A friend of mine mentioned something called "Absolute Attack Speed" and how haste somehow adds into a value or something for it.
I have never heard this Terminology or know what he is talking about.
However this is pretty close to what was said:
I mentioned that on my DRK I have 15% Spell Haste, 25% Job Haste, and then 25% gear haste giving me a total of 65% Haste.
He then replied that he possesses 15% Spell, 25% Gear, and then +40 because of the way that dual wield is calculated.
Is he correct? Am I missing something..
Haste And "Absolute Attack Speed"
Haste and "Absolute Attack Speed"
The hard cap of total attack speed increase is 80%.
That's definitely not what he was referring to, he was insisting that he himself possessed 80% haste or the attack speed equivalent to it, due to the nature of Dual Wield.
In that situation, no, he's not correct. Dual Wield and Haste are calculated separately, not added together then dividing your attack speed.
Your friend is completely lost
If you had 80% haste I'd assume you'd be attacking like an Assassin Cross from Ragnarok Online.
Twitching with the Epilepsy as the monster explodes.
Twitching with the Epilepsy as the monster explodes.
He deffinetly does not have caped delay on his own... I beleave dual weild is appyed first and then the haste is applyed to that number but not 100%
If my limited knowledge of haste and DW serves...
If you have two characters, both dual wielding Kannagi and Kamome (as an example):
total delay would be 210+180=390
For a player with 80% haste (pretending for a second that character had 0 dual wield reduction) effective weapon delay would be 78 with no tp loss
For a player with +40 dual wield and 40% haste, weapon delay first becomes ~234 due to dual wield (including tp loss) then haste is calculated for a total effective delay of 140.
So no they're not the same if I am doing this right.
If you have two characters, both dual wielding Kannagi and Kamome (as an example):
total delay would be 210+180=390
For a player with 80% haste (pretending for a second that character had 0 dual wield reduction) effective weapon delay would be 78 with no tp loss
For a player with +40 dual wield and 40% haste, weapon delay first becomes ~234 due to dual wield (including tp loss) then haste is calculated for a total effective delay of 140.
So no they're not the same if I am doing this right.
Cerberus.Lasareth said:
If my limited knowledge of haste and DW serves...
If you have two characters, both dual wielding Kannagi and Kamome (as an example):
total delay would be 210+180=390
For a player with 80% haste (pretending for a second that character had 0 dual wield reduction) effective weapon delay would be 78 with no tp loss
For a player with +40 dual wield and 40% haste, weapon delay first becomes ~234 due to dual wield (including tp loss) then haste is calculated for a total effective delay of 140.
So no they're not the same if I am doing this right.
If you have two characters, both dual wielding Kannagi and Kamome (as an example):
total delay would be 210+180=390
For a player with 80% haste (pretending for a second that character had 0 dual wield reduction) effective weapon delay would be 78 with no tp loss
For a player with +40 dual wield and 40% haste, weapon delay first becomes ~234 due to dual wield (including tp loss) then haste is calculated for a total effective delay of 140.
So no they're not the same if I am doing this right.
also
As a ninja, let me just say it's not possible to reach 80% delay reduction without a bard. The equation for total delay reduction is the following:
Delay Reduction = 1 - (1-H)*(1-DW)
or
New delay = Old Delay * (1-H)*(1-DW)
H = Haste (All forms of it)
DW = Dual Wield
Ninja can reach 40% haste (25% gear, 15% haste spell) and 50% DW (35% trait, 5% suppa, 5% AF body and 5% Emp +2 head). If you wear iga earring you're a dumbass. This equates to a 70% total delay reduction.
*Same answer as Lasareth, just the actual equation.
Delay Reduction = 1 - (1-H)*(1-DW)
or
New delay = Old Delay * (1-H)*(1-DW)
H = Haste (All forms of it)
DW = Dual Wield
Ninja can reach 40% haste (25% gear, 15% haste spell) and 50% DW (35% trait, 5% suppa, 5% AF body and 5% Emp +2 head). If you wear iga earring you're a dumbass. This equates to a 70% total delay reduction.
*Same answer as Lasareth, just the actual equation.
Fenrir.Enternius said:
The hard cap of total attack speed increase is 80%.
I believe this statement is incorrect, although 80% is a key value. The cap is 80% on total delay reduction - so if you have capped delay reduction you will be attacking five times faster than absolutely no haste. (If you start off at 100 attack speed, 80% reduction brings you to 20 attack speed. So you do five attacks for every 100 period.) For all intensive purposes, the more haste and/or dual wield you stack the bigger percentage increase it has.
Example:
Ninja with AF body has .7 delay reduction. Ninja without AF body (a loss of 5% DW) has .67 delay reduction. This is an increase of delay from .3 of your original value to .33 - an increase of 9-10% for something that only gives 5% DW.
Shiva.Msthief said:
Fenrir.Enternius said:
The hard cap of total attack speed increase is 80%.
I believe this statement is incorrect, although 80% is a key value. The cap is 80% on total delay reduction - so if you have capped delay reduction you will be attacking five times faster than absolutely no haste. (If you start off at 100 attack speed, 80% reduction brings you to 20 attack speed. So you do five attacks for every 100 period.) For all intensive purposes, the more haste and/or dual wield you stack the bigger percentage increase it has.
Example:
Ninja with AF body has .7 delay reduction. Ninja without AF body (a loss of 5% DW) has .67 delay reduction. This is an increase of delay from .3 of your original value to .33 - an increase of 9-10% for something that only gives 5% DW.
As far as I'm aware Haste is multiplicative rather than additive.
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