So there's a taru BLU on my server that is hitting a group of detectors in Abyssea Altepa for 6K+ damage. He shots most of the group tho. However when I try it I can't get over 2.6K with my Charged Whisker. I can only use Beyond, Kirin & MM as my magic atmas so I don't know where I'm going wrong.
Here's my current Charged Whisker set
Charged Whisker
Charged Whisker
Is he maybe using Atma of the Lion and Atma of the Ultimate?
No amount of gear is going to make that kind of difference.
But, when I switched to Atma of the Cosmos from Atma of the Beyond, my Everyone's Grudge dmg jumped from 3kish to 5k+.
Elemental Attack+ is just alot more potent than MAB. I think it adds directly to the base damage or something, so it gets multipled by every factor you add into the spell damage formula later on. I could be wrong though.
No amount of gear is going to make that kind of difference.
But, when I switched to Atma of the Cosmos from Atma of the Beyond, my Everyone's Grudge dmg jumped from 3kish to 5k+.
Elemental Attack+ is just alot more potent than MAB. I think it adds directly to the base damage or something, so it gets multipled by every factor you add into the spell damage formula later on. I could be wrong though.
elemental attack is straight percentage added to that element like staffs or MAB day/weather etc. The reason why a certain amount would be better is because the more of any one you stack the less percent change you get in dmg. So like you have 0 MAB 15 would be 15% dmg but at +100 it would be half that. THat is why +element attack is often better for most jobs because we have so much MAB. Also some of them are 40% where as most MAB atmas are only 30.
Also he may have been getting set procs day/weather etc. Idk haven't really played with it much or even checked out the mods to do the math on it.
Also he may have been getting set procs day/weather etc. Idk haven't really played with it much or even checked out the mods to do the math on it.
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I've never tried it on detectors but I can get 5k+ usually with Lion + Blinding Horn + Ultimate Atma on most of the normal mobs. I usually round them up and whirl of rage them first, then use whisker to finish them off.
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I see Atma of the Lion from Hadhayosh, but what about Atma of the War Lion from Apedemak? The Lightning +: Superior has me thrown off a bit. Is it lightning damage or lightning resist?
Lightning resist +100. The atmas I listed above are the best possible damage combination you can get. Blinding Horn and Lion are both lightning attack: major, and we all know what ultimate does.
Bismarck.Helel said:
and we all know what ultimate does.
Made my Sanguine Blade allow me to tank...
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Bismarck.Helel said:
I've never tried it on detectors but I can get 5k+ usually with Lion + Blinding Horn + Ultimate Atma on most of the normal mobs. I usually round them up and whirl of rage them first, then use whisker to finish them off.
Whirl of Rage tends to take care of that.
Odin.Blazza said:
Bismarck.Helel said:
I've never tried it on detectors but I can get 5k+ usually with Lion + Blinding Horn + Ultimate Atma on most of the normal mobs. I usually round them up and whirl of rage them first, then use whisker to finish them off.
Dream Flower -> Cast. It's part of MAB trait anyway.
Dream Flower ^^
Edit: Phalanx works too. I always bring my RDM mule to phalanx ii me. You gotta start casting in your -pdt gear then swap to charged whisker gear right before spell goes off.
Edit: Phalanx works too. I always bring my RDM mule to phalanx ii me. You gotta start casting in your -pdt gear then swap to charged whisker gear right before spell goes off.
Btw anyone have the exact mods and amounts and multipliers etc for the spell? And Grudge too
Everyone's Grudge - 40% MND, 5 fTP
Charged Whisker - 50% DEX, 4.5 fTP.
INT primary modifiers with a multiplier of 2.
Courtesy of Rena at BG.
Charged Whisker - 50% DEX, 4.5 fTP.
INT primary modifiers with a multiplier of 2.
Courtesy of Rena at BG.
Thanks... and lol dex mod. RR ftw?
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Yeah, my pdt set is the one thing I'm really missing with blu, I keep meaning to start working on it, but just never managed to get around to it. I have twilight torque, I'll get a couple rings from Konschtat, a cape and eventually a sword or two and hopefully that will be enough... Just need to work out what gear to sacrifice to fit it all in :(
Working on PDT myself, MDT was easy enough. Can safely say though that with a halfway decent build for Charged Whisker and/or Thermal Pulse you'll be 2-shotting (at most 3-shotting) any type of mob while you're AoE burning.
My cycle is usually: Occultation -> Cocoon -> PDT set -> Go Pull -> CA -> Whirl of Rage -> Actinic Burst -> Dream Flower -> Burst Affinity -> Memento Mori -> Charged Whisker -> Repeat
w/ the INT set on my profile page + MM/Lion/Ultimate.
