Monster Gloves +2

Does anybody have information about these?


The BG Link lists the following:
*Augments Call Beast by forcing summoned pets to spawn at the level of the Beastmaster.
*Upgraded from Monster Gloves via Magian Trial 4738 or Monster Gloves +1 via Magian Trial 4739
*Can be further augmented with Adds "Enhances 'Beast Affinity' effect" via Magian Trial 4996
*Enhances Beast Affinity adds another Pet level per merit level, to a maximum of 15.

My questions: Can any pet be called at your level? If the Call Beast Augment already caps your pet to your own level, then the Beast Affinity enhancement is worthless at level 99. One would assume that since the Beast Affinity enhancement is obtained upon completion of the FINAL Magian Trial for this piece, that the 15 level boost to pets might allow a pet to cap at level 114..? o.O?

Nazuna can't get to 99 without these, if I'm not mistaken.

To answer your question though, certain pets have a cap. If you aren't at the cap on your pet, the pet is ALWAYS called 0-2 levels below you. The gloves reduce that to 0-1, and to 0 I think.

Honestly this subject confuses me. Could you break down exactly how the levels work with jug pets? When you call the pet, with no enhancements, is the pet the level of the jug?

BTW I'm fairly new to BST. So I'm still learning everything.

Good point. Wiki also shows Yuly with two different caps of 95 and 99. But since that site is basically a compilation of user submitted information I'm skeptical and lead to believe that Yuly might actually cap at 95. I'm only basing this on my experiences using her since the 99 cap update.

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http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Category:Familiars

Pets are 0-2 levels below you until the pet reaches its personal level cap. For instance, Courrier Carrie can be called at Lv23, but it will always scale to 0-2 below you UNTIL Lv75. At Level 80, if you call Carrie, she will be 75 still. Beast Affinity raises her cap by however much you've meritted it. At merit cap, Courrier Carrie can be Lv85... but we're 99. A lv85 pet is relatively weak for us. With Monster Gloves +2, she'd be Lv90... and though still not usable, it does affect other pets that aren't as low as Carrie, like Nazuna. Nazuna caps at 86. With merits, that 96. With gloves, her cap WOULD be 101, but since 99 is the final cap... her max level is 99.

Kinda help?

Sorry but that's not how that works. You see some pets have a maximum level that they can be called to I'll use two examples here. Pet A has a max lvl of 99 and pet B has a max lvl of 83. With no merits or glove you can call Pet A and it with be anywhere from lvl 97 to lvl 99 if you are 99 (Same to 2 levels bellow the master). However if you call pet B with no gloves or merits it will be capped at 83 no matter what. Now this is where merits and gloves come into play if you have max beast affinity merits it will raise the cap of all pets that are bellow your current level to your level but never over. It only closes the gap so that lvl 83 pet is now capped at lvl 98. If you call it it will spawn at either lvl 98 or 97 but never 99 since you don't have enough beast affinity. However if you summon pet A it will still be 99-97. Beast affinity will have no effect on it since it's already capped at your level and pets can never go higher than you. Now the gloves come into play if you wear the gloves +1 or regular while summoning your pet it will shave one of the random levels off your possible level difference. So now pet A can be summoned at lvl 99-98 and pet B at lvl 98 always. Finally if you use the Gloves +2 then it will shave a final level off the variable and make all pets that cap at 99 lvl 99 when you summon them but pets that cap before that will not be 99 they will be their max lvl such as pet B will be 98 that is unless you have the beast affinty aug on the gloves then he pet B will be raised one more final lvl to cap at 99 and will always be summoned at 99.

So Tl;dr? Pets can never be a higher level than the bst unless one charms a Tough mob.

Edit: So many people beat me while I was typing. :x

This is also how I know it to be. So please, tell me, what is the point of the Beast Affinity enhancement augment gained by the "FINAL" Magian Trial?

Nazuna is one instance that the gloves help on, as I highlighted. Without them, Nazuna will always be Lv96 with capped Beast Affinity Merits.

For pets that cap out before 99 that you still wish to use.

Thank you guys sooo much.

