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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2014-11-19 09:19:47
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Any place for Tati earring for Requiescat or Brutal/Moonshade still reign up there?
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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-11-19 09:38:43
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Can absolute terror any unity NM, makes them piss easy
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By Nazrious 2014-11-19 09:57:00
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Asura.Highwynn said: »
Can absolute terror any unity NM, makes them piss easy

O rly?

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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2014-11-19 19:25:13
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Best way to get Store TP augments on 2x Neshutan clubs?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-11-19 19:57:41
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Praying.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-11-19 20:21:23
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truckloads of stones and a little luck
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2014-11-19 21:28:54
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Got plenty of leafslit +1 thx to red pells xd
 
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2014-11-20 05:12:32
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I had decent luck with Hagondes+1 augmenting for 4 pieces with my 15 stacks of Wailing+1 ^^
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-11-20 16:06:05
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I've finally gotten off my butt and started working towards a Tizona, and I just unlocked Expiacion last night. Has anybody managed to make this outperform CDC? I also have read conflicting reports on whether or not it can crit, so if anybody has advice on gearing I'd appreciate it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-11-20 16:10:45
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Unless the WS explicitly says that it can crit, it can't crit. It also doesn't outperform CDC unless you're using it at 3000TP with a tizona and that's only because you're activating AM.
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By Asura.Darvamos 2014-11-22 04:34:12
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Odin.Nikia said: »
Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Got plenty of leafslit +1 thx to red pells xd

Be ready to kill someone if your luck is like mine.
Went through 15 stacks of Wailing+1 and got a single MAB+14 augment on Hag body.

Thought Wailing +1 MAB was 20~ as a base.
Ah no +2 is 20 for base.
+1 is 10
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By Asura.Highwynn 2014-11-22 08:31:47
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Thats why i prefer keeping my nq hagones with mab+25-30, verdigris+2 are like 70% cheaper than wailing+2 plus i already spent millions on those augments. No need to +1 those pieces for an extra 2-3 int/mnd since these new spells like subduction and rail cannon have such low secondary modifiers.
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By Ragnarok.Luloo 2014-11-24 10:13:19
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Hey immortals, new ta+2 cape from unity bis for tp/requiescat now?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-11-24 17:51:04
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Bleating mantle is superior to any situation in which you used to use Atheling, yes.

In other news, my entire wardrobe and 50 inventory slots are filled by blue mage equipment. Wardrobe 2 when!?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mckenzee 2014-11-25 01:04:22
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so, I've been playin with my blu a bit working on bleating mantle, and while beating the ram up, i started thinking. My plain melee tp set looks like this
ItemSet 331036

for necks, I've got
asperity necklace
rancor collar
nefarious collar +1

and backs
atheling, soon to be bleating
rancorous

got used to using a rancor item back in the abyssea days, and since my thf and nin have started bringing back the neck, I got to wondering if they still have a place in blu tp sets. your thoughts on best combo for say up to delve fodder/gates nm fodder?
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By Siren.Kyte 2014-11-25 01:34:51
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Nefarious is kinda shitty, you really just want a good accuracy neck and Asperity.
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By Refia1 2014-11-25 01:57:15
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Sylph.Oraen said: »
Bleating mantle is superior to any situation in which you used to use Atheling, yes.

In other news, my entire wardrobe and 50 inventory slots are filled by blue mage equipment. Wardrobe 2 when!?

Better than Annealed Mantle?? That has 4% DA.
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By Sylph.Oraen 2014-11-25 02:47:16
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Refia1 said: »
Sylph.Oraen said: »
Bleating mantle is superior to any situation in which you used to use Atheling, yes.

In other news, my entire wardrobe and 50 inventory slots are filled by blue mage equipment. Wardrobe 2 when!?

Better than Annealed Mantle?? That has 4% DA.

Last I checked, Bleating is better than Annealed in all situations except firesday, in which Annealed wins by a very very small amount.
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By Ragnarok.Luloo 2014-11-26 05:09:56
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Next update will improve cdc (potency/tp bonus), expiacion (potency/tp bonus) and savage blade (potency). In wondering whether its finally the time of unlocking expiacion....
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-11-26 05:31:00
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unlikely since CDC is getting a boost along with it. expiacion would need an extreme fTP bonus to be better
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By Ragnarok.Luloo 2014-11-26 05:35:30
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Thx Prot, as usual
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-11-26 06:56:13
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THE CONTENTS OF THIS POST ARE FORMULATIVE. DO NOT HOLD ANY OF THEM AS ABSOLUTE.

We may be seeing a golden age for BLU in this next update. Previously mentioned WS buffs:

The potency of the following weapon skills will be increased.
Dancing Edge / Shark Bite / Evisceration / Mercy Stroke / Mordant Rime /
Pyrrhic Kleos / Rudra's Storm / Vorpal Blade / Savage Blade /
Knights of Round / Death Blossom / Expiacion / Rampage / Calamity /
Mistral Axe / Decimation / Onslaught / Bora Axe / Ruinator / Blade: Jin /
Blade : Ku / Blade: Metsu / Blade: Kamu / Blade : Hi / Blade: Shun /
True Strike / Judgement / Hexastrike / Black Halo / Randgrith /
Realmrazer / Exenterator / Chant du Cygne

The TP Bonuses for the following weapons will be increased.
Mandalic Stab / Rudra’s Storm / Savage Blade / Expiacion / Calamity /
Mistral Axe / Blade: Ten / Judgement / Black Halo / Mystic Boon

