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By Ifrit.Tulnig 2011-02-09 07:40:36
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Hello fellow Beastmasters! I can’t seem to find anything about Atmas that specifily pertain to Beastmasters, so I’d like to start one here.

The ATMAs I seem to favor are Atma of the Razed Ruins, Atma of the Voracious Violet, Atma of Cloak and Dagger, Atma of the Mounted Champion, Atma of the Impregnable Tower, and Atma of the Ducal Guard.

Are there any others you’d recommend? Do you disagree with any of the above that I use? Each ATMA is situational, but have you found yourself using any that I have not listed that you found useful?
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By Leviathan.Washiewash 2011-02-09 07:44:12
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i like atma of ducal guard + atma of zenith + atma of tremors, hat's a pretty bad *** combination
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By Bahamut.Zoltar 2011-02-09 09:03:35
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Just killing: VV + RR + GH
Solo'n NMs: DG + GH + RR

Since I always carry a ton of Zeta I rarely use regen atmas

These combos used mostly with DipperYuly
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-02-09 10:18:11
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Currently for solo I use a mixture of: MC + RR + Apoc (Eva not needed), MC + RR + C&D (Eva needed).
DD (meleeing) RR + Apoc + MC, mainly just to cut down on costs/support requirement, pure DD would be VV + RR + Apoc or RR + Apoc + Alpha and Omega.
DD (Primal rend spam, see situations like Bukhis) Beyond + Sea Daughter + Ultimate
DD (Primal full damage, brew only) Beyond + Ultimate + Baying moon.
Beyond and Holy Mountain do not stack, Beyond takes priority (tested myself).

I don't have Ducal Guard currently, so.
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By Bahamut.Zoltar 2011-02-09 10:23:10
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Ducal Guard isn't a necessity for bst tanking, assuming you know how to use reward and have good evasion. DG works best for me on SMN with Titan tanking tbh. It's easy to get if you have fame 3, just bring a healer to be safe since Teekesselchen can sometimes be a pain to solo.
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-02-09 10:45:04
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Spammed Teek before for my BLM hands so I know him well, it's just getting fame when I don't have much free time D:
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By Bahamut.Zoltar 2011-02-09 11:21:08
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Saku, I turned in about 20 wyvern wings and did around 10-15 egg quests (the ??? that gives most cruor gives most fame)

Shitty part is you gotta zone after turning in wings
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By Bahamut.Sakurawr 2011-02-09 11:30:51
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Hm, alrighty, cheers D:
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By Quetzalcoatl.Vintaru 2011-02-09 11:35:29
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Gnarled Horn + Cloak and Dagger + Sand Emperor

Can solo some pretty difficult NM's with these.
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2011-02-09 11:47:14
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Bahamut.Zoltar said:
Ducal Guard isn't a necessity for bst tanking, assuming you know how to use reward and have good evasion. DG works best for me on SMN with Titan tanking tbh. It's easy to get if you have fame 3, just bring a healer to be safe since Teekesselchen can sometimes be a pain to solo.

What's the easiest quest to get fame 3, do you know?
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By Ifrit.Kishar 2011-02-09 11:56:58
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Getting lucky is probably the easiest one, takes ~30 runs. Just make sure to bring enough of each food - I got asked for something like 14 pies, 7 chocolate, and only 2 bread (I did some other quests too to get fame up).

The Egg enthusiast also isn't too bad if you have some movement+.
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By Ifrit.Tulnig 2011-02-09 12:19:21
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Ifrit.Kishar said:
Getting lucky is probably the easiest one, takes ~30 runs. Just make sure to bring enough of each food - I got asked for something like 14 pies, 7 chocolate, and only 2 bread (I did some other quests too to get fame up). The Egg enthusiast also isn't too bad if you have some movement+.

It took me exactly 20 runs of doing Getting Lucky to get upto Fame Level 3 in this zone. I had not started/completed any other quests in this zone prior to doing the quest Getting Lucky.
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By Bahamut.Zoltar 2011-02-09 13:00:56
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Titan.Darkestknight said:
Bahamut.Zoltar said:
Ducal Guard isn't a necessity for bst tanking, assuming you know how to use reward and have good evasion. DG works best for me on SMN with Titan tanking tbh. It's easy to get if you have fame 3, just bring a healer to be safe since Teekesselchen can sometimes be a pain to solo.

