Best Weapon For Ruinator?

I don't have access to any of the elite relic/mythic/empyrean axes, so would the best mainhand axe for this be the STR line magian trials?

All help is greatly appreciated.

Farsha is nice for the STR on the weapon (and Mnd for CS mod). If you're not grinding for guttler or for Aymur Farsha is a decent option for casual-semi hard core. The 1st stage can be solo'd by Bst, and Bhukis isn't nearly as douchey vs 99 foes as it was back at 85. It can be nice also if you have it to brew with. Primal Rend is ok in a brew, but cloudsplitter is definitely a step up in that department. When going to make a 2nd empy it is nice to be able to burn through 5-6 empy NM's per brew.

Just be aware that Farsha isn't gonna pump out anything decent on cloudsplitter outside abyssea, or inside when not brewing. If you are serious about bst tho, and don't intend to grind for relic/mythic anytime soon though Farsha is decent for Bst.

I'm confused. Farsha(85) is the only thing I could do in any kind of decent time frame and it has less base damage and less str and less attack than the Str Magian axe. Why would I want Farsha over this axe for Ruinator?

I'd say fire magian axe is your best bet. Just keep chippin' away at it, cause the thing is way worth it. I own one for my bst and have loved it ever since I got it back at 85. :>

Be sure to exploit abyssea as often as you can for quick kills, as fire weather doesn't exist like with Earth trials.

If you are using Bst/dnc you can make an offhand DA or 2-4 axe to help increase tp gain to keep aftermath up. CS to put aftermath up, and Ruinator till you reapply AM.

Alfard is not too hard either. You can kill 5-6 in one brew. People who need cards of ardor will be happy to mule Alfard sets. Quite easy to farm up the 3 items on Bst to pop the NQ hydra. Might take a bit to get all the fangs for 90, but certainly not something you can't get done over time. Farm up a few sets of pops. Shout for people who need Ardor cards (drops em x3 with yellow) then go burn up 5-6 in one brew.

Are you guys referring to the pet fire path or the player fire path? I want one Q_Q Prolly pet one since it still has 10 STR or something

I wouldn't even bother with Farsha even at level 90 it's still not as good as the 99 STR/Attack axe. Unless you plan on getting it to 95 it's not going to be worth it, and even then it's nothing special.

The axes to debate are STR/attack, double attack, or OA2-4. I will be going over those numbers myself in the somewhat near future. I will have two STR/attack, and haven't decided if I will take the DA or OA2-4 path yet, still have lots of mobs to kill before then.

The fire axe for players, pet attack won't effect ruinator...

The lv99 Version becomes Dmg:74 Dly:276 Str+11 atk+22 Its very very nice. Its not guttler, but its very awesome :Q

Is 25 self attack really more beneficial than 25 pet attack? Yeah you'll get more epeen numbers out of Ruinator, but I'm curious how the Self:STR, Pet:Attack axe fares versus the Self:STR, Self:Attack axe.

Edit: Yeah I guess since this thread is titled "Best Weapon for Ruinator?" the pet attack is irrelevant, just thought the pet attack might be a more applicable path.

I believe for stuff like VW where pets can die easy, doing the self att+ path might be good, hence the purpose of this thread I reckon.

If I were gonna make either one of those axes I'd go for the pet attack one. At least it would have use in a hybrid, and pet onry set.


VW is pretty "Bst unfriendly" Sounds like a lot of busywork for the upgrade if you already have a main hand axe. If your pet is dead all you're really gonna be running in for is to proc. I spose if all you are using is pdt axes, and that's the extent of your axes on Bst this would be worth the effort.

Yeah as of right now I have two lvl 90 Pet PDT axes. I'm trying to decide if I should take the mainhand one to 99, take both to 99, start a fire trial, start a OA2-4 trial. So many options. Mostly this is just to help farm Dynamis faster as that's all I use my Bst for right now.

i'll be using Farsha/Str axe.. or offhand pet attack+ axe idk yet

do the STR path axe with STR/Attack for best results.

I use my Guttler, the +35 attack is nice for Ruinator. People saying to use Farsha/guttler/amyur, I think are missing the point of your post.

If you are a selfish BST(which I am) and concerned only with your damage and not the pet, then I would do the STR trial axe and the DA +11 axe. You can stack a lot of DA on BST already, adding 11 to your axe will be much better than using a gimp OAT 2-4 times axe. The DA will also proc during your WS, pumping the damage up just that much higher.

Thank you Cali. I think That's a good idea to go with. Yeah I think a lot of people misread my post. I'm not looking to invest that much time in Bst.

