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 Leviathan.Kincard
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-28 01:55:42
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-28 01:56:29
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-09-28 02:07:29
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Okay, been wondering a bit about capped magic haste sets(Yeah I know, lol playing NIN seriously etc). Been playing around with it a bit and wondering if it’s better to drop the Iga Zukin +2 in a 20% haste build in favor of a higher haste build like this one:

I refrained from adding Hexed-1 to this set given how difficult it is to get. Been wondering about a couple pieces for a set like this, like Nemetona Cap and Usukane Sune-Ate. As far as I can tell though, the above set is better for the hardy stuff like Ig-Alima and the like.

no. Iga Zukin +2 isn't just 6% Haste. It is also Dual Wield +5, which makes that one slot reduce your overall delay by ~11%
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-28 02:12:53
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Well yeah, but the set I'm trying to make is one you'd use assuming the Dual Wield isn't doing anything (Capped Magic Haste like I mentioned), or rather, you don't need the dual wield from the zukin to cap your delay reduction. Basically you'd wear 20% haste if you kept the Zukin on but you can lose the Zukin for a helm with better melee stats if you could hit around 23% gear haste instead.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2012-09-28 09:13:19
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I don't think there's ever a reason to drop Thaumas Body. Even in high buff situations.

I like what you've done here, but if you could segment each portion seperately. (Take a look at the COR forum and the main COR thread).

Write out the fundamentals for why each set is important. With a stat breakdown? Consider Mustela Gloves for some sets either as mains or alternatives. (Shun: I think I'm still just using Atheling).

Thanks for your compilation.

Edit:

Node by Orestes, find some more recent gearsets by a prominent Ninja from the community:
February 2015
February 2015 - Ninja Gearsets
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-09-28 10:33:26
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Gotta love the Khepri and Tenryu +1 in a thread directed at "Newer/Returning players."

Scratched this because he's subsequently changed the thread title and turned this into a respectable NIN guide. /props
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By Phoenix.Esvedium 2012-09-28 10:46:15
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While this thread might be a noble cause,

Phoenix.Suji said: »
Gotta love the Khepri and Tenryu +1 in a thread directed at "Newer/Returning players."

^This.

Also, breaking it down like the BLU or COR threads would help a lot. It doesn't have to be a "new/returning" thread, but a "This is what you should have" mixed in with alternate pieces of "this is what you can use while working on the best stuff" would do well, I think.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-28 14:31:57
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Gotta love the Khepri and Tenryu +1 in a thread directed at "Newer/Returning players."

My intent was more to show a perfect set and have returning/new players refer to the alternatives list. I guess I could post a "obtainable set" and a "amgwtfbbq set" for each one.

Okay, I've made a small update with a section for a starting point for newer players. I've taken a look on the guides on other job forums and I'll try to get this thing updated and not looking so amateurish compared to the other jobs' over the next few days. I'm not gonna lose to them!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-09-28 14:33:57
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How come Sangoma Lappa over like Denali Kecks?
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By Odin.Rikiyame 2012-09-28 14:37:50
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I would link to the sheets, in case they want those, too.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2012-09-28 14:43:45
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I wholeheartedly support this.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2012-09-28 14:55:36
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Phoenix.Suji said: »
Gotta love the Khepri and Tenryu +1 in a thread directed at "Newer/Returning players."

Even if it's 'unreachable' for newer players, I still think it's good that they know what IS optimal/great.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-09-28 15:01:55
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I didn't really intend to drop a drama bomb. Like Esvedium said, seeing a progression is more useful to most folks (especially new ones) than seeing the absolute best sets (assuming these are) which are unobtainable for most players.

It's just a misleading title, is all.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-29 17:08:04
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Okay, since this is becoming more of a general guide sort of thing, is it possible for me to somehow change the topic title?

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I don't think there's ever a reason to drop Thaumas Body. Even in high buff situations.

What made the Thaumas Body so powerful was the multihit it provided on top of the haste. While Toci's Harness + Ocelomeh+1 is missing the Quad. Attack, it instead gives a good chunk of STR, DEX, and Attack...enough, I think, to offset the Quad. Attack, at least on the high-end content you would use such a set on.

Quetzalcoatl.Dova said: »
How come Sangoma Lappa over like Denali Kecks?

