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Israel Could Strike Iran in Spring
Leviathan.Chaosx said: » Quote: US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta believes there is a "strong possibility" that Israel will strike Iran's nuclear installations this spring, the Washington Post said Thursday in an editorial. " Both sides. One: Israel will do as they see fit. They have a much different view then the US does. And Two: You honestly going to believe what an American press company spews out? Especially the Washington post at that' Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » If America had stayed out of WWII, Germany would have eventually overrun Britain and with no threat from the West would have turned on Russia and no doubt beaten them as well thus conquering Europe, with that power behind them and their Japanese allies, America would have been next to fall. Ooh that was fun to write. Well, I know we're getting into a "ifs" and "buts" scenario here, but Japan's resources were very limited. You have to keep in mind that before the 1930's it was still very agricultural and dependent on fishing...Hold on...Wait...They have a good deal of mineral deposits, right? Either way, I still think China would have pushed them out eventually. Wasn't there rumblings of communism in the 1920's in China? China had the land-mass, population, and resources. I doubt Japan would be able to maintain the entire country, not to mention other countries in Asia. Who knows? It could have gone to the same guerrilla tactics used in Nam. If anything, history has taught us that colonization only works for so long before the indigenous people start getting restless. Cerberus.Sevvy said: » I firmly agree about what George Washington said in his Farewell Address. He warned about a lot of things but he also said that America should stay out of European (which was the world back then) affairs. We didn't get concerned with other countries affairs until WWI and look where it has led us. Again, I will say that Iran should not be allowed to get weapons, but the US doesn't really have to put their hand in everything that goes on in the world. PS: Good Morning! EDIT: I see that was responded too already, oh well. Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » If America had stayed out of WWII, Germany would have eventually overrun Britain and with no threat from the West would have turned on Russia and no doubt beaten them as well thus conquering Europe, with that power behind them and their Japanese allies, America would have been next to fall. Ooh that was fun to write. well we might disagree for the first time ever! the chinese were so doomed in that war it wasn't even funny. they were divided, broken, and on the verge of total defeat by the time the germans invaded poland. If the US or Russia had no plans to interfere, they (Nippon) would've ran the pacific & eastern asia. someone said they had a history degree in WWII, he might be able to be more specific, but I'm 90% sure on this one Siren.Mosin said: » Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Cerberus.Tidis said: » If America had stayed out of WWII, Germany would have eventually overrun Britain and with no threat from the West would have turned on Russia and no doubt beaten them as well thus conquering Europe, with that power behind them and their Japanese allies, America would have been next to fall. Ooh that was fun to write. well we might disagree for the first time ever! the chinese were so doomed in that war it wasn't even funny. they were divided, broken, and on the verge of total defeat by the time the germans invaded poland. If the US or Russia had no plans to interfere, they (Nippon) would've ran the pacific & eastern asia. someone said they had a history degree in WWII, he might be able to be more specific, but I'm 90% sure on this one Admittedly, I only have very general knowledge of the Pacific Front. So...I know that I could be very wrong. Asian history was never my "thing". It's pretty much, "Go go, MacArthur and Nimitz!", Yamamoto, Emperor Hirohito, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Bataan Death March, Iwo Jima (LOLjohnwayne), and USS Indianapolis. Those are pretty much the first things that pop in my head when I think of the Pacific Front. /shrug
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I have the degree but my specialization was Nazi Germany. I will tell you though the Chinese were no threat to Japan in WWII. They were so under prepared it was ridiculous. The only thing they had going for them was the number of people in their country, but they were so scattered and leaderless they didn't have a chance to rally.
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Cerberus.Sevvy said: » I have the degree but my specialization was Nazi Germany. I will tell you though the Chinese were no threat to Japan in WWII. They were so under prepared it was ridiculous. The only thing they had going for them was the number of people in their country, but they were so scattered and leaderless they didn't have a chance to rally. thats what I understood as well. no worries Zah, nothing but <3 my grandpa was in most engagements in the pacific front as an army ranger (he was already enlisted before the war) so I've been curious as to he pacific front since I was 16-17. probably the only reason I knew more :P
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Well, either way, my great-grandmother fled from Mecklenburg to Hesse in April of 1940 with six kids before American intervention.
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Well, either way, my great-grandmother fled from Mecklenburg to Hesse in April of 1940 with six kids before American intervention. I couldn't imagine...
