Israel Could Strike Iran In Spring

Very true. Personally I believe there to be a connection between Israel and all of Iran's assassinated scientists. But the problem is that threatening to start a militaristic assault on two countries without proof of their involvement is a really imprudent and irresponsible decision. Of course, the US would never do anything that stupid, much less actually act on it. I mean we clearly proved Iraq had WOMDs before engaging in a full-blown war on Iraqi soil (and of course, by WOMDs, I mean oil).

But anyway, we're screwed by virtue of our political association with Israel -- a relationship that although necessary, I believe to be too cozy. Let us not forget Obama's 'less than perfect' speech regarding Palestine's statehood.

Russia is walking the political high wire over Iran. If Iran obtains nuclear capability most analysts believe it will spark a sunni/ shi'ite arms race separate of the Israeli issue. With recent regime changes in many arab nations this "impending" arms race isn't such a big threat. However Iran and Turkey are historical enemies of Russia and even while there has been an uneasy truce between them since the Brezhnev days, there is still a great deal of national, cultural and racial animosity between these countries. Russia's population is aging, its military power is a ghost of what it once was, it cannot afford conflict with either Iran or Turkey with out severe territory loss.

Too cozy is putting our Israeli alliance lightly.

I am not going to get into my personal beliefs about the alliance of the US and Israel cause it might offend people but the fact of the matter is the US needed a big stronghold in the Middle East and found it in Israel. Of course were going to back them no matter what.

I agree, and it's kinda sad. Personally... yeah I know what you mean.

It was then and is now a strong political/ military decision. When in the wilderness, it is better if the bear is chasing your trail mate rather then chasing you.

if a bear is chasing you or your trail mate, then you obviously pissed off the bear in the first place

You know what I will give my thoughts a bit on this...

My whole problems with this situation is the fact that Israel is so aggressive in their campaign against everyone. Granted, Iran cannot build nuclear weapons, it would result in catostrophic results that will effect every corner of the world BUT Israel has been the agreesor in this from the beginning.

• Ahmadinejad is a complete psycho and should have never said he would "wipe Israel off the map." This caused heavy frantic amongst the Israelis, and caused them to get on the defensive, which is expected.

• Israel has their own nuclear weapons pointed at Iran for quite some time, somehow instigating this entire process with Iran.

• Israel, while only being a Jewish Nation since 1947, has prematurely jumped to the conculsion that everyone is out to get them. While this might be true to some nations, I have never heard of a country (besides the US) that will jump the gun and attack another country because they might be building weapons.

I understand this post makes me sound very Anti-Israel and Pro-Iran, but this is far from the case. You are going into a scenario in which people's faith is getting pushed into the equation. Sadly people are going to die because of the simple rivalries going through the countries and it seems to me that Israel is going to be the one who pushes the envelope to war long before Iran does.

I apologize. My thoughts were scattered, I worked a 14 hour day today haha.

^ This to infinity

If the bear doesn't want to share the wilderness that is fine. Whoever wants it the most will take, let the pussies cry over the injustice of it all after the fact.

I couldn t agree more.

except he never did. that's a mistranslation. he said the israel was an illegitimate country and should be cease to exsist. not that he wanted to be the next hitler. huge difference.


wipe israel of the map myth.


yes that's a wiki page, but it's been disputed a million times by a bunch of publications. however, it makes a GREAT sound bite for hyping war with iran. the fact is that many people around the world think israel is an illegal occupation.

the biggest threat to israel is israel. they need to make people think that they are being attacked so they have support from around the world and an excuse to build up a huge military.

-Ahmadinejad exists because we overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and installed a puppet in his place
--Iran also suffered hugely by our installation of Saddam Hussein in Iraq whose only purpose was to fight the Iranians after they overthrew the Shah. This resulted in millions of dead.

-Israel has nuclear weapons because we allowed it/gave them nuclear weapons. Israel has what it has because we allowed it/gave it to them.

-Israel has committed genocide on the order of Nazi Germany since the installation of its government in post-WWII Palestine. The land, owned by Palestinians, was seized. In order to take it, families were murdered or driven out. This occurred in every village west of the Jordan.
--It continues to this day. To argue against a people who have had everything taken from them but the air that they breath, regardless of the actions they deem necessary to fight those who would oppress them, is un-American at best.

