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http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/spanking-kids-can-cause-long-term-harm-canada-study

edit: please refrain from making simple "kids need their *** beat or X" statement, it's a rather uneducated and unscientific proposition that has no founding and only serves as trolling here.

God damn Canadians Australians!

I'm not sure if I want to know...

***is situational.

Some kids respond to spanking whereas it can be more lucrative to punish in other ways - like taking away beloved objects - depending on the child.

whether or not it's functional as a "punishment" isn't the question, nor the discussion.

the discussion is whether or not a child's health is weighed less than a parent's "rights"

most would typically say no

beat the ***outta those *** im *** tired of hearing kids spitting/slapping their own moms wtf...

that is a really uneducated response...

I'm not sure about this just because of the sheer number of people I know who were spanked and turned out fine. I actually don't remember a single person who was spanked (in my memory) that didn't turn out fine.

I think there are better ways to punish a child, sure. But for a kid who just won't listen or in extreme cases, I believe a swat or two across the *** is a good way to get a point across-- you are the child, I am the adult, and you will behave. Period.

I do not think a spanking should ever be designed to actually hurt. Whenever I was spanked, it might have stung for a moment or two but it never hurt me. It was the embarrassment and humiliation of having been forcibly disciplined in front of my siblings, cousins, or friends that made me never want to be naughty again.

However, I do see how there could be a psychological effect. I distinctly remember one of my cousins being a holy brat, and my uncle (her father) turned her over his knee, placed one hand palm up over her butt, and smacked his hand with his other hand. He never even touched her, and everyone there (most of the extended family at the time) witnessed him not actually spanking her. But she cried for several minutes and insisted that her bum hurt. All in her head? Yes. Just the fact that she very firmly believed that she'd been hit when he had only hit his hand and not her at all speaks to the fact that there are psychological effects that people ought to be aware of.

It is my belief that spanking should never be a first option for punishment. It should be a last option, reserved for just absolutely unmanageable children or extreme circumstances. It should always be done out of caring and never out of anger, and never in a way that is designed to truly hurt. And it should be done with caution, always.

For goodness sake, I don't even spank my dogs very often. When they are bad I squirt them with a spray bottle. But in extreme cases? Sometimes it's just necessary. For example, in the first few weeks we had Pixel as a new puppy, she ran into the kitchen while I was cooking and had the oven open and very nearly jumped up onto the 350-degree hot oven door. I was terrified for her safety and slapped her away, hard. I'm sorry, but I would much rather have me slap her than let her burn herself badly. If I had a child in the same situation, yes, I would get them away from such danger by whatever means I felt was necessary at the time. Including hard physical force. If that makes me a bad person, well, so be it.

some kids need there *** beat or they turn out like snot nosed punks that should be in jail beat there *** when there young so they do not turn out like *** holes when older

Violence begets violence, It leads to anger then hate then more violence.

there's no circumstance which requires to hold down a child and beat their rear to prevent them from danger.

Nor have I ever seen/heard of this done outside of anger or in a way that wasn't designed to hurt.

Also yes hitting a person the fraction of your size to instill fear into them that you are the adult and in charge definitely works.

hitting a child always teaches them one thing: violence solves things.


"fine" is questionable in nature, but there's no way to actually determine this so yeah...

dogs also aren't humans and don't have the same rights (despite efforts by some nuts)

but like I said this isn't a debate about whether spanking works for what some say it's purpose is.

You would.

*sigh*

D;

As a child I was killed multiple times and I turned out fine.

Did you read what I said about a child walking into a hot oven? Yes. I will hit them away if I have to. And that is an acceptable circumstance. Luckily it wouldn't normally be required, as a simple 'no' would stop most children from doing it.


Like I said, when I was spanked it never hurt. And it wasn't done out of anger. My dad would tell me no first, and if I insisted on doing it again he would explain to me why I was wrong. If I insisted on doing it again, I got a spanking. When I was finished getting a single smack or two, my dad would hold me on his lap, explain that he'd had to spank me because I wasn't listening, and cuddle me until I stopped fussing. Cuddling your child and explaining things to them in a calm, logical manner is hardly angry.


You are confusing respect with fear. A child should never have to fear harm at the hands of their parents. And any good parent would do pretty much anything to keep their child from harm.



If it's done to hurt them or to show them that you are angry, yes. Otherwise, no. It teaches them to listen.


On this point, we agree. :-)


True. But usually in these types of discussion someone always comes in and says something about hitting your children like you hit your dogs. I find it disturbing to make a habit of hitting dogs, so obviously I find it disturbing to make it a habit of hitting children.


Unfortunately it will always come down to that in these sort of discussions. Someone is always going to think that spanking is the only method of punishment when it's not, and someone is always going to think that it's never acceptable under any circumstance regardless of any logic to the contrary.

So if hitting them doesn't make them listen what's next? Torture?

CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS.



it's just a flesh wound.


okay but, no.

I feel awkward having to punish my dogs at all... like, the most I've ever done was hold their snouts down in front of something they chewed up >.>... and even then, it didn't feel right D:

I was spanked once or twice as a kid... once because I was playing on a construction site near my house that my parents had explicitly told me not to go to. Then the second time cus I wandered away from my parents on halloween and they had to go on a wild goose chase >_>

both times my dad had explained that it wasn't because he wanted to hurt me, it was because he wanted to teach me a lesson... blah blah blah. I don't remember it because it hurt... but more because it was embarrassing.

I think I turned out okay D: (in real life I'm pretty quiet and not very emotional... but I grew up in a town where it wasn't really normal for guys to show any emotion at all, so I don't think that's really because of me getting spanked twice >_>)




On the other hand my mother's a bit of a basketcase... she'd randomly hit my younger brother for ***my sister said he did, and I'm not sure he did anything at all lol... She didn't touch me cus I think she knew I might lose it and do something back to her. Was close to losing it when I saw her hit my brother >.> Granted, my brother did do some crazy ***... pulled a knife on me once lololol. (I sorta thought it was funny though.)

1. I didn't say that and you avoided the question/statement.

2. again, whether or not it did hurt it was designed to do so (whether physically or emotionally).

3. spanking a child is the exact opposite of this as proven by scientific research, which was the point of this thread.

4. it's always done for those things and there's thousands of other ways to get them to listen that don't require holding them down and hitting them.

5. those people are barbaric on both counts as far as I'm concerned...

6. there is no logic to the contrary, unless you're saying that children have absolutely no rights, and that these only devolve is a problem of humanity and probably is derived from more of a root of the problem than most would like to admit.

The only kid I ever knew who didn't listen after being spanked got sent away to military school. :-( I don't believe his parents went about the whole thing correctly, but then again I'm not his parents.

Heh yes if you can't control em get rid of them.

Armchair quarterback parenting go!

That's a lie. I drug your *** out of the underworld.

as I'm trying to avoid completely devolving the thread, please state what purpose stating this logical fallacy serves?

That is a horrible subject title, I came here looking for maple syrup and moose.

canadian-ist!

if the powers that be decide to change it, so be it.

I just found it humorous.

i was spanked as a child, turned out to be just fine. around where i used to live i definitely could see the direct effects of "spare the rod, spoil the child" as was evidenced by a completely spoiled cousin visiting the county jail often. though he was by no means the only case of this it has helped to affirm that if a child deserves it, they should get it. i dont begrudge my dad for lessons i received with the aid of a belt and society shouldnt begrudge parents who use it as an effective tool.

The only thing I learned from getting spanked was don't get caught

Likewise.

If ppl don't listen hit them is all im getting from this.