What's the easiest quest to get fame 3, do you know?

Well the wyvern wings are easy drops, so that quest and the egg one worked for me. Turned in about 20 wings and 10-15 egg quests
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By Ifrit.Tulnig 2011-02-10 09:20:33
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Bahamut.Zoltar said:
Ducal Guard isn't a necessity for bst tanking, assuming you know how to use reward and have good evasion. DG works best for me on SMN with Titan tanking tbh. It's easy to get if you have fame 3, just bring a healer to be safe since Teekesselchen can sometimes be a pain to solo.

I would have to agree with Zoltar on this with regards to 98% of the NMs I've solo'd. Exceptions would include mobs such as Bugul Noz. However it should be noted that using the Ducal Guard atma will save you gilz from a reduction in the number of Zetas needed on easier NMs in many cases.
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By Thashhh 2011-02-11 13:50:05
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i love ducal guard
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By Miera 2011-02-18 19:13:07
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I have yet to use Ducal Gaurd but I'd love to test it, I heard it was nerfed though. Anyway when using DipperYuly I use Cloak and Dagger Vicissitude and and Mounted Champion. I was told to go on a Evasion/Regen atma

Now that I have Atma of the Sand Emperor I can use that and Cloak and Dagger and maybe a Attack atma and not worry about Regens..
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By Siren.Flunklesnarkin 2011-02-18 19:41:04
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naw ducal guard still works.. i usually go heavens / zenith / DG for 100% pdt jug when i decide to go that way.

What i really want to test is 100 MDB.. still working on my MDB axes.. freaking birds in water weather is horrible >_<

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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2011-02-18 20:33:09
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Ducal Guard wasn't nerfed it was fixed so it procs when your pet is actually at half health.

Run Ducal Guard with Tremors, Zenith or Earth Wyrm. All three are Damage taken -10%. End result with Moogle hat and 2x PDT axes is, depending on if you have Selemnus Belt and/or Shepard's Chain, you have a pet that takes no physical damage and 80-85% off magic damage.
Also MDB and MDT are different things. MDB will reduce the damage of the spell before MDT takes effect so you can't actually get magic damage taken -100% as far as I know.
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By Siren.Flunklesnarkin 2011-02-18 22:21:34
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I thought MDB just did some sort of ratio magic deal to calculate damage.

which is why when a blm is double weakened they have -100 MAB and deal 0 damage from elemental spells no mater what.

something like MAB / MDB somewhere along the line of magic damage formula

Idk i haven't done extensive testing just rumor and heresay ive heard.
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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-02-18 22:26:34
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Siren.Flunklesnarkin said:
I thought MDB just did some sort of ratio magic deal to calculate damage.

which is why when a blm is double weakened they have -100 MAB and deal 0 damage from elemental spells no mater what.

something like MAB / MDB somewhere along the line of magic damage formula

Idk i haven't done extensive testing just rumor and heresay ive heard.
they do that because Magic attack is reduced to zero, not -100. So even with ele seal, nukes will do zero however magic accuracy is unaffected. You could die 50 times then* get up and cast stun easily
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By Siren.Flunklesnarkin 2011-02-18 22:29:42
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kk.. is it true that magic damage gets a check somewhere along the line of MAB / MDB or something along those lines

if you stack enough MDB would damage become fairly minimal?

edit i checked wiki and 100 MDB would be about 50% magic damage taken

magic damage gets a modifier of MAB / MDB where

MAB starts as 1.0

and MDB starts as 1.0

any gear adds a decimal to that number

like moldavite earring with 5 MAB would add .05 to the MAB number

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By Bismarck.Josiahfk 2011-02-18 22:36:41
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Pandemonium.Zeto said:
Ducal Guard wasn't nerfed it was fixed so it procs when your pet is actually at half health.

