Relic Vs Empyrean Vs Mythic

Hey everyone,
I'm looking for Relic + Mythic axe owners who have the axes at level 90+ to share information with me.
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I'm interested in a few things:
Highest weaponskill damage inside Abyssea with the unique weaponskill for that weapon.
Average weaponskill damage inside Abyssea " ".
Highest weaponskill damage outside Abyssea " ".
Average weaponskill damage outside Abyssea " ".
Gear sets you use with the weaponskill.
Critical High's in Abyssea.
Critical High's outside Abyssea.
I'm mainly looking for data on experience type monsters (stuff you would kill in an experience/merit group or stuff you would kill inside Dynamis).
However I would also like some data on Tier NMs (not standard). (IE: Bukhis, Byakko, Cara, Ulhua, Kirin, Jailers). aka stuff that has the potential of resisting or evading parts of the weaponskill.
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Things I'm not interested in:
At this point in the information gathering I'm not interested in any damage on Voidwatch monsters. Or newer content like Neo Nyzul.
I'm not interested in speculation, I'd like straight factual information from your screen(AKA screen shots if the claim might seem unbelievable) to mine.
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I have no qualms with information being posted into this thread but would prefer you PM'd me to make it easier to collect and organize.
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If anyone has a working parser that includes pets would you also post a link in this thread so those involved can use it to send me information?
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Thanks,
Rab


EDIT: For Abyssea testing please include Atma sets used and use seperate data for high damage based on different Atma sets used.

id actully would like feedback on this as well <3

I'm not sure on pretty much anything you ask for,but on a side benefit,I hear the increases pet atk bonus thing is pretty strong even on the 75 base weapon.

Nothing you're asking for is relevant to a comparison. Aymur is better when AM3 is realistic, Guttler is better when it's not. Farscha is only good for brewing.

And demanding screenshots and other nonsense is a great way to turn off the mathematically inclined portion of the forum, which is where real information comes from.

Man if only there was a place to test things like this out, without actually going through the work of building the weapons before hand to see if they are worth it.

lolz,

I definitely have side w/ Minjo and Draugo here.

Its hard not to make a snarky comments.

Minjo gave you a great summary, though I'd have to say I prefer aymur even when level 3 aftermath won't be very practical simply for the pet bonuses.

Really, go on the test server if you want to compare. The information is not readily available. There might be a decent number of guttler owners out there who might have some info... but there is only 1 player who has legitimately completed Aymur that I know of. He was the first and so far only one to publish it.

Everything you last three posters just said,
is either common sense, or unproven speculation.

It is my fault that I did not specify that I already have tested the weapons on Undine, I guess, since I don't post here often I do not believe many know anything or much about my methodology.

However, I do not have optimal sets for relic and mythic and thus my reasoning for wanting to see data on only what I asked for.

I'm not here to throw around what I feel is best I'm here for "information" and facts.

Try to not post in this thread again if you do not have evidence to add to it.

Thanks,
Rab

I have evidence that the cake is a lie....

If you include their pets, then BST will parse 100% of whatever they're fighting.

If you're trying to decide which is better, you don't "test" it. You test unknown properties of items.

Once you know the values involved, it's pretty much trivial to spit out a number that tells you which item is superior in a given set of conditions.

If you know the optimal sets for this crap, there's a spreadsheet that will tell you the max/min hittable values for everything you're asking.

No, dude. He wants random screenshots. Duh. Read the OP!

Link to the spread sheet?

Had to quote this to ask:
"What?"
What?

Please show me proof of your methodology where you have gathered such information and provided some meaningful conclusion with the questions you are asking.

You are requesting hours of parses & screenshots be provided to you from bst community and your 'methodology' looks useless.

NVM, turns out the BST spreadsheet doesn't exist yet. I suggest keeping an eye out here:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0A0wGYYRRdaZjdlNTdkNTEtMDMyYy00OTVmLWI4N2ItNDMwMDI1N2VkYWZk&hl=en

Right. You can't "Test" what's better in a reasonable time frame. You can do the math though, which would give you the approximatee expected values your "Tests" would converge to over thousands of repeated trials.

Weapon skills are easy to work out all but a few relic wses are actually good. In this case with beyond, ultimate and a chr+ or PW atmas primal rend will do alot more damage than onslaught but will sacrifice alot of pet buffs for it. Until SE announces the relic pet that will be tied to guttler aymur offers more for bst with the pet att+ and pet occ atts 2-3. Answer is bloody obvious really. For NMs it will be the pet not the master that will be doing all the work so again pets need certains buffs/atmas.

A Beastmaster worrying about epeen numbers instead of his pet. Poor pets got a bad master.

Thanks for this.


Has this been confirmed it will only be available to relic owners?
I did hear something of them adding special things to certain trials but they may also add it as a subtrial to all weapons or a seperate weapon all together.

Camate mentioned that some of the dev's liked the suggestion of having a Relic-unique pet.

That's the only information there has been on it. It would be really cool, but there is no telling how serious the idea is at this point.