The DA axe is annoying, but I love mine. Depending on your server/friends, getting silver mirrors or riftsand may be an issue, need 200 of each. My LS mates gave them to me when we did events, I would average about 70 everytime we had an event. There is a lot of "kill XXX of mob family XXX" but if you pick the right areas, you can make a ton of gil right now on elemental geodes and the things like Garudite. I have a build for that WS, I will upload it to ah soon, if you want to see what I use.

Most people seem to recommend the str axe or DA axe.

It seems most people use one of each, but why? why not have 2 str axes for the extra stat boost, or 2 DA axes for better TP gain?

You can do 2 STR axes for sure. Unfortunately the 11 DA axes is rare/ex/aug and thus you can only have 1 fully upgraded. This is not to say you cant have 1 finished and 1 almost finished for 21 DA on your weapons (which would be pretty sick).

Doing 2 STR path axes is by far the easiest. I dont recall the base DMG of the STR trial axe at 99, but the I know the 11 DA axe beats is, since it is only 7 DMG less than my 95 Guttler.

Doing 1 of each provides a nice balance between damage and TP gain. I believe the 2 STR axes will probably beat out the 1 STR and 11 DA combo on average WSs, but the DA combo will have higher spikes but slightly lower averages. But you will get TP faster when you have close to 20-30 DA in your TP set up.

actualy you can do x2 of the DA axe since the lvl 99 ver gets a new name, you can completet that one then do the second one to lvl 95

i regret making my attack2-4 axe before making a DA axe since now i can never have a DA axe AND 2-4hit axe unless i toss my 2-4hit axe and then do DA axe to 99 then then redo my 2-4hit axe to 95 *sigh*

i would say the DA axe or the STR axe are pretty solid choices for main hand, and a multi hit weapon for sub weapon

Pretty sure I said that, lol


And I agree, 1 DA axe and the STR axe would be my non relic choices

my bad i must have missread lol

So no one has decided whats better? Occ 2-4 or DA+11? The only problem i find is it takes about 2 ws's too kill DC mobs which is pretty shitty so I find getting tp faster = better.

But the DA+11 also procs on the WS which makes it even more useful which is pretty hard to just assume which one would be better. With the DA+11 axe it would put me at +26 DA in tp gear alone, vs the 15 with occ 2-4 swings.

Any input? And i'm doing STR main hand for this as well.

As far as i know DA procs before 2-4 and if you have a DA and a x4 (or any proc from your 2-4weapon) at the same time, only the DA will be computed.

I think i read this in THF forum on zam.com a while ago, where some good math people contribute.

What this means is, if you use an OA2-4 weapon, you basically have to exchange all your DA gear to make it worthwhile (Atheling mantle --> Vimukti, Brutal --> Aesir ear pendant etc.).

Please, someone tell me i´m wrong.

Also, people say the DA+11 will give more dot.

From personal expirience (i don´t parse, just watch), sure the 2-4 is nice off-hand. I always have plenty TP for /dnc, can do WSs often, and, last but not least, Axes are rather slow, and multi-hit is just plain fun.

Gundulagause, you are right. DA will proc before the OAT weapon would. So if you go down that path, you will need to remove all DA/TA gear. Now the DA axe works with both if you dual wield and on WS, which is huge, in the grand scheme of things.

Most of DC mobs die from 1 WS + melee swings from pet/me trying to proc it. Rarely does it come out of terrorize from red proc. I use a Guttler (95) and a 11 DA axe. Ruinator tears them up. I would not use the OAT 2-4 axe, if you are worried about the mob, you are feeding it tons of TP for minimal gain. There are few attack rounds where I do not DA or TA on my BST/DNC.

Yeah. I´m using a Guttler (95) and OA2-4 (99). I don´t think i can bring myself to do that many (magian trial) mobs again for the DA weapon anytime soon, but it almost looks like i have no choice. I guess my Guttler deserves it (what a wonderfull weapon!).

Hmm was reading this and I'm lvling my bst for the occasional solo-dynamis run. I've access to a kraken club, so should I just offhand the kclub and main hand like a str magian axe? or would it be beneficial to make a str axe and offhand a DA axe?

i'm working on a da axe right now, but if i don't need to, then i should stop spending my time on it. I'd only ever use bst in dynamis~

if i should just use the kclub, then i might just buy a tjukurrpa axe or something and skip trials all together~ i hate trials ._.; especially firesday junk.

Honestly, for dynamis anything will work. Mobs in there are killed very fast with a pet and you hitting it, no matter which axe you use.