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Siren.Mosin said: » Cerberus.Sevvy said: » I have the degree but my specialization was Nazi Germany. I will tell you though the Chinese were no threat to Japan in WWII. They were so under prepared it was ridiculous. The only thing they had going for them was the number of people in their country, but they were so scattered and leaderless they didn't have a chance to rally. thats what I understood as well. no worries Zah, nothing but <3 my grandpa was in most engagements in the pacific front as an army ranger (he was already enlisted before the war) so I've been curious as to he pacific front since I was 16-17. probably the only reason I knew more :P /highfive I like talking WWII. Especially accounts within people's families. I'm sure we all have those stories passed down. My American grandfather was in the Army Air Corps (What would eventually become the US Air Force.) He did flight training around College Station. He and my grandmother met because she was getting her degree in English at Texas A&M. He was sent to England at some point, and worked with the RAF. He flew cargo planes from North Africa to India for a good portion of the war. He has some wild tales about his travels during WWII that he put in memoirs. They're exciting to read! His brother was in the Navy, but died before he was deployed. He died in a drunken dare when he fell in ice on the Hudson River in New York. I don't know much else about him.
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Siren.Mosin said: » Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Well, either way, my great-grandmother fled from Mecklenburg to Hesse in April of 1940 with six kids before American intervention. I couldn't imagine... Yeah...There is a lot of nuttiness that went on during WWII with my German side of the family. My uncle's father (non blood relation) was one of the admirals that would have been a part of Operation Seelöwe that, thankfully, never came to. My great uncle was in the German infantry on the Eastern Front, and had a bullet pierce his helmet. He had an indention in his forehead from the bullet, and kept the bullet itself in his wallet until he died. His story was pretty sad. He was actually in a Russian internment camp until the early 1960's. I don't think anyone in our family has ever heard what happened in those years. My German grandfather was in the Hitler Youth. He said it was basically Boy Scout Camp.
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Discussion of Japan's actions in Manchuria in WW2 is a bit off-topic (other than regarding the general concept of isolationism and whether that would have prevented events like the Rape of Nanking or the Holocaust in a modern global-war scenario) but to that point, Japan created puppet governments in areas held on the Asian mainland, like "Manchukuo"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo ...which were actually very effective at holding the conquered populations in check and harnessing their resources for the imperial military machine. They even featured the story of it in that movie "The Last Emperor". :p It was the weakening of the Kuomingdang on the mainland during the war that allowed later for the Communists to rise so quickly and successfully, forcing the existing WW2 Chinese government to Formosa (Taiwan.) On-topic, I do wonder if the whole point of "releasing" this information into the media (on the part of Panetta and other US officials) is just a means to bring greater awareness of the issue to each parties, with the intent that it might pre-empt any actual attack (if there even was one actually intended.) While obviously Iran has had many many years to anticipate a reaction to such a strike (and actually has had their facilities destroyed or impaired already previously by Israeli attacks without reprisal in the last few years) it seems counter-intuitive that Israel would want to go ahead with such a strike if their plans were already telegraphed months in advance strategically. This gives a lot of notice for Iran to move facilities and personnel or further reinforce existing ones. Which is maybe the reaction for which the US/Israeli intelligence is hoping.
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This went from cool Israel vs Iran deathmatch thread, to a thread about that war they staged so they could eventually release 15 COD and Medal of Honor games.
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me too
that's awesome your grandfather wrote stuff down. that would be a really cool thing to have. Mine internallized and never said anything to anyone. My dad is super jealous of me because one time, he decided to lay it all on me for no particular reason shortly before he died when we took a road trip for a funeral. it was waaaaaaayyyy more than my slacker 16-17 yr old brain could handle. I wish I could at least have that conversation recorded or something.
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Fenrir.Schutz said: » Discussion of Japan's actions in Manchuria in WW2 is a bit off-topic (other than regarding the general concept of isolationism and whether that would have prevented events like the Rape of Nanking or the Holocaust in a modern global-war scenario) but to that point, Japan created puppet governments in areas held on the Asian mainland, like "Manchukuo"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo ...which were actually very effective at holding the conquered populations in check and harnessing their resources for the imperial military machine. They even featured the story of it in that movie "The Last Emperor". :p It was the weakening of the Kuomingdang on the mainland during the war that allowed later for the Communists to rise so quickly and successfully, forcing the existing WW2 Chinese government to Formosa (Taiwan.) On-topic, I do wonder if the whole point of "releasing" this information into the media (on the part of Panetta and other US officials) is just a means to bring greater awareness of the issue to each parties, with the intent that it might pre-empt any actual attack (if there even was one actually intended.) While obviously Iran has had many many years to anticipate a reaction to such a strike (and actually has had their facilities destroyed already previously by Israeli air attacks without reprisal in the last few years) it seems counter-intuitive that Israel would want to go ahead with such a strike if their plans were already telegraphed months in advance strategically. This gives a lot of notice for Iran to move facilities and personnel or further reinforce existing ones. Which is maybe the reaction for which the US/Israeli intelligence is hoping.
