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 Valefor.Neokenesis
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By Valefor.Neokenesis 2012-06-06 04:36:18
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How close are Spharai 99 from counter cap? I'm guessing SE aren't going to be nice enough for us to hit cap w/o counterstance. However I could be wrong.

So the real question is:
What is better with Spharai99 Counterstance up or down?

Thanks in advance for advice.
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By Azmodan 2012-06-06 06:12:20
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BG says that Spharai's counter increases by only 1-2% per rank.
So add 5 - 10% counter on top of whatever its base was. (25%?) Personally wouldn't be surprised if it was only 5% because of how the game has always been set to increase with higher quality items. Only recently have they started making stats on certain gear 3% above their NQ counterpart.
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By Siren.Inuyushi 2012-06-06 06:22:40
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Well, lets see... Counter has a hard cap at 80% (or +80) Source. With a max hit rate of 95%, you'll only get up to a 76% hit rate on it though, but we still need the 80 to get 76 (not including perfect counter).

If we assume that the trend of Counter increases by 5 on Spharai every level, then by my math you should get counter +30 on Spharai 99, but even if you only get +20 like wiki reports. Then however Counterstance works with the base counter trait (60 or 63), you should be able to hit cap with just AFv2 Counterstance.

As everything in ffxi, it's situationally dependent. You have to ask yourself, do you want to sacrifice alot of gear to get to the 80 cap? Without CS you would need 37 or 47 Counter depending on what the Counter of 99 Spharai actually is (80 - 43, or 80 - 33). I would bet that you're better of with CS and capping the rest with Spharai and wearing DD gear.

PS - Forgive the beer math, just tryin to help overall.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-06-06 07:16:13
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Spharai 99 has something around +15% counter. For info like that go to bgwiki not ffxiclopedia...

bgwiki is down now so I cant check how much improvement you get by +2 melee gaiters. Its probably enough to cap counter with counterstance with AF2+2 feet and Spharai 99. You are not even half capped without counterstance tho.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-06-06 07:53:01
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It's probably +13% counter on the 99, yeah.

Base = 17%
Spharai = 13%
Counterstance Base = 45%
AF2+2 enhancement = 10%

55%+30% = 85%, so 5% over cap. You could remove counter merits if there was something better to do with them! =p
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By Valefor.Neokenesis 2012-06-06 09:51:25
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Thank-you to everyone that responded. I never realized how little counter Spharai actually gave until today. It's good to know that I can hit cap though.

Thank-you again.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-06-06 09:59:51
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At 75, the NA lore was that it gave +10 Counter. JP lore was that it gave +5 Counter. Testing over the last two years has showed them to be correct.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-06-06 13:18:08
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Since Rag's crit rate scales from 5>14%, I'd guess Spharai probably scales the same and 99 version is counter +14. The problem lies that to distinguish between 13 or 14 you would need a counter sample of around 30k. I usually just go with 14 when doing anything involving counter percentages.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-11 13:04:25
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Derp
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-07-11 13:09:22
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Are you sure? He's pretty explicit in that thread and his confidence intervals don't overlap.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-11 13:40:47
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Might just have to wait for Diasetsu on this one -- he didn't send any supplemental data with the message. Hopefully he pops up to potentially clarify.

I will save my original post to a .txt and edit it to prevent any potential misinformation.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-07-11 14:33:27
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Who dares to awaken me from my slumber!!!?!

Seriously though, running out to the store real fast, but what are you guys talking about here?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-07-11 14:35:05
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Do Melee Gaiters +2 give a 5% or 10% boost to Counterstance?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-07-11 15:03:00
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Gaiters +2 give counter +10 under counterstance.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-11 15:32:11
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Well, that went from massive *** to limp noodle in one afternoon flat. Thank you for the clarification.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-07-11 15:37:10
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I have no idea what's going on in this necrobump.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-07-11 15:38:55
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I believe a larger post explaining the context was edited or deleted. I don't know why, but I read it a few hours ago.
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By Sylph.Wardeniii 2012-07-11 19:50:08
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I just removed my initial post as to not confuse anyone. The bottom line is that I wrongly interpreted a message Diasetsu sent to me a few months ago, and was under the impression it had some implications regarding the counter rate given by melee gaiters +2--apologies for the confusion.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-11 19:56:42
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The Melee gaiters +2 have Counter+12 enhancement giving you +62 counter with Counterstance. +5 merits = 67%. Spharai 99 have +13 counter = 80% counter.

All you need too cap is +2 Melee gaiters
99 Spharai
and 5 merits in counter.

Fast cast on RDM body went from 10 to 12
Nin legs went from 5 to 7
Rdm hat went from 1 refresh too 2
Sam hands got some extra tp per tick on hands

logically those boots have to have +12 counter and if they did, it would make perfect sense.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-07-11 20:10:39
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-07-11 20:10:48
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good thing diasetsu tested it then, otherwise we'd have to go off your speculation
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-07-11 20:12:00
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
good thing diasetsu tested it then, otherwise we'd have to go off your speculation
It's funny because that's a bald-faced lie.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2012-07-11 20:15:16
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I think you forgot base counter rate Mnkk. Counterstance + 99 spharai + Melee gaiters+2 + merits + base rate = something over 80%

What is base counter rate btw, I've seen different values thrown out there.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-07-11 20:17:49
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
It's probably +13% counter on the 99, yeah.

Base = 17%
Spharai = 13%
Counterstance Base = 45%
AF2+2 enhancement = 10%

55%+30% = 85%, so 5% over cap. You could remove counter merits if there was something better to do with them! =p
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2012-07-11 20:23:02
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BG says: 12%
FFXIwiki says: 13%

So he must be including merits to get 17% as base.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-11 20:34:00
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62% includes the base counter rate from what I've understood and if it is not included it would just further sulitify what I already said about the boots spharai and merit capping out your counter.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-07-11 21:11:12
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Damn, I don't even understand why there is any arguing about the numbers.

Here is my Counterstance testing if you want to know where all the figures come from.

Plain and simple since some people aren't grasping.

Counterstance adds 45% counter.
99 Monk has a base of 12% counter.
99 Monk with 5 Counter Merits has 17% counter.(12+5=17)
99 Monk with merits using Counterstance has a 62% counter rate.(12+5+45=62)
99 Monk with merits, using Counterstance activated with Melee Gaiters +1 has 67% counter.
Melee Gaiters +1 add 5% counter.(67-62=5)
99 Monk with merits, using Counterstance activated with Melee Gaiters +2 has 72% counter rate.
Melee Gaiters +2 add 10% counter.(72-62=10)

As far as 99 Spharai,I don't think there is any actual testing, atleast none that I have seen. The 13% Counter number being thrown around is based on a linear increase from what we do know.
Level 75 Spharai= Enhances Counter= 5% counter
Level 80= Enhances Counter II= 7%
Level 85= Enhances Counter III= 9%
Level 90= Enhances Counter IV= 11%
Level 99= Enhances Counter V would then most likely be 13%

Ragnorak Crit Rate seems to have the same growth pattern and is 14% crit at 99, so Spharai 99 could also be 14%.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-11 21:18:11
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Either way
Spharai with af+2 feet and merit will cap your counter then.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-11 21:18:43
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Like i said before and people still bitched at me like they will always do.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-07-11 21:30:44
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You really don't get it, do you?
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