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 Hades.Holysavior
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By Hades.Holysavior 2009-05-23 17:28:13
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I've been stacking up "evasion skill" items such as evasion torque (+7 evasion skill) and boxers mantle (+10 evasion skill). I know there is gear that provides evasion in "general" like elusive earring + 5 evasion. IF I just wear gear that gives the skill part, do I have to balance it with the evasion in general gear OR the evasion in general gear just helps add a bonus to my evasion in terms of just dodging.

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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-05-23 17:32:28
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1# evasion skill
2# evasion

3# agi

thats how it goes. Stack up as much eva skill then the rest will be regular eva then agi
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By Unicorn.Tavlov 2009-05-23 17:37:44
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Think he was asking what the difference is between evasion skill and regular eva+.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-05-23 17:38:56
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Eva skil=2 eavsion
1 evasion= 2agi.
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By Ragnarok.Thoru 2009-05-23 17:49:20
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having a mob hundred fist and not hit you is priceless
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-05-23 18:05:56
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basically the best explanation ive heard is skill is like being at a higher lvl while evasion is more like being more evasion for that lvl. So skill wont cap but evasion will more or less though supposedly agi raises the soft cap on that.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2009-05-23 18:44:31
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Ludoggy said:
Eva skil=2 eavsion
1 evasion= 2agi.

This is the most helpful thing I've read on this topic. I like formulas, lol.

I was confused on the difference between eva and eva skill too. I was even more confused when someone tried to tell me that once your evasion skill is capped for whatever level eva+ gear doesn't do anything and that only eva skill+ gear would help. That didn't make sense to me at all seeing how some NIN gear, don't remember exactly which ones, give eva+ that are for a lvl 75 nin.

Reading the explanation on ffxiclopedia made me somewhat less confused, but nothing concrete.
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By Hades.Holysavior 2009-05-23 20:00:44
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Dasva said:
basically the best explanation ive heard is skill is like being at a higher lvl while evasion is more like being more evasion for that lvl. So skill wont cap but evasion will more or less though supposedly agi raises the soft cap on that.


yes this is the response I was looking for. It does make sense a bit I guess. As you level the "cap" for evasion "skill" or any skill in general it raises by 3 or 5 depending on the level you level UP too.

Thank you that was very helpful.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud 2010-07-27 17:04:01
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I wanted to do a search on this topic before creating a new one because I'm still a little confused on how to determine cap on something and to know how much evasion as opposed to evasion skill equipment to put on. Let me provide an example and see if I have this right.

Let's say I have a base AGI of 50.

At level 75, my evasion is capped at 269.

Without any gear on, does this mean my evasion skill is 274? (269 + (50/2))

Furthermore, let's say I equip an emp. hairpin, and also an evasion torque. My AGI is now 53. My +evasion is now 10, and my + evasion skill is now 7. How does that effect evasion. My initial thought is:

269 + 10 (from hairpin) + 7 (from torque) + 26.5 (from AGI) = 312.5 ??

If this equation is correct, I'm not seeing anywhere how you determine a cap?
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By Alexander.Temaruma 2010-07-27 18:41:59
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Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud said:
I wanted to do a search on this topic before creating a new one because I'm still a little confused on how to determine cap on something and to know how much evasion as opposed to evasion skill equipment to put on. Let me provide an example and see if I have this right.

Let's say I have a base AGI of 50.

At level 75, my evasion is capped at 269.

Without any gear on, does this mean my evasion skill is 274? (269 + (50/2))

Furthermore, let's say I equip an emp. hairpin, and also an evasion torque. My AGI is now 53. My +evasion is now 10, and my + evasion skill is now 7. How does that effect evasion. My initial thought is:

269 + 10 (from hairpin) + 7 (from torque) + 26.5 (from AGI) = 312.5 ??

If this equation is correct, I'm not seeing anywhere how you determine a cap?

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By Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud 2010-07-27 22:19:59
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Alexander.Temaruma said:
Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud said:
I wanted to do a search on this topic before creating a new one because I'm still a little confused on how to determine cap on something and to know how much evasion as opposed to evasion skill equipment to put on. Let me provide an example and see if I have this right.

Let's say I have a base AGI of 50.

At level 75, my evasion is capped at 269.

Without any gear on, does this mean my evasion skill is 274? (269 + (50/2))

Furthermore, let's say I equip an emp. hairpin, and also an evasion torque. My AGI is now 53. My +evasion is now 10, and my + evasion skill is now 7. How does that effect evasion. My initial thought is:

269 + 10 (from hairpin) + 7 (from torque) + 26.5 (from AGI) = 312.5 ??

If this equation is correct, I'm not seeing anywhere how you determine a cap?


did you mean to add something?
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By Alexander.Temaruma 2010-07-27 22:37:57
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Well, if you want to know how much your evasion skill is.. look at the combat skills page, its pretty clear.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud 2010-07-27 22:40:25
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Alexander.Temaruma said:
Well, if you want to know how much your evasion skill is.. look at the combat skills page, its pretty clear.

okay you got me. maybe i should rephrase my question then. Let's say whatever skill that says is in blue meaning capped. What then does evasion gear do for me if anything?

(evasion gear meaning stuff like emp. hairpin, not evasion skill gear)
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-07-27 22:56:22
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Quetzalcoatl.Buckeyespud said:
Alexander.Temaruma said:
Well, if you want to know how much your evasion skill is.. look at the combat skills page, its pretty clear.

okay you got me. maybe i should rephrase my question then. Let's say whatever skill that says is in blue meaning capped. What then does evasion gear do for me if anything?

(evasion gear meaning stuff like emp. hairpin, not evasion skill gear)

Makes you evade more.

How much?
Depends on what your fighting. How much +10 eva will do will change mob to mob to mob. Simurgh for example, it'll help nothing. Easy prey maybe alot, even match maybe not so much. If you want to evade, go skill, evasion, and make sure you can still hit (meaning acc).

How much evasion do you need?
As much as your willing to equip. I run eva skill +10, evasion +57. On weak stuff i'm probably capped. As per evasion cap... 85%(correct me if i'm wrong).

Does +57 evasion make me invicible?
On some mobs yes, some mobs haste would of been better.

Gotta learn what you want to equip, find your happy medium on what your fighting.

No there isn't a perfect calculation for evasion. If there was it would have to take into account your agi, evasion skill, evasion +, acc of the mob, dex of mob, etc. No one cares that much about evasion to figure it out to that extreme.
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