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 Ramuh.Kailana
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By Ramuh.Kailana 2012-06-07 18:18:34
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I don't know what a Gacha is.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2012-06-07 18:23:51
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Leviathan.Celille said: »
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Still, I have to wonder if this RMT crackdown has anything to do with the complete Gacha ban in Japan. I have a hard time believing SE actually cares about anything other than it's legal liabilities.

Now you're just trying to hard. These have nothing in common, and most likely never will. Leave the crazy outrageous conspiracy claims to the guys on the History channel or the National Enquirer.


How is it a conspiracy? Corporations protect themselves from liability at virtually all costs.

Without examining the law that banned Gacha in detail, there would be no way to tell if some particular segment puts Square at liability here. Square never really gave a ***about RMT before. Since you can't "Ban a title", they have to be very specific of what is and isn't crossing the line. Somewhere, FC RMT could cross the line.

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I don't know what a Gacha is.

In a nutshell, it's a mechanic that forces you to roll, for a chance to roll, for a chance to roll in the main event.

Think of it like having to buy a lottery ticket, for a chance to buy the lottery ticket that leads to the lottery to have a chance to play for an actual prize. Add in publisher-sanctioned RMT and foreveralone people, and you have unlimited moniez.
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By Thanzo187 2012-06-07 18:29:47
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Man you people *** and moan about everything lol getting mad over FC RMT yet get pissed when you arent allowed to key or leech in a regular pt I've seen rmt fc and even with them there I get enough mobs to spawn ***or they sell me the pops for 1gil
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By Odin.Ketsuu 2012-06-07 18:34:02
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Most people's comments are about how it negatively effects players who fell cleave, but there getting banned for monopolizing. So even if they do get banned you still cant cleave yourself because you would also be monopolizing. Bitching about this is gonna backfire on everyone.
There is a big difference between FCing and monopolizing a camp/mob while FCing. Monopolizing, which is what the RMT FCers do, is pretty much not letting anyone skill up, or farm the pop items for an NM- essentially taking over the camp, so nobody else can use it. When I used to FC, before the RMTs got there, if people wanted to skill up, I wouldn't interfere- as long as they didn't take every mob. Sure that slowed me down slightly, but if everyone was getting done what they needed to get done, everyone benefits. It didn't slow me down more than a few exp per hour by allowing other people to skill up, or even other FCers to FC up some TEs, which I was easily hitting 100k+ an hour with other people skilling up, over double what the RMT FCers get per hour. What the RMTs do is pull every mob- taken or otherwise- no matter how inconvenient, to try to "lock" everyone out of the camp so their services are the only way anyone can get something done that requires the camp. Even though, they the RMTs would actually have a better, faster service, if they allowed everyone to skill up, or do w/e the person is there for, the RMTs will always want to monopolize what ever they do, because that is what used to make them gil. In reality they wouldn't have people MPKing them and their leechers if they didn't monopolize the camp.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-06-07 18:35:53
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White is white.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2012-06-07 18:36:54
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before i add to the topic what is FC mean and are u talking about the people that shout pay per hour for x number of exp.

how is what they are doing bad.
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By Fenrir.Tarowyn 2012-06-07 18:40:33
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
In a nutshell, it's a mechanic that forces you to roll, for a chance to roll, for a chance to roll in the main event.

Think of it like having to buy a lottery ticket, for a chance to buy the lottery ticket that leads to the lottery to have a chance to play for an actual prize. Add in publisher-sanctioned RMT and foreveralone people, and you have unlimited moniez.
You might be just trying to simplify it but that's not really what it's like. The definition is actually very specific, where you have to get a specific set of prizes to get some ultimate prize. It'd be kind of like buying lottery tickets for a chance of BB items except they were non rare so you could get multiples of the same one. It just... doesn't apply at all to this situation.
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By Odin.Ketsuu 2012-06-07 18:42:30
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Sylph.Kawar said: »
before i add to the topic what is FC mean and are u talking about the people that shout pay per hour for x number of exp.

how is what they are doing bad.
FC means Fell Cleave, a Great Axe Area of Effect weapon skill, and yes, these are the people sitting in Port Jeuno with one character shouting, and FCing on another character. This is bad because they are there 24 hours a day, and essentially have monopolized the camp(s) they're at, creating one less thing for the legit FCers to make gil on, and in some cases, wont allow you to skill up, depending on how many mobs you take.
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By Sylph.Kawar 2012-06-07 18:46:10
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Odin.Ketsuu said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
before i add to the topic what is FC mean and are u talking about the people that shout pay per hour for x number of exp.

how is what they are doing bad.
FC means Fell Cleave, a Great Axe Area of Effect weapon skill, and yes, these are the people sitting in Port Jeuno with one character shouting, and FCing on another character. This is bad because they are there 24 hours a day, and essentially have monopolized the camp(s) they're at, creating one less thing for the legit FCers to make gil on, and in some cases, wont allow you to skill up, depending on how many mobs you take.
0 now knowing this yes it sounds like they are rmt people more and more but i cant say for sure seeing as this sounds like a gray area in the rules.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-06-07 18:49:56
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I know what you mean. But with some threats they hooked me up!!
Unlimited pops and some free crour.
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By Odin.Ketsuu 2012-06-07 18:58:35
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Sylph.Kawar said: »
Odin.Ketsuu said: »
Sylph.Kawar said: »
before i add to the topic what is FC mean and are u talking about the people that shout pay per hour for x number of exp.