This bugs me.. It's the mindset that bugs me.. I'm not anti-American, but I grow really weary of this line of thinking that the world does what we tell them to or that we really have the right to say what a country can or cannot do.. Again, I'm not anti-American, but a lot of conflict is created simply by this state of mind, not only from outside sources, but from inside sources as well.. America in general really does have this air about it that it's the greatest country in the world and we're superior to everyone else..

It's not as if we don't have one damned strong military or something, we don't actually need to be on the offensive, we can pretty much strike any place in the world within hours if need be.. Yet we still have to involve ourselves in affairs that really have little bearing on us. It's also not as if someone really wanted to hurt us, that they couldn't.. You couldn't have stopped 9-11 for instance, if they wanted it to happen bad enough, there would easily be a repeat.. As much as people want to live in their own little protective bubble and think the government and police keep them safe, it's just not possible, much less feasible. This war hasn't really done anything but cost thousands of soldiers their lives and bring on the pain of losing a loved one to many families and friends.

If you need more evidence we can't really stop anything, look at Iran now.. Not only did they take down a drone, purposefully and methodically, but they're very likely still over there working on making nuclear weapons. We're not stopping it. All we're doing at this point is poking our nose in and leading to a larger backlash and complications. Meanwhile real terrorists that pose a real threat are just on the other side of borders, abducting people and cutting off their heads by the busloads. The Cartles have probably killed more US citizens than Middle-eastern based terrorists have, yet you don't see an army check point every mile in the border towns..

There's no oil in Mexico.

Seriously, this all started in 1953 because of Oil, and perpetuates to this day because of Oil.

first off it's Nato in general that is poking it's business into things, we usually have to head the forces though.

secondly the bolded, that instance could have been prevented, they didn't act on it, not to mention the questionable possible conspiracies around i that might have merit (not usually one for conspiracies but I'm keeping this one as suspicious, probably forever since it's been so long).

As for the cartels, the best way to handle them is to legalize drugs.

As for countries obtaining nuclear capability, enrichment isn't an easy process that you can do in your garage, and you need very high levels to make weapons grade. I'd have to research it more but it should be fairly easy to determine via satellite which facilities have capabilities of this magnitude and any nuclear signature.

Now they could acquire the material from other places, ie: Russia. But then they'd have either sneak it here or make an icbm, and the latter is why we have missile defenses in place, no?

also this. which is why we should enhance our battery tech and build a few nuclear plants.

Or if we manage to store enough energy just harness lightning...

Let them kill each other already who cares.

Saying you could have stopped 9-11 is like saying you can stop them from blowing up things now, which we can't. 9-11 may have gone differently, but once they set their mind to causing pure devastation on our own soil, it's pretty much going to happen regardless, the only question is when, where and how.

I was speaking of that particular plot, it could have been stopped, they chose to ignore it.

not to mention if airport security was doing their jobs at the time it would have been prevented...

but yes no matter the level of security an attack could happen, which is the fundamental flaw in fascism, so then the decision comes down to do you try to lock down and fail or be free and fail, people *** when you fail either way.

Keep it calm, and watch your posts.

who's not being calm?

sooo..... you plan is to what then... sit back and watch it all happen and do nothing because you see it as impossible to prevent?

I doubt China will ever go to war with the U.S. unless there is just something out there so ridiculous that each side can't ignore it. Sure China backs Iran verbally but I really doubt they'd really be willing to risk all the money they make in trade with the U.S. Besides that, many of our gadgets are manufactured in China... What will happen to all the apple!!!!

This will never happen. TSA employs too many people for there not to be a portion who are lazy and or just dont care. Will always be holes.

I'm talking about the people before the TSA, the TSA was never needed to be formed as far as I'm concerned.

edit: that's why there's such a thing as supervision, the persons who allowed it to happen should have been on trial, and the airports been sued for damages since it was their lack of attention that allowed it to happen.

yes I do realize the amount of damage done,

The US and China have too much vested in the success of the other to go to war.

The only way this happens IMO is if one of the two nations seriously begins to fall as a world power and attempts to use military action against the other to reestablish its place on the world stage.

think that's why NK settled the *** down, China told them to chill out.

as for the other discussion: too late, we can't go change it now but we could learn from it as well as remember the past and realize how fascism is flawed.

I think many of you fail to look at the big picture. I'm really surprised to see all the isolationists on the boards here. try as much as you'd like but you can't close your eyes hard enough so that when you open them world conflict will be gone. Our global presence is there for a reason. Also, it's not just us out there mucking about globally.