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 Phoenix.Hagino
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-20 15:45:19
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Andwig Salade
MAB +2 AGI +4 WS DMG +2%

Mirke Wardecors
MAB +4 RNG ATT +10

Demon's Ring with 2MAB


Im not sure if i should lean towards MAB or just stack AGI~
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2011-01-20 16:00:52
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Best build ever:

Levelcor
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-20 16:14:07
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rather not~

i own all of this gear already so just stuff ive tossed together to see what i can do
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2011-01-20 16:16:06
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Iono would magian fire stave be better for staff? Also Reaver Grip +1
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-01-20 16:18:36
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Phoenix.Smileybone said:
Iono would magian fire stave be better for staff? Also Reaver Grip +1

RNG can't use magian staffs
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2011-01-20 16:19:00
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Phoenix.Smileybone said:
Iono would magian fire stave be better for staff? Also Reaver Grip +1

RNG can't use magian staffs

Derp -.-
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By Shiva.Ergiyios 2011-01-20 16:26:15
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Your wildfire build makes my blm cry ; ;
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-20 17:12:07
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does this mean my build is good/bad? lol
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-01-20 17:15:05
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Phoenix.Hagino said:
does this mean my build is good/bad? lol
Looks good from what I can tell hagi, I think the blm's are just jealous because you have more MAB gear :D

edit: I'd play around a bit with agi vs. MAB, but MAB will probably take the cake.
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-20 17:17:08
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i just wonder about the rings~ should i use those over say...agi rings or str rings?
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2011-01-20 17:53:24
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I've been playing with numbers. There are parts of the formula that I'm not sure of so my numbers could be way off (I don't know fINT). The formula that I'm using is D = (90+2+.6AGI)*5.5(fTP)*1.2(vulcan's staff)*(1+MAB/100). It's kind of interesting because different situations win depending on what your AGI and MAB are already at.

The set I was planning for wildfire was a bit different than yours:

I ran numbers based on my cruor buffs and the atmas I plan to use and it looks like Andwig Salade and Mirke Wardecors win out over Bersail Cap + AF3 +2 body, however 2 stormsoul rings always beat 2 demon rings. The thing I wonder about is the -6 INT from those and so I wonder if auster's rings would beat stormsoul (auster's rings still beat demon rings in my calculation).

For lower values I think as a general rule 2AGI equals 1MAB. However as AGI gets higher it takes extra AGI to equal half it's MAB value.

Add AGI Add MAB In abyssea add AGI In abyssea add MAB
baseline 924 924 2273.04 2273.04
Add 10 963.6 1016.4 2356.2 2381.28
Add 20 1003.2 1108.8 2439.36 2489.52
Add 30 1042.8 1201.2 2522.52 2597.76
Add 40 1082.4 1293.6 2605.68 2706
Add 50 1122 1386 2688.84 2814.24

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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-20 18:15:17
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thanks hoshiku, if thats the case i'll pickup some agi rings. THe other thing i was also thinking about redoing my legs from ASA for 4 MAB / barrage +1

get some dual purpose out of them. I currently have it built for my blm but better things have come out since when ASA was released.

Edit: it will make MAB +4, AGI +2 and barrage +1
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By Shiva.Ergiyios 2011-01-20 19:21:05
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Phoenix.Hagino said:
does this mean my build is good/bad? lol
Your earring's ^^ ...looks like a solid build to me
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-20 21:00:39
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HQ staffs are 1.15 btw... which wont effect the relationship between MAB and agi. But yes like he said the more agi you have or the lower the mob int the less agi will be worth compared to MAB and vice versa.

Also that formula is a bit more off.

D = ((lvl+2+wsc)*fTP + 2*(agi-mobint))*staff bonus * day/weather bonus *MAB/MDB *whatever other bonus or mob weakness/shell etc

Where wsc is 60% and the lvl correct factor is .85 at lvl 85-90. Note you must round the values down each time. So agi *.6 round down *.85 then add with other stuff continue.

ftp=5.5

staff bonus, day/weather, MAB other bonuses etc work exactly like they do for nukes except of course you can't magic burst.

The 2*(agi-mobint) term actually has a cap but it's 1276 for the whole term so you will only reach it with brew.

As you can see this formula favors agi a bit more....

Easiest way to chose MAB over a agi peice would be just to plug it into the formula making slight assumptions on int (or you could back calculate it) as well as what your cruor buffs will be at the time. Though small differences between mob int and your agi will have a relatively small effect on the ratio of mab to agi for dmg so usually wont make a difference in gear choice unless it's something big or decent amounts of MAB.