how is what they are doing bad.
FC means Fell Cleave, a Great Axe Area of Effect weapon skill, and yes, these are the people sitting in Port Jeuno with one character shouting, and FCing on another character. This is bad because they are there 24 hours a day, and essentially have monopolized the camp(s) they're at, creating one less thing for the legit FCers to make gil on, and in some cases, wont allow you to skill up, depending on how many mobs you take.
0 now knowing this yes it sounds like they are rmt people more and more but i cant say for sure seeing as this sounds like a gray area in the rules.
Its not a question of if theyre RMTs, cause its pretty obvious theyre RMTs. I mean, who else would be FCing for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, non -stop, and still have shitty gear? The RMT FCers on Odin have been banned on several occasions, and have come back with bought accounts, its very obvious that theyre RMTs.
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By Ragnarok.Raizensun 2012-06-07 19:19:26
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Here's a idea make abby for 75+ that in itself would stop a lot of it
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By Enuyasha 2012-06-07 19:23:54
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Ragnarok.Raizensun said: »
Here's a idea make abby for 75+ that in itself would stop a lot of it
nah...parties still wont let you in until you're 80+...wont solve it all.

and technically you cant hit most things until 75+...suuuooo...its already content for 75+ that you can access at 30.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-06-07 19:46:27
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I still haven't developed even the slightest grasp on why people are so adamantly against the RMT cleave process.

It's free XP. Literally. There is nothing to be gained by XPing on your own time. If you feel there is, your argument walked out in 2007.

It's currently one of the only ways Gil is being removed from the economy (when they get banned). There is a huge surplus of Gil at the moment, and if it continues in this manner basic consumables are going to start looking incredibly uninviting to the average player.

Just let it run its course and get over it. RMT has been on lockdown for quite some time, they get banned far faster than they can get rid of what they have. Even the high horse is trying to walk away - it's embarrassed.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-06-07 21:00:31
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Ryuotas, the only people that care about RMT are the noobs who don't seem to understand the game. Leave it alone, and move on.
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By Bahamut.Bekisa 2012-06-07 21:10:20
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Sad to say it but the on the topic of the original post I made, the third and final FC group we had is MIA too now. Whoever started the ***storm got what they want until they restart more characters and do it again heh
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-06-07 21:11:42
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Ryuotas, the only people that care about RMT are the noobs who don't seem to understand the game. Leave it alone, and move on.

So basically, the general consensus is to sweep problems under the rug. Got it. I don't need any more confirmation beyond that.
Well the #&%#$ do something about it instead of bitching about it on a site that seems to be ok with 3rd pty tools. This is not the place where people care.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-06-07 21:14:12
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Odin.Ryuotas said: »
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Ryuotas, the only people that care about RMT are the noobs who don't seem to understand the game. Leave it alone, and move on.

So basically, the general consensus is to sweep problems under the rug. Got it. I don't need any more confirmation beyond that.

People who are defending FC RMT are the same ppl who want to lvl afk cause otherwise theres no reson to justify it. The only helpful RMT were telebots cause 99% of the whm wouldnt do it.
 
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-06-07 21:14:53
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A few players being strong-armed out of the cleave business is an extraordinarily isolated issue. Any amount of gil being taken out of the economy is a server-wide benefit. How you can assert that anyone else is shortsighted is beyond me.
 
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-06-07 21:19:18
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Odin.Ryuotas said: »
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Ryuotas, the only people that care about RMT are the noobs who don't seem to understand the game. Leave it alone, and move on.

So basically, the general consensus is to sweep problems under the rug. Got it. I don't need any more confirmation beyond that.
Well the #&%#$ do something about it instead of bitching about it on a site that seems to be ok with 3rd pty tools. This is not the place where people care.

It's not up to me to rectify the situation, I was only countering the opinions of some of the people posting. Third-Party Tools have nothing to do with this, and despite your claims, people on this site do have consciences. I've stated my piece, in any case; if you'd like to continue this in PM, feel free to shoot me a message (I'd rather not derail the thread, if it's all the same to you).
You derailed the thread the moment you entered it. We enjoy FC. WE offered suggestions on how to avoid the RMT. You are just annoiying us.
 
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-06-07 21:20:07
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If your friends can't cleave somewhere else, that's there problem. There are 8 other abyssea zones with cleavable monsters.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-06-07 21:20:37
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There are a myriad of possible productive sources of income. Your friends are stubborn, stupid, or both. Their issue is isolated, and the force that they're staunchly defying is a mostly positive one for your server. You're being infinitely more shortsighted than anyone you're accusing of such behavior.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-06-07 21:20:54
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Odin.Ryuotas said: »
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A few players being strong-armed out of the cleave business is an extraordinarily isolated issue. Any amount of gil being taken out of the economy is a server-wide benefit. How you can assert that anyone else is shortsighted is beyond me.

My issue has nothing to do with Gil being removed from the economy. I was only expressing that I disagreed with RMT FCs on a level of courtesy and common decency (because like you said, some people - in my case, who are friends of mine - are being weaseled out of a great source of in-game income). My quarrel isn't with the economy, it's with people being stepped on and it not being labelled as abhorrent conduct. That's all.
What's the difference between me going out and cleaving your friend's mobs vs an RMT group?
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