Run Ducal Guard with Tremors, Zenith or Earth Wyrm. All three are Damage taken -10%. End result with Moogle hat and 2x PDT axes is, depending on if you have Selemnus Belt and/or Shepard's Chain, you have a pet that takes no physical damage and 80-85% off magic damage.
Also MDB and MDT are different things. MDB will reduce the damage of the spell before MDT takes effect so you can't actually get magic damage taken -100% as far as I know.
yeah this is right. think of it like "when I cast protect V on him he has def+60 but he has PDT gear -25%"

The protect will always proc first, and whatever actually hits the mob after is reduced with PDT. Magic defense and magic damage taken is the same

so right now if you stacked 100 INT on your pet you'd have a strong resist to all magic attacks and ailments but a strong MDT build can still reduce much more than 100 INT could

If there was a MDT axe I wouldn't recommend anything else. But SE opted to do "Magic evasion" and "Magic defense" instead bleh when a "Physical defense" axe doesnt exist

Siren.Flunklesnarkin said:
kk.. is it true that magic damage gets a check somewhere along the line of MAB / MDB or something along those lines

if you stack enough MDB would damage become fairly minimal?
For a normal pet I would stack elemental evasion on it's second strongest element but that's about it for a strong potency

Like you could make Dipper a guarenteed badass against anything earth, since she already has a strong resistance we just need to up her magic evasion to earth

But for everything else I would stick with Magic Defense though it's like casting a low tier Shell on them, dont expect the world sadly
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2011-02-19 00:22:04
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Joshiahfk basically has it right it calculates one of them does any rounding then calculates the other one. So if you have -50% Magic Damage Taken and enough Magic Defense Bonus to halve damage(Dependent on their MAB) you'd only end up taking about 25% magic damage instead of none at all.
Kind of like how the game fully calculates damage taken before applying Phalanx(how it can reduce damage to 0). Lets be honest though, Magic Damage taken -85% is nothing to scoff at. A 3000 damage attack will do 450 damage and you can easily pop up to 2k cures if you really need to.
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By Bismarck.Alkalinescissor 2011-02-19 12:19:34
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For just farming regular monsters I've been using Razed Ruin, Mounted Champion, and Omnipotent. Omnipotent lets me swap out some self haste pieces and wear anwig and without losing capped gear haste.
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By Phoenix.Wackatramp 2011-02-20 05:57:21
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Gnarled horn with a Mandy jug =
pure sex.

RR and either Ducal, MC, or vicisstude depending on what you re fighting.
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By Titan.Agetos 2011-03-28 03:22:41
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27 Egg quests will give you Fame 3 in Abyssea - Grauberg, i recomend buying 12 each of the goblin stuff, chocolate, pie, and bread. then just run the quest until you hate life. but it will get you the fame needed. 9 egg quests each starting from bottom fame
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By Leviathan.Gotterdammerung 2011-03-28 03:47:33
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ducal + zenith + RR for most things. Zenith because its a higher DT than the other 2 giving u a slight edge on the magical dmg side. I have tested this adequately and know it is true.

For highly magical NMs like empousa u need to drop the Razed ruin and go with

Ducal + zenith + blinding horn

This set up makes ur pet pretty much immortal without the bother of the slip dmg from winged gloom.
And can be done with most any pet wich is good on ur pocket book.

im also looking into the possibility of cobra commander replacing Razed ruin. Its possible that because cobra commanders haste bonus only activates below 50% hp that it might be stronger than other haste superiors. I still need to
#1 figure out how to get it
#2 test the haste value and Double atk major value
Before i can do the math and tests to find out wether or not it will come out above RR.
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2011-04-04 15:58:23
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Leviathan.Gotterdammerung said:
ducal + zenith + RR for most things. Zenith because its a higher DT than the other 2 giving u a slight edge on the magical dmg side. I have tested this adequately and know it is true.

How so? as a BST I have:

2 Axes 10% PDT, +2 AF3 trousers, MKD Hat, use Ducal Guard and Zenith, and still I take damage.

Which implies it is in fact 10%, as my Damage down effect is, using the wiki guide: 97% and I still take 3-5 DMG. If Zenith was more I would take no damage at all, surely?
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By Bahamut.Alukat 2011-04-04 16:11:02
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for trials i use VV + RR + atma of the impregnable (15hp/tick regen)
planned to do pdt- axes*2 and mdb+ axes*2 (on spellcasting mobs) too.
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2011-04-04 16:22:48
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Bahamut.Alukat said:
for trials i use VV + RR + atma of the impregnable (15hp/tick regen)
planned to do pdt- axes*2 and mdb+ axes*2 (on spellcasting mobs) too.
Was going to do those four two, then I realised they had the same name and I wouldn't be able to macro them.
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