90 Masamune Vs TP Bonus GKT Vs 95 Amano |
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90 Masamune vs TP Bonus GKT vs 95 Amano
Oh I had just skimmed it. My mistake. I admit I can't follow the math all too well, but wouldn't it be rare to have capped pDIF?
Asura.Fondue said: » where is 95amano using kaiten with capped pDIF in that? 3.0 ftp 25% damage boost also 124 base damage I dont mean physically where in the calculation you just did, I mean where does it rank up 2747.014326 Thats at exactly 100tp and no moonshade. Kaiten is a very good WS at 100tp, the second you go above Fudo craps on it. (Haga,Sekki,moonshade,wings,DA/TA/QA overflow etc) 99 Kaiten pulls ahead of Fudo a lot of the time. 99Masa > 99Amano > 95Masa > 90Masa > 95Amano > Tpbonus > 85Masa > 90Amano Shiva.Paulu said: » Oh I had just skimmed it. My mistake. I admit I can't follow the math all too well, but wouldn't it be rare to have capped pDIF? Not on old content, heavily buffed zergs, new nyzul etc. thanks for the info sir '-')/
Cool taint haha. Well if people actually make a good fudo set, you can crack up to 4k in VW on non tier 6 monsters btw. That's pretty good for fudo for only using it x2 max a fight lol.
Cerberus.Taint said: » Valefor.Caelir said: » What Fondue said.... I cant imagine in any situation where Fudo will be used except for aftermath. Fudo 60% STR 100TP: 3.75 200TP: 4.75 300TP: 5.75 114 - base damage 20 - fSTR 237 - STR (just/beir+1)+13 60 - mod 0.85 - alpha 120.87 3.75 - fTP 2.25 - pDIF 2150.465625 103% - Shura+1 WSdmg+3 2214.979594 119% - overwelm 2635.825717 Shoha 100% STR (after gorget and 2nd hit) 100TP: 1.375 (2.475) 200TP: 2.15 (3.25) 300TP: 2.65 (3.75) 114 20 214 (gorget/windbuffet) 100 0.85 181.9 2.765 2.25 1965.292875 103% 2024.251661 119% 2408.859477 Also mekira-oto+1 works better on Shoha rather than Shura Zunari Kabuto +1. (well nvm, probably not) And if you consider the DA probability, Shoha will pull further due to higher D before http://fTP. Asura.Vrytreya said: » 237-214 != 13 Also mekira-oto+1 works better on Shoha rather than Shura Zunari Kabuto +1. (well nvm, probably not) And if you consider the DA probability, Shoha will pull further due to higher D before http://fTP. I knew I would mess up lol. I did it really fast at work using old data I had. 2473.675259 With -13str is the correct number. DA would effect Shoha more at lower TP lvls. (Fudo scales better) 100tp 3 hit Shoha - 3368.313689 2 hit Fudo - 3338.712574 300tp 3hit Shoha - 4249.532543 2hit Fudo - 4744.48629 Obviously capping pDIF with Shoha is a hell of a lot easier then Fudo. Fudo is a very nice WS when buffed which is why maintaining AM is not as big of a deal as most people try to make it out to be. I did not account for TPbonus moonshade (which everyone should have) I just wanted to clarify my post: Shoha > Fudo most of the time. Fudo benefits from SC properties and a high http://fTP. (and ofcourse AM with Masa) Shoha benefits from an att bonus (est 40%), 100wsc. (being a 2hit WS can be argued either way) When I look back at my parses I do 10 shohas for every Fudo. Quote: 99Masa > 99Amano > 95Masa > 90Masa > 95Amano > Tpbonus > 85Masa > 90Amano Shouldn't 99 amano be top on anything accuracy is beneficial for, and on anything that you have pdif high enough to make 99kaiten usable? That seems way too generalized. For something like nyzul maybe, wouldn't 99 amano pull ahead? Lots of running around so unlikely that aftermath is fulltimed, also wouldn't kaiten pull ahead on the EP/DC mobs?
