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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-11-30 11:50:25
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wait wait. all the new Job Abilities are listed under "new special job abilities", and are coming this next update. but they also have some new merit-based 2Hr JAs coming too, seemingly separate from the lowering existing timer and new JAs, due to it having a separate link in the "under development" section
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-11-30 11:51:59
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
wait wait. all the new Job Abilities are listed under "new special job abilities", and are coming this next update. but they also have some new merit-based 2Hr JAs coming too, seemingly separate from the lowering existing timer and new JAs, due to it having a separate link in the "under development" section
I put an asterisk by the new special job abilities, they aren't coming this update.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-11-30 11:55:18
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
wait wait. all the new Job Abilities are listed under "new special job abilities", and are coming this next update. but they also have some new merit-based 2Hr JAs coming too, seemingly separate from the lowering existing timer and new JAs, due to it having a separate link in the "under development" section
I put an asterisk by the new special job abilities, they aren't coming this update.


i know. my point is, i assumed the new SP abilites were the merit-based 2hrs they had been talking about. however, they have a different link listed, so am i incorrect in thinking they are also developing new 2hr as well as the new 1hr JAs?
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-11-30 11:57:30
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The merits will be used to enhance the existing special abilities. Not sure if it's meant as simple recast reduction or strenghtening the effects as well.
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2012-11-30 12:02:40
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
About difficulty, is this neo-salvage a 6 men event?
I'm sure it will be set for 6+ normal players, 4-5 experienced & geared players, 3 for the hackers :P

joking .-. kinda

Unless the difficulty was adjusted from the test server for the implementation (made harder); I had no issues soloing the floors and Hydra on PUP.

I really hate these 3 man restrictions on content that is soloable. :(
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-11-30 13:33:39
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
wait wait. all the new Job Abilities are listed under "new special job abilities", and are coming this next update. but they also have some new merit-based 2Hr JAs coming too, seemingly separate from the lowering existing timer and new JAs, due to it having a separate link in the "under development" section
I put an asterisk by the new special job abilities, they aren't coming this update.


i know. my point is, i assumed the new SP abilites were the merit-based 2hrs they had been talking about. however, they have a different link listed, so am i incorrect in thinking they are also developing new 2hr as well as the new 1hr JAs?

No, they're the same thing. Look at the date that In Development post was made- it was over a year ago. It was in the dev's mind at that stage and assumedly the decision to make them lower recast than 2 hours came later, they just never went back to change the label on that development post.
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By Creecreelo 2012-11-30 13:59:21
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
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Did they ever _confirm_ that you'll need old salvage gear to get the new stuff?
I know they said it would be similar to Limbus at one point, but we never heard anything about it since did we?
(I should really get to work -_-)
They wouldn't do that to their new playerbase, so I'm sure the answer is no.

Well, they did that in Neo-Limbus and sorta Neo-Dynamis lol

I thought I remember readinig that they wanted to add an alternate set of Salvage armor for jobs like Dnc and Sch (Somewhat like how there was Enif/Murzim and Adhara/Shedir for Limbus). Those alternate sets don't require the base lvl 75 piece, so I feel they might do something similar for Neo-Salvage. I mean they'll want to appease people that want to upgrade old Salvage gear, yet allow for a alternate set that doesn't require old Salvage gear, and they'll want Neo-Salvage to be as much of a time sink as possible.

However, doing this would mean like 50 new pieces of armor coming Neo-Salvage, as opposed to 25... So who knows until it comes, I guess. x.x
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-11-30 14:02:52
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It's also perfectly possible it'll have randomly-dropped accessories and whatnot like Neo Limbus had. We just need to hope the entry isn't stupid like Neo Limbus and will require 500 alexandrite per entry or something similarly moronic.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-11-30 14:04:45
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Can't wait to see the stats on new gear.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2012-11-30 14:14:22
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Can't wait to see the stats on new gear.

I'm very determined on what the Neo-Usukane Feet will have.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-11-30 15:35:51
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The update will be on December 21st. The Embrava nerf is probably what the Mayan's were predicting.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-11-30 15:39:09
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Bahamut.Bojack said: »
The update will be on December 21st. The Embrava nerf is probably what the Mayan's were predicting.

That would be kind of amusing :P
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By Lakshmi.Ryukin 2012-11-30 16:08:42
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Least we have a better timeline of when this is happening, FINAL

"FANTASY XI @FFXI_EN
In the mid-December version update, various updates including the battlefield expansion of Salvage are in plan so stay tuned! #FFXI"

Final Fantasy 11 english twitter account for all you late NNI'ers who would like to buy/get the last runs in before update.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-11-30 16:52:26
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If the gear sets in Salvage are better than NNI and the event is fun and winnable I might consider coming back, maybe. They can't be sidegrades though, tired of that crap.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-11-30 16:59:05
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Fun, winnable, and better than NNI is a lot to ask. I would hope for 2 and expect 1.
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By Asura.Aikchan 2012-11-30 19:41:41
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
If I'm understanding this correctly, PD and Embrava nerf will be going live but Nyzul Isle adjustment and new JAs will not. Seems like a poor decision to me.