I'll go redo some calculations, but as I recall, because of the low D of the -ton spells, it might be more beneficial to add INT as opposed to MAB in many cases.
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2012-09-29 18:20:44
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For blade Shun set, does 2 attack really beat out +1dex & 3% DA from Thaumas feet? Saw some other minor errors but that had me pretty confused
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-30 08:05:05
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Like with everything else, it's completely dependent on your buffs and the target. The STR and Attack will be more beneficial on the higher-end stuff like Voidwatch, but if you're in Dynamis and such the Thaumas will win.

If you're missing Myrmex Mittens and using Thaumas Gloves though, Thaumas Nails will probably win every time.
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2012-09-30 09:30:03
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I still doubt with Bravers/stalwarts/atmacites in vw that the str would beat out 3% DA. There isnt a vw section to this "guide" & since youre looking at the overall picture with the gearsets you have posted, I would def say thaumas feet should rep Dilaram's for Shun.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-09-30 10:02:36
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6 attack 2 fSTR vs 1 DEX 3% DA is basically 6 attack 1-2 base damage vs 3% DA. Eyeballing the difference I'd favor Diliaram's when fSTR uncapped. Definitely something to keep in mind given the situations where NIN tends to be used though.
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By Valefor.Anethesia 2012-10-01 12:39:53
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You're not being very practical about some of your gear choices for "new" players. Unless you own the gear you're posting, don't post them.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-10-01 13:00:29
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Valefor.Anethesia said: »
You're not being very practical about some of your gear choices for "new" players. Unless you own the gear you're posting, don't post them.

The very first sets he posted for "new" burned jobs blah blah blah are generally easy to obtain in like 30 mins of work but I'm sure someone will appreciate your post.
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By digiEndLS 2012-10-01 14:12:34
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Guys srsly
Valefor.Anethesia said: »
Unless you own the gear you're posting, don't post them.

Srsly quit posting all these kamome sets.. it's pretty unrealistic.

On the real though - can OP edit to include the target used in your moten-sheets? Having a hard time seeing Tjukurrpa win over Epona in all but very low acc scenarios.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-10-01 18:37:08
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You're not being very practical about some of your gear choices for "new" players. Unless you own the gear you're posting, don't post them.

As others have said, I have posted some sets that should be practical for newer players to use. I also list alternative items to use under each set- I'd like to think people can at least look information on how to obtain items themselves and decide what is and isn't plausible for them to get.

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On the real though - can OP edit to include the target used in your moten-sheets? Having a hard time seeing Tjukurrpa win over Epona in all but very low acc scenarios.

I've been debating on whether I should just post multiple "best" sets for each thing, or if that'd just make the post too bloated. Also not sure which targets I would choose. I suppose one set VS Fodder, one set VS Ig-Alima, and one set VS DC Dynamis is best? You are right that Tjukurrpa would only win in low acc/attack situations, or if the dDEX managed to push you up- in fact Iga Tekko +2, too, was only winning against Ig-Alima, and this is assuming no atmacites whatsoever (Stalwart's is up though). I basically made the two sets as different as I could so people reading it could get an idea of how you would gear Hi under different situations.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-01 18:42:14
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Thaumas over AF3. Tjukurrpa is entirely dependent on dDEX to be remotely useful, so I'd consider that more of an alternate piece than a default piece.
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By Anesthesia 2012-10-01 23:19:09
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Don't post a Shun set with a Kikoku you don't even have, same with Nagi; you people are the epitome of why I don't post on these god forsaken forums: your input is just awful.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-10-01 23:20:30
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Relic syndrome never fails.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-10-01 23:21:28
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'Cuz you totally need a specific weapon to do math for it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-10-01 23:23:30
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Someone could post a shun set with a freakin signet staff. I'm not sure why the basis of you caring is about what weapon he puts on the sets. Maybe link us to your thread about NIN since someone else taking the initiative is detrimental to your way of life.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-10-02 00:17:13
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I'd understand his complaint a lot more if those weapon skills wern't perfectly available, and geared the same way, even without the weapon (Barring the unseen circumstance of attack from Kikoku capping you). I will admit that I mostly made the Blade: Kamu set for luls though- gotta work hard to improve that STR/INT 1.00 fTP WS.

This is making me very hesitant to post my Nagi Mijin Gakure build, maybe I should check with you guys before I add it to the main post:

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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-10-02 02:20:56
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That's probably the most legendary gear set I've ever seen. Only issue is the Bomb Queen Ring lowers your fire affinity, which NIN is already weak with, so you're probably losing more dmg than you gain tbh.

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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-10-02 02:30:20
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Dat blm sub description... Well played, sir!
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