already 60:40. I think ppl still under estimated how powerful Ragnarok's white damage are and how useful those 40 accuracy are. Granted DRK has just about a billion accuracy buff, it is still useful especially against high end mobs. Remember when Emp. weapons first came out and made relic look terribly under powered. I expect a way to boost relic's base damage to respectable level to come out soon.
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
Believe ppl on BG calculated that Crobaci only wins, and slightly in capped accuracy situation, and only if your WS:TP split is already 60:40. I think ppl still under estimated how powerful Ragnarok's white damage are and how useful those 40 accuracy are. Granted DRK has just about a billion accuracy buff, it is still useful especially against high end mobs. Remember when Emp. weapons first came out and made relic look terribly under powered. I expect a way to boost relic's base damage to respectable level to come out soon.
That was Atoreis and was not a proper evaluation. I'll run senarios as soon as work slows down.
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Ragnarok.Returner said: »
Believe ppl on BG calculated that Crobaci only wins, and slightly in capped accuracy situation, and only if your WS:TP split is already 60:40. I think ppl still under estimated how powerful Ragnarok's white damage are and how useful those 40 accuracy are. Granted DRK has just about a billion accuracy buff, it is still useful especially against high end mobs. Remember when Emp. weapons first came out and made relic look terribly under powered. I expect a way to boost relic's base damage to respectable level to come out soon.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that just yet. It took quite a time and adjustment after adjustment until SE figured they had done enough to bring relic weapons up to snuff. There are still questionable issues with relics that SE has either stated won't change, or when they discovered a bug (that looked more like a fix) of stats working in off hand quickly corrected it meaning they had no intention of ever letting them work in offhand.
Taking this into account I suspect SE will probably only do fluff enhancements to 99 relics/mythic/emp. but will do very little, if any at all, changes to base damage for the weapons.
Just real quick test.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarok99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarok99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Just real quick test.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
Are you also looking at TP phase?
On my spread sheets, I have Crobaci doing better in WS damage but the 2.5x damage and +14%~ crit rate on Ragnarok makes Rag better.
Ragnarok.Agerknux said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Just real quick test.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
Are you also looking at TP phase?
On my spread sheets, I have Crobaci doing better in WS damage but the 2.5x damage and +14%~ crit rate on Ragnarok makes Rag better.
Looking at DPS...thats all that matters.
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Just a quick question, for Reives fights for Crobaci/Ragnarok-less DRK:
Coalition GS or Fulgurante 99(OaT)? soloing assumed
Coalition GS or Fulgurante 99(OaT)? soloing assumed
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Ragnarok.Agerknux said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Just real quick test.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
Are you also looking at TP phase?
On my spread sheets, I have Crobaci doing better in WS damage but the 2.5x damage and +14%~ crit rate on Ragnarok makes Rag better.
Looking at DPS...thats all that matters.
I am pretty sure Ager is looking at DPS, he is pretty knowledgable. Maybe something is missing, setup or whatever.
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Ragnarok.Agerknux said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Just real quick test.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
Are you also looking at TP phase?
On my spread sheets, I have Crobaci doing better in WS damage but the 2.5x damage and +14%~ crit rate on Ragnarok makes Rag better.
Looking at DPS...thats all that matters.
I am pretty sure Ager is looking at DPS, he is pretty knowledgable. Maybe something is missing, setup or whatever.
I'll post my sheets tomorrow. They are on my work comp.
You can get WS Damage +10% on Crobaci?
I think even Rag 99 gets ***on then.
I think even Rag 99 gets ***on then.
this is likly a stupid *** question but i just got add on, is rieves skirmish or is that something else? im wondering how to obtain the gs but only find "comes from skirmish"
Different events. Rieves is similiar to say campaign battles/bastion. Skirmish you gotta get a pop set to go into the battlefield.
Skirmish and Reive are two separate events. Think of Skirmish as a Assault/Meeble* kind of event where to gain entry you have to assemble a Mannequin (stone statue) the pieces of which you may find while doing activities to further the Colonization Rate (killing random mobs, Reives, completing Coalition Assignments) as well as gathering base materials (HELM) in Adoulin areas. The different pieces you find the different the objective will be as will the rewards.
*My baseless assumption since part of the event is that the objective will vary.
*My baseless assumption since part of the event is that the objective will vary.
Ragnarok.Agerknux said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Just real quick test.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
I have Crobaci edging out Ragnarock99. Would need to have those sick augments. .5 to 6% edge depending on the situation. If you need Rags ACC then it wins obviously.
Being able to 5hit it easily is a big plus.
95 Rag gets trashed by it.
Are you also looking at TP phase?
On my spread sheets, I have Crobaci doing better in WS damage but the 2.5x damage and +14%~ crit rate on Ragnarok makes Rag better.
A few days ago I ran the data and was getting Rag 99 > "Perfect" Crobaci.
Today I messed with Crobaci TP sets looking to 5 hit, and I'm getting Crobaci > 99 Rag in some situations assuming "perfect" gear.
However in the highest buffed situation with target Ig-Alima (no stalwarts, just Chaos/Fighters, March x2 Min x2, Madrigal x1, Boost- STR and Haste) and /war with Last Resort up, Rag 99 is ahead by about 2%.