Can do without the Act. burst and Memento stages, but I've grown so used to using them that it's a reflex. If anything is alive after that cycle it's usually because of a resist, and for that I can Pulse or do another Rage.
My cycle is usually: Occultation -> Cocoon -> PDT set -> Go Pull -> CA -> Whirl of Rage -> Actinic Burst -> Dream Flower -> Burst Affinity -> Memento Mori -> Charged Whisker -> Repeat
w/ the INT set on my profile page + MM/Lion/Ultimate.
Can do without the Act. burst and Memento stages, but I've grown so used to using them that it's a reflex. If anything is alive after that cycle it's usually because of a resist, and for that I can Pulse or do another Rage.
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
Everyone's Grudge - 40% MND, 5 fTP
Charged Whisker - 50% DEX, 4.5 fTP.
INT primary modifiers with a multiplier of 2.
Courtesy of Rena at BG.
Charged Whisker - 50% DEX, 4.5 fTP.
INT primary modifiers with a multiplier of 2.
Courtesy of Rena at BG.
I myself use all INT, no DEX. I'll do a test some time to see if DEX does have any impact over INT, but I doubt it personally. Maybe when you have Burst Affinity up DEX will pull ahead but...
Doing the math w/o BA or convergence 1 dex ~ 1.9125 to base dmg while 1 int is 2... so int will pull ahead slightly.
With BA and/or convergence ... well you can do the math since it depends on af3 bonus and how many convergence merits you have but yeah dex will pull ahead a bit.
Also according to kirschy it seems dstat factors do cap at 1276 for the whole term so in this case when you have 638 more int than the mob... I've personally tested this to be true with wildfire at the very least.
With BA and/or convergence ... well you can do the math since it depends on af3 bonus and how many convergence merits you have but yeah dex will pull ahead a bit.
Also according to kirschy it seems dstat factors do cap at 1276 for the whole term so in this case when you have 638 more int than the mob... I've personally tested this to be true with wildfire at the very least.
Meh may as well not even factor in Convergence; you'd be better off using it on Everyone's Grudge.
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Well your INT build is about the same as mine, only real advantage you have is that I'm missing 3 wieldance coins to finish out all my +2, so I'll have to have a play with that and see how high I can push it. First step will be an atma change around, I was only using ultimate and MM for damage (apocalypse is too hard to pass up for general abyssea stuffs).
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
Valefor.Prothescar said:
Meh may as well not even factor in Convergence; you'd be better off using it on Everyone's Grudge.
Doesn't even factor in there are 2 + lightning atmas and only 1 dark. Well for major or stronger
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Doing the math w/o BA or convergence 1 dex ~ 1.9125 to base dmg while 1 int is 2... so int will pull ahead slightly.
With BA and/or convergence ... well you can do the math since it depends on af3 bonus and how many convergence merits you have but yeah dex will pull ahead a bit.
Also according to kirschy it seems dstat factors do cap at 1276 for the whole term so in this case when you have 638 more int than the mob... I've personally tested this to be true with wildfire at the very least.
With BA and/or convergence ... well you can do the math since it depends on af3 bonus and how many convergence merits you have but yeah dex will pull ahead a bit.
Also according to kirschy it seems dstat factors do cap at 1276 for the whole term so in this case when you have 638 more int than the mob... I've personally tested this to be true with wildfire at the very least.
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Valefor.Prothescar said:
Meh may as well not even factor in Convergence; you'd be better off using it on Everyone's Grudge.
Mostly talking out of my *** I guess, just figure if you're wanting to use a single target spell, may as well use the stronger single target spell, especially since that stronger single target spell still benefits from Convergence, no?
Edit: Ah right, thunder atmas. Forgot that Blinding Horn existed, I should get that.
Edit: Ah right, thunder atmas. Forgot that Blinding Horn existed, I should get that.
Odin.Blazza said:
Well, if there's a slot where you can equip more DEX than INT, then the DEX should win, not that I can think of any examples for that...
Hmmm and doing the math it seems that charge may be the only thing to beat wildfire brewed... assuming the right atmas and decent gearing sounds like fun times. And assuming the increase in stat mods from BA work with capped stats which it should
Hmmm, so I should probably be using Aias over Teal for Charged then eh... time to make a separate set. The other two pieces I can't really justify losing 2 inventory spots for.
Did some playing today in Grauberg, exactly as you said Prothescar (same atma too as I don't have the karkadan one), and yeah, that works really well, so thanks for the advice.
Farmed about 300 minutes for the LS run in just a few rounds of that.
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