Also if you start using it on nms could you report what you've been getting? Because every nm I've fought and used it on in abyssea and alot of these were low tier crap nms have taken anywhere from 30-70% dmg less than they should... using sekka and damn near one shotting the NQ for like 3.4k then hitting the NM for 1.1k really drove that point home.


Also fact that not everyone seems to know is that atma of the griffon claw does work with it and that's +20% ws dmg. And atma of the burning effigy refers to fire skillchain element not actual element...
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-20 21:49:34
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That's exactly why i choose the pieces with agi on them over 3-4 mab on the hands/feet slot. The rings though i think im going to lean towards agi as well. I will report back numbers when I can.

I was thinking about using ultimate, smoldering sky and gnarled horn?

maybe use sea daughter instead but i dont think the regain will do much if im sitting on a 4 hit build anyways.

maybe try out ultimate, beyond and smoldering sky
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-20 21:52:46
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I don't have smouldering sky yet so haven't been able to test how well it stacks with the other +fire dmg one but would probably be better than beyond. Also reaver grip yo. Also there is a 7 agi belt if your server has unlocked it and a 10 agi legs
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By Shiva.Syme 2011-01-20 23:38:18
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So far dmg not bad but need just need one more item (MAB for legs) for optimal output w.....
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-20 23:41:49
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I should make a convert section for ugg pendant... or maybe just a quick maccro since I don't play on gaining mp all that often. But really the 6agi neck isn't too bad for it anyways
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-21 00:00:19
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I have the 10 agi pants off the ixion in vunk~ wasnt sure if 8 agi would outdo 4 mab~

Im not sure which belt you are talking about, but would an elemental belt be better? i remembering wildfire having a high ftp so it doesnt do much but not sure.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-21 00:07:26
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Not sure where you are getting 8 agi vs 4 mab since that seems to imply using it vs a 2agi 4 mab pants... ASA? Not sure I'd waste ASA on something that is pretty damn close to lol denali.

As far as belts sveltesse gouriz. However not all servers have unlocked that flux in walk of echos so you might not have it. crudelis belt however is pretty good and cheap. As far as the gorget belts well kinda depends on how much base dmg you are getting from stats/lvl so would probably have to math it out...

That being said Wildfires high ftp and the fact that the dstat portion is added on after ftp makes +.1 to ftp kinda weak. I'd wager that the belt might add 1.5% to dmg most the time.

For example if you ws in 250 agi and mob has 100 int it would be a 1.4% increase in dmg while a 5 agi belt would add 1.8% dmg
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-21 08:38:15
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i was implying making 4 mab and +1 barrage pants from ASA, i really dont have anything else to make off it. Right now they're blm pants for HNM from way back when with MB damage
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By Titan.Nathanielglory 2011-01-21 09:06:25
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This outdoes uggy dependent on moon phasing
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-21 11:06:15
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stuff like that is cool and all, but i like consistent damage that i dont have to wait for certain conditions. Nice toy for when i do happen to notice moonphase though.

Think back to selene's bow vs ebow
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By Titan.Nathanielglory 2011-01-21 13:07:32
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Get spellcast, takes the worry out of it
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-21 13:17:09
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i try not to play with any addons except tparty and distance
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By Odin.Ladyrikku 2011-01-23 06:42:11
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we should try to Augment our AGI rings with MAB on it, but knowing my luck with augment.........

My Mirke is MAB + QD (since its useable for my cor as well and I only swarp it in for Wildfire).

I've gotten to the point I would just go 3 regain Atma and just fire off a Wildfire every 10s since mobs hardly stay alive long enough for me to actually shoot anymore, unless its NM then I'll swarp to Ultimate (MAB) / Gnarled Horn (AGI)/ Smouldering Sky (Or Kirin depending)
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-23 06:47:46
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Every 10 seconds!?! You have 26ish regain!?!
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By Odin.Ladyrikku 2011-01-23 07:02:10
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Don't forget 24tp per ranged shot (If I even get a shot in) while your regain kicks in. (Don't forget conserve tp , though it more towards 18-20s on average) (30s Max from a 0tp to 100tp)

(This is excluding the fact if a Cor was Tactical Rolling as well, since I have both Rng and Cor at 90)
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-23 07:23:12
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Of course I was counting tp per shot... though 24 is a bit much don't you think unless conserve tp kicks in. I mean the highest delay gun (which cor can't use) comes to base 18 tp/hit... so unless you ws in like 50 store tp...

21 seconds is much much more reasonable since that is more like 11-13 regain and you can get 10 from atmas. That being said I'd take at least one of those off for a fire atma or something.
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By Phoenix.Hagino 2011-01-27 18:09:44
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4 hit build /sam + double shot will give you very quick tp even without regain~



something like this
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