Asura.Failaras said: » Quote: 99Masa > 99Amano > 95Masa > 90Masa > 95Amano > Tpbonus > 85Masa > 90Amano Yes it can pull ahead if you are using a lot of the 40acc. The problme is SAM has less of an ACC problem compared to other 2hand DDs sitting on a 60+ % zanshin rate and the ability to sub WAR with no negative impact. There are definitely times Amano99>Masa99 but they would be an incredibly small fraction of the time. Phoenix.Dramatica said: » Shouldn't 99 amano be top on anything accuracy is beneficial for, and on anything that you have pdif high enough to make 99kaiten usable? That seems way too generalized. For something like nyzul maybe, wouldn't 99 amano pull ahead? Lots of running around so unlikely that aftermath is fulltimed, also wouldn't kaiten pull ahead on the EP/DC mobs? Fupafighters said: » Phoenix.Dramatica said: » Shouldn't 99 amano be top on anything accuracy is beneficial for, and on anything that you have pdif high enough to make 99kaiten usable? That seems way too generalized. For something like nyzul maybe, wouldn't 99 amano pull ahead? Lots of running around so unlikely that aftermath is fulltimed, also wouldn't kaiten pull ahead on the EP/DC mobs? And Kaiten is far from useless. It's better than Fudo now with the innate 40% damage bonus on Amano 99. At a guess, I'd say Masa 99 vs Amano 99 plays out more like this: -Amano wins when acc matters -Masa wins when acc doesn't matter, but pDIF is sufficiently low to justify using Shoha -Amano wins when pDIF is high enough to exploit Kaiten And there are rare situations where that occurs from my experience so far. I really never see an issue with acc, even on higher tier VW. And kaiten doesn't benefit from stuff like sekkanoki at 200% with +2 hands, or hagakure, or any extra TP. That's the part that makes me feel like kaiten isn't worth it. Being a career sam, I would still like a 99 amano, but I just don't see it being more potent than a 99 masamune. Just my opinion, judge me all you want.
If you don't have acc issues on T6, you're full of ***, especially since you don't use bards, let alone Durblahblah ones.
Ramuh.Austar said: » If you don't have acc issues on T6, you're full of ***, especially since you don't use bards, let alone Durblahblah ones. For WS? Who cares what acc you have on SAM?
Since Ig-Alima is level 120, level correction alone *** you on accuracy, and if T3s are 110 like some speculate, that's 40 more accuracy alone you'd need to cap without even factoring in his already naturally higher evasion. Ramuh.Austar said: » For WS? Who cares what acc you have on SAM? Since Ig-Alima is level 20, level correction alone *** you on accuracy, and if T3s are 110 like some speculate, that's 40 more accuracy alone you'd need to cap without even factoring in his already naturally higher evasion. Fupafighters said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » For WS? Who cares what acc you have on SAM? Since Ig-Alima is level 20, level correction alone *** you on accuracy, and if T3s are 110 like some speculate, that's 40 more accuracy alone you'd need to cap without even factoring in his already naturally higher evasion. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Fupafighters said: » Phoenix.Dramatica said: » Shouldn't 99 amano be top on anything accuracy is beneficial for, and on anything that you have pdif high enough to make 99kaiten usable? That seems way too generalized. For something like nyzul maybe, wouldn't 99 amano pull ahead? Lots of running around so unlikely that aftermath is fulltimed, also wouldn't kaiten pull ahead on the EP/DC mobs? And Kaiten is far from useless. It's better than Fudo now with the innate 40% damage bonus on Amano 99. At a guess, I'd say Masa 99 vs Amano 99 plays out more like this: -Amano wins when acc matters -Masa wins when acc doesn't matter, but pDIF is sufficiently low to justify using Shoha -Amano wins when pDIF is high enough to exploit Kaiten ^ /thread as well as Taint's calculations/sources were very well done. ^_*)y Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Huh? And Kaiten is far from useless. It's better than Fudo now with the innate 40% damage bonus on Amano 99. At a guess, I'd say Masa 99 vs Amano 99 plays out more like this: -Amano wins when acc matters -Masa wins when acc doesn't matter, but pDIF is sufficiently low to justify using Shoha -Amano wins when pDIF is high enough to exploit Kaiten While these are what I believed, the only issue I feel might have been missed is tp overflow. The bold statement is very correct at exactly 100%tp. The second it goes over that (overflow, moonshade, hagakure etc)it starts to favour Masa making it a less convincing win for amano. Not sure if it's been mathed out but this is why I believed 99 masa > 99 amano. Not trying to put amano down as kaiten has always been a fantasic WS(and anyone who hints at it being usless is just wrong) but by not being a WS that increases damage with TP has made it suffer in more recent updates. Ramuh.Austar said: » For WS? Who cares what acc you have on SAM? Since Ig-Alima is level 120, level correction alone *** you on accuracy, and if T3s are 110 like some speculate, that's 40 more accuracy alone you'd need to cap without even factoring in his already naturally higher evasion. This 1000x if you have masa over amano carry some sushi around for T6's Edit: It's right at the top and I missed it ._. can ignore all this except the sushi bit |
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