Bonuses for the following weapon skills that only applied at initial ranks will now be applied to all ranks.
Dancing Edge / Evisceration / Pyrrhic Kleos / Vorpal Blade / Swift Blade /
Rampage / Decimation / Blade: Jin / Blade: Ku / Hexastrike / Exenterator /
Chant du Cygne



here's the interesting parts:

The potency of the following weapon skills will be increased.
Vorpal Blade / Expiacion / Realmrazer / Chant du Cygne

The TP Bonuses for the following weapons will be increased.
Expiacion

Bonuses for the following weapon skills that only applied at initial ranks will now be applied to all ranks.
Vorpal Blade / Chant du Cygne



what this probably means:

The 1000TP fTP points will be increased for these weaponskills:
Vorpal Blade / Expiacion / Realmrazer / Chant du Cygne

The 20000/3000TP fTP points will be increased for these weaponskills:
Expiacion

fTP will transfer from the first hit to every other hit for the following weaponskills:
Vorpal Blade / Chant du Cygne



Reasoning for the third part:

1) Help of a JP literate friend and some cross referencing with old merit WSs posts suggests similar terminology to fTP transferal.

2) A large number of to-be-adjusted weaponskills are omitted from this list. If another one of the possible changes (see below) were taking place, it seems unlikely that they'd be left out.

3) Weaponskills with transferring fTP are all omitted from the third list.



Other possiblities:

1) Bonuses such as accuracy and attack bonuses that normally affect only the first hit will transfer to the other hits of the weaponskill.

2) fTP bonuses (day/weather, gorgets) will transfer to all hits of the weaponskill, but not first hit http://fTP.







Why is this good for BLU? It puts us in the second place DD position (below Koga SAM) and possibly in first place for some situations. This sort of buff translates to a 35%-71.4% increase in Chant du Cygne's damage before accounting for multihits. I shouldn't need to tell you why this is huge.

Worth noting that CDC is on the end of the list, which is peculiar. It is out of place both visually on the list in terms of weapon type sorting and it's the only weaponskill that benefits massively from an fTP transfer. We'll see how this develops.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-11-26 07:15:09
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Why is this good for BLU? It puts us in the second place DD position (below Koga SAM) and possibly in first place for some situations.


BLU is already pretty OP on Tojil thanks to the ability to cover all 4 dmg phrase and bonus dmg on piercing/slashing/blunt. Idk if any DD can compete if Realmrazer / Chant du Cygne gets further buffs.
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By Ragnarok.Luloo 2014-11-26 07:26:35
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Why is this good for BLU? It puts us in the second place DD position (below Koga SAM) and possibly in first place for some situations.


BLU is already pretty OP on Tojil thanks to the ability to cover all 4 dmg phrase and bonus dmg on piercing/slashing/blunt. Idk if any DD can compete if Realmrazer / Chant du Cygne gets further buffs.

Who cares bout tojil? And u also know already i dont like your blu! Well at least u'r better than some lost world, though u still behind me!
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-11-26 07:26:53
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not terribly interested in Tojil myself since Wopket exists and Delve is easy regardless, but I suppose so. more interested in BLU being applicable for all melee friendly endgame activities on a more widespread scale.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2014-11-26 07:55:09
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what is optimal dps if you have unlimited mp? Is there a spell spamming rotation that beats mixed melee+CA+WS?

I've done cp party with a few BLUs (i'm on cor and havent played blu in long time) and noticed they only start to parse well if the whm props up their mp pool with devotion,etc.
I think we got the BLU buffed up to 19/tick refresh messing around with buffs+refresh sphere+moogle+evoker roll+geo etc.

Maybe these blu are bad and they are terrible at mp management or something, this is for Dho/Woh targets. Should they not be spamming sinker drill or what?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-11-26 07:55:46
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Ragnarok.Luloo said: »
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Why is this good for BLU? It puts us in the second place DD position (below Koga SAM) and possibly in first place for some situations.


BLU is already pretty OP on Tojil thanks to the ability to cover all 4 dmg phrase and bonus dmg on piercing/slashing/blunt. Idk if any DD can compete if Realmrazer / Chant du Cygne gets further buffs.

Who cares bout tojil? And u also know already i dont like your blu! Well at least u'r better than some lost world, though u still behind me!


No way! You didn't win parse in incursion! And you ninja engage everytime :X

Valefor.Prothescar said: »
not terribly interested in Tojil myself since Wopket exists and Delve is easy regardless, but I suppose so. more interested in BLU being applicable for all melee friendly endgame activities on a more widespread scale.

It's more fun to do tojil though!
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-11-26 07:58:11
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with this? CA/EFF only spells. removing from WS frequency and TP phase damage to toss out a 3k sinker drill is going to be enormously detractant to overall DPS if this fTP transfer thing happens

spell delay removes 1-3 melee rounds every time you cast a spell.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2014-11-26 08:02:05
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
with this? CA/EFF only spells. removing from WS frequency and TP phase damage to toss out a 3k sinker drill is going to be enormously detractant to overall DPS if this fTP transfer thing happens
Just in general like right now the way things are there are so many BLU running around and they all seem to have their own ideas of optimal amount of casting/ws'ing/meleeing.
I'd like to maybe play the job since I havent touched it in over 8 months, back then casting alot of spells was considered bad dps but some of these new spells hit pretty damn hard just from eyeballing it.
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