Gear sets used:
- Resolution
ItemSet 296477
- /Sam Lowbuffs ( only JAs, Haste, Boost-SR and food )
ItemSet 296478 vs ItemSet 296480
Crobaci Wins. (by very lttle)
- /War Highbuffs ( 11 Chaos/Fighters, March x2, Minuet x2, Madrigal, Boost-STR, Haste and Pizza+1 ) LAST RESORT UP
ItemSet 296479 vs ItemSet 296482
Ragna Wins. (by a lot)
Fast edit: any situation that requires more accuracy, or high end where you're not getting Madrigal ( ex 1 BRD and Marchx2, Min Only ), Rag is clearly winning.
In either case if you're not using apocalypse in the new areas you may as well lay down and take it
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My work is gone. (Apoc stuff in its place working on a new SC)
Pretty safe to say we are all coming up with similar results.
The augments also aren't fixed so there will be a variance in Crobaci's performance. Overall its safe to say:
Rag99 > Crobaci > Rag95
Pretty safe to say we are all coming up with similar results.
The augments also aren't fixed so there will be a variance in Crobaci's performance. Overall its safe to say:
Rag99 > Crobaci > Rag95
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
My work is gone. (Apoc stuff in its place working on a new SC)
Pretty safe to say we are all coming up with similar results.
The augments also aren't fixed so there will be a variance in Crobaci's performance. Overall its safe to say:
Rag99 > Crobaci > Rag95
Pretty safe to say we are all coming up with similar results.
The augments also aren't fixed so there will be a variance in Crobaci's performance. Overall its safe to say:
Rag99 > Crobaci > Rag95
Just some numbers for people visually see damage difference.
With the following assumptions and taking some cross section examples
202str vs 190
Capped fStr
No Phorcys
Factoring in 25TP bonus Moonshade
When your ratio is 1.5 @ 125% 225% and at 300%
Crobaci
W/o Gorget 2274.525 2653.6125 2937.928125
Gorget 2881.065 3260.1525 3544.468125
Gorget/Mekira 3184.335 3563.4225 3847.738125
Ragnarok
W/o Gorget 1788.75 2086.875 2310.46875
Gorget 2265.75 2563.875 2787.46875
Gorget/Mekira 2504.25 2802.375 3025.96875
When your ratio is 2.25
Crobaci
W/o Gorget 3411.7875 3980.41875 4406.892188
Gorget 4321.5975 4890.22875 5316.702188
Gorget/Mekira 4776.5025 5345.13375 5771.607188
Ragnarok
W/o Gorget 2683.125 3130.3125 3465.703125
Gorget 3398.625 3845.8125 4181.203125
Gorget/Mekira 3756.375 4203.5625 4538.953125
I also have it at 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 ratio but only posted two sections. As you can see though, the ws damage is no laughing matter.
When it comes down to normal hits? I did some pseudo math and took an average of expected damage for Rag.
Crobaci
Ratio 1 1.5 2 2.25
Damage per hit 206 309 412 463.5
Ragnarok
Ratio 1 1.5 2 2.25
Damage per hit 166 249 332 373.5
Avg w/2.5x 205.84 308.76 411.68 463.14
As you can see here, the average damage on Ragnarok is actually pretty damn close to Crobaci. You'll see consistant numbers on Crobaci though.
There are some other things to consider. Crit, delay, TP gain.
I have not yet checked how much these affect these two GS's performance, but my gut feeling says it's favoring Ragnarok. And this is where I feel Ragnarok comes ahead.
With the following assumptions and taking some cross section examples
202str vs 190
Capped fStr
No Phorcys
Factoring in 25TP bonus Moonshade
When your ratio is 1.5 @ 125% 225% and at 300%
Crobaci
W/o Gorget 2274.525 2653.6125 2937.928125
Gorget 2881.065 3260.1525 3544.468125
Gorget/Mekira 3184.335 3563.4225 3847.738125
Ragnarok
W/o Gorget 1788.75 2086.875 2310.46875
Gorget 2265.75 2563.875 2787.46875
Gorget/Mekira 2504.25 2802.375 3025.96875
When your ratio is 2.25
Crobaci
W/o Gorget 3411.7875 3980.41875 4406.892188
Gorget 4321.5975 4890.22875 5316.702188
Gorget/Mekira 4776.5025 5345.13375 5771.607188
Ragnarok
W/o Gorget 2683.125 3130.3125 3465.703125
Gorget 3398.625 3845.8125 4181.203125
Gorget/Mekira 3756.375 4203.5625 4538.953125
I also have it at 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0 ratio but only posted two sections. As you can see though, the ws damage is no laughing matter.
When it comes down to normal hits? I did some pseudo math and took an average of expected damage for Rag.
Crobaci
Ratio 1 1.5 2 2.25
Damage per hit 206 309 412 463.5
Ragnarok
Ratio 1 1.5 2 2.25
Damage per hit 166 249 332 373.5
Avg w/2.5x 205.84 308.76 411.68 463.14
As you can see here, the average damage on Ragnarok is actually pretty damn close to Crobaci. You'll see consistant numbers on Crobaci though.
There are some other things to consider. Crit, delay, TP gain.
I have not yet checked how much these affect these two GS's performance, but my gut feeling says it's favoring Ragnarok. And this is where I feel Ragnarok comes ahead.
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