NNI "adjustment" is under "[dev1139] Job Ability Adjustments: Perfect Defense / Tabula Rasa"
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By Leviathan.Vaudianx 2012-11-30 21:23:15
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Bahamut.Bojack said: »
The update will be on December 21st. The Embrava nerf is probably what the Mayan's were predicting.

Thanks, jsut spit my Corona all over my laptop...
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By Odin.Drgg 2012-11-30 21:36:34
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Come back for Salvage? .-. Idk.
I'll come back to try it, if it's still lame then I'll wait for Play-as-a-Monster.
Screw Play-as-monster, I want Play-as-Kalilla.
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2012-11-30 22:22:38
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
wait wait. all the new Job Abilities are listed under "new special job abilities", and are coming this next update. but they also have some new merit-based 2Hr JAs coming too, seemingly separate from the lowering existing timer and new JAs, due to it having a separate link in the "under development" section
I put an asterisk by the new special job abilities, they aren't coming this update.

/sigh... and I thought nerfing the effects of Embrava and Perfect defense was the result of the new 2 HR abilities, and yet the new abilities aren't in this update... way for SE to really screw us over half-assing it...
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2012-11-30 23:46:17
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Bismarck.Zuidar said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
wait wait. all the new Job Abilities are listed under "new special job abilities", and are coming this next update. but they also have some new merit-based 2Hr JAs coming too, seemingly separate from the lowering existing timer and new JAs, due to it having a separate link in the "under development" section
I put an asterisk by the new special job abilities, they aren't coming this update.

/sigh... and I thought nerfing the effects of Embrava and Perfect defense was the result of the new 2 HR abilities, and yet the new abilities aren't in this update... way for SE to really screw us over half-assing it...

No, that'd be the result of everyone abusing the hell out of them.
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By Quil 2012-12-01 00:25:41
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they alrdy said that the new salvage is going to b like the new limbus 1 set of gear to go with the old stuff and 1 set of just new stuff along time ago ill look for the link i read it on
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2012-12-01 02:01:35
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I'm optimistic that Alex prices will drop. Probably not as low as 2-4k like it used to be, but at least down to the 6-9k range. At any rate, the Alex cost will be directly related to two factors:

1) How good the salvage gear is.
2) The drop rate of said salvage gear and general difficulty of obtaining the drop.

If the salvage gear is stupidly amazing (and trumps the current NNI gear), you best believe Alex prices will plummet. Neo Salvage being a main motivator of current gear will have tons of people doing the event in droves in order to obtain said gear. On top of the old Salvage attendance will also skyrocket as well, it being the base for gear upgrades-- that also tosses more alexandrite into the pool. If the drop rate is bad, even a better situation for alex prices to plummet further.

I'm guessing Neo Salvage will be easier to complete fully in correlation to NNI, but the drop rate will be bad (but not as bad as Old Salvage before drop increase). Also guessing that the main bosses will also drop linen pouches at a 100% drop rate. If you think about all this in such a manner, there's no way Alex can't drop in price massively, regardless of how bleak it looks right now.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-01 03:04:08
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I dunno, it doesn't inspire much confidence in me when dynamis renewal made ancient currency generation multiply by a factor of like 5x and since then the price has budged by like 10%.

There is no way in hell the bosses will drop linen coinpurses 100% unless they are very, very difficult to reach like Dvali Jonah is. Speaking of which, Alex income increase will be balanced a bit by things that are going to lower it:

1. Less people doing normal salvage because they're doing new salvage instead
2. Nobody will ever reach F100 Neo Nyzul again short of a miracle, which is where a lot of the Alex currently comes from
3. Some tags normally saved for neo nyzul will be used for assaults to buy remnants permits

With the above points in mind, I don't see neo nyzul affecting the current situation much unless it drops like 400+ alexandrite per run.
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By Latifah 2012-12-01 03:56:12
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would be nice if they buff brd a lot to make them a DPS/support job
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-01 03:56:43
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Latifah said: »
would be nice if they buff brd a lot to make them a DPS/support job

This isn't 14, sorry.
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By Ragnarok.Takagi 2012-12-01 04:07:58
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
There is no way in hell the bosses will drop linen coinpurses 100% unless they are very, very difficult to reach like Dvali Jonah is.

Maybe, but the alex dropped from nni has always been considered as 'just a plus' imo. Salvage has always been the main output of alexandrite, so I could see them making the final boss drop it 100% even if its not as hard to reach as Dvali Jonah.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-12-01 04:24:25
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Part of the reason alex used to be so cheap was because like 17/20 of the mythics were utter ***at level 75. Being that that isn't the case anymore (not to mention people don't have anything to do other than to work on relics to help them make more relics to help them make more relics) people are willing to pay 20k for them and that probably won't change.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-12-01 04:45:32
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Latifah said: »
would be nice if they buff brd a lot to make them a DPS/support job


Already have this job in 11, it's called Corsair.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2012-12-01 05:28:11
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2. Nobody will ever reach F100 Neo Nyzul again short of a miracle, which is where a lot of the Alex currently comes from
LOL

Yeah they're making Nyzul much easier but of course it's gonna be impossible because you don't have the same regain and regen... (/sarcasm)

Some people just can't see a life worth living without 12.5 min embrava lol.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-01 05:56:02
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Do you believe in life after Embrava?

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