Also u can use ur merits for something esle if u prefer higher lvl jugs.

the pet lvl cap is 99 (if you are lvl 99) but these gloves help to get pets which a capped lower to get lvl 99 for example a pet lvl cap is 80 but with these gloves + merits it will still spawn as a lvl ~84-85 mob

Since it augments the merits, I don't know that I'd suggest that. It adds +1 level per merit. If you have zero merits, it doesn't help at all. Beast Affinity is a staple merit for BST in a Call Beast climate.

BG is stating that the Call Beast augment "forces" the pet to cap at your level. Which would allow us to use older pets such as Courier Carrie.

You're jumping around. Are you asking about Call Beast or the Beast Affinity augment? They each do something different.

Augments Call Beast removes the 0-2 variance, but it won't increase a pet beyond its maximum level like Beast Affinity does.

No I'm afraid you have misunderstood the Call beast augment only cuts one (two for the +2) of the random levels off of the 0-2 lvl difference that is naturally there for jugs your lvl. See my above explanation.

If the Call Beast augment "forces" a pet to cap at 99, no matter its original cap, then Beast Affinity is useless. You can't add 15 levels to a pet capped at 99 if it can't exceed 99. You follow me?

This would make sense to me. But the usage of the word "force" is throwing everything off.

If you wear those gloves and call Courrier Carrie, without Beast Affinity Merits, Carrie will spawn at 75. Period. The gloves do not force her to 99.

Call Beast has a natural level disparity between pet and master. A pet will spawn 0-2 levels below you. Monster Gloves make it 0-1, Monster Gloves +2 force a pet to spawn 0 levels under the master, if that pet can be that level.

Yea whoever explained to you first should have specified that it was within limits. Glad we could clear that up. :)

If you call a pet that can cap at 99, with gloves, it will cap at 99 though; right?

I mean if you only were to use 99 cap pets, then beast affinity is useless?

I understand there are different pets for different situations, but I'm just trying to understand how the merit works.

You've got it right, if you use level 99 cap pets only, then Beast Affinity has no use for you. ^^

Edit: Yeah, it's understandable how the choice of wording could throw a person off - the source material is linked on the BG wiki page if you need more info on the testing process, or try thinking of the progression in this fashion:

No Monster Gloves - Jug pets spawn 0~2 levels below you, up to the pet's natural level cap.
Monster Gloves/Monster Gloves+1 - Jug pets spawn 0~1 level below you, up to the pet's natural level cap.
Monster Gloves+2 - Jug pets spawn 0 levels below (aka will be Even Match), unless your level is higher than the pet's natural cap.

A couple of the posters in this thread explained it very well. :)

Thanks boss. ^^

I think the confusion is with "Augments Callbeast" on the normal +2 and "Enhances Beast affinity" after you complete the magian trial. Augments callbeast is explained above. It essentially allows you to call a pet the same lvl as yourself assuming the jug doesn't cap under your level. Enhances Beast affinity allows you to spawn a pet that previously was capped at a lower level like Nursery Nazuna.

Nusery Nazuna cap = lvl 86
Normal merits 5/5 (2 lvls per merit) = lvl 96
Augmented Monster gloves +2 (1 level per merit) = lvl 101

Obviously it can only spawn at lvl 99. If the cap was removed your sheep would spawn at lvl 101.

Jug pets that can take advantage of this are:

Chopsuey Chucky (lvl 85 cap)
Amigo Sabotender (lvl 85 cap)
Nursery Nazuna (lvl 86 cap)

The beast affinity augment is pretty much only good for sheep which isnt bad, theyre still good cheap pets.

Sometimes they need to be pushed through the fence.

This is a good explanation! :D

One thing that caught my eye however is that you mention Chopsuey Chucky and Amigo Sabotender (and the wiki's Jug Pet page has listed them as 85 cap for a long time now, but there's no link to any supporting data).

I level sync'd to my other account's 76 BST in Abyssea and checked the max HP for ChopsueyChucky and AmigoSabotender (they both have the same HP modifier and the same MaxHP value: 3182). I have no Beast Affinity merits, so I re-entered Abyssea Mis Coast a short time later to repeat the test, uncapped, and found that Healing Salve I restored 1591 on both pets again (aka, 3182 MaxHP).

We've done a similar test for CourierCarrie in the past, and it's safe to say that none of the old generation pets surpass level 75 without Beast Affinity-related assistance.

That's good to know actually. Those pets have been around forever so assumed the values were correct off the wiki.