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Aww you left my ninja-edit in, oh well...I can't be sneaky like Jaerik. :p
I was typing too quickly and mentally lumped the Syria reactor air strikes in with the black ops attacks (assassinations/espionage) on Iranian targets, and tried to ninja-edit a distinction between the two. Oh well.../ninja fail :p But yes, Israel has been "putting this option on the table" since 2006 if not before... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Iranian_nuclear_program ...so I just wonder how much of it is ***-for-tat "what could happen" threats (with implications to all sides) to counter Iran's threats to militarily block the Strait of Hormuz.
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Siren.Mosin said: » me too that's awesome your grandfather wrote stuff down. that would be a really cool thing to have. Mine internallized and never said anything to anyone. My dad is super jealous of me because one time, he decided to lay it all on me for no particular reason shortly before he died when we took a road trip for a funeral. it was waaaaaaayyyy more than my slacker 16-17 yr old brain could handle. I wish I could at least have that conversation recorded or something. Yeah...I'm really glad that a good portion of my family was really open about WWII. I think the most interesting things are the hand-written correspondences between my great-grandmother and her husband in Germany, and everything I heard from my great-aunts about their exodus to West Germany.
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The rhetoric keeps coming: Exclusive: Israel Warns US Jews: Iran Could Strike Here
Quote: Local and regional law enforcement and intelligence officials in U.S. and Canadian cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and Toronto have been monitoring the situation closely for several weeks, and have stepped up patrols at Israeli government locations and Jewish cultural and religious institutions. They have issued awareness bulletins reminding officers to stay vigilant. Federal officials in those cities told ABC News that they have also increased their efforts to watch for any threat stream pointing to an imminent attack on either Israeli facilities, Jewish cultural or religious institutions or other "soft targets." Valefor.Lieniite said: » Lennah said: » Um...wrong. And this whole issue started in 2000 when Ali Khamenei told the world that Israel is a "cancerous tumor" ... [that] "must be uprooted from the region." Considering that the Supreme Ruler of Iran holds more power than Ahmadinejad, this alone is a threat for war. Ahmadinejad didn't exactly say Israel should be wiped of the map. His exact quote was that it should "vanish from the arena of time." Which is actually an INCORRECT quote from, once again, Ali Khamenei. The wrote should have read something like "book of time," I don't remember exactly. But either way, despite "wiped of the map" being a media exaggeration, I see three direct threats, from the two most powerful ruling forces in Iran aimed at Israel. And considering the recent, increasing tension in the area, the promised attack seems closer now than ever. Oh...and good morning everyone :) "General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under." Oh no, you're 100% right. I was only replying to the specific statements made by Iran. Your post above is exactly why I am not happy about the US relationship with Israel. At the end of the day, neither side has a clean record, and we're left with a dangerous situation that only needs one more foolish comment light the fuse. "never again" isn't just a slogan in Israel. they mean it and live it and if they are backed into a corner they will turn the whole middle east into a glass floored self lighted parking lot.
Lennah said: » Valefor.Lieniite said: » Lennah said: » Um...wrong. And this whole issue started in 2000 when Ali Khamenei told the world that Israel is a "cancerous tumor" ... [that] "must be uprooted from the region." Considering that the Supreme Ruler of Iran holds more power than Ahmadinejad, this alone is a threat for war. Ahmadinejad didn't exactly say Israel should be wiped of the map. His exact quote was that it should "vanish from the arena of time." Which is actually an INCORRECT quote from, once again, Ali Khamenei. The wrote should have read something like "book of time," I don't remember exactly. But either way, despite "wiped of the map" being a media exaggeration, I see three direct threats, from the two most powerful ruling forces in Iran aimed at Israel. And considering the recent, increasing tension in the area, the promised attack seems closer now than ever. Oh...and good morning everyone :) Lieniite would have been slightly better off or more justified using a quote from someone who didnt die in 1981. That was quite a few Israeli administrations ago. So when was the quote from anyway? |
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