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 Fenrir.Kaioshin
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By Fenrir.Kaioshin 2012-08-18 05:52:46
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I just want to make sure that I'm the only one in this thread who thinks the elemental belts from Abyssea are okay to use....

I'm just going to stop using my Shadow Belt for Blade Hi now....
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By Phoenix.Jakarai 2012-08-21 20:11:13
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I am seeing alot of this so here's a question, Epona's beats 2nd Stormsoul for blade hi? Also how do I post a ws set up like you guys post it?
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By Phoenix.Fuujin 2012-08-23 10:50:00
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I'd like to add to Jakarai's question, what about Altdorf's and Wilhelm's earrings? The ones with +8 agi together. Use? or stick with Moonshade (+25tp/atk+4) and Brutal?

I'm also a bit of a loss as to what to use for back, waist and neck. I don't have a Hope torque, I'm using Soil belt right now, and using Iga neck and back until I can figure out something more appropriate.
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By Asura.Hardgrave 2012-08-23 10:56:09
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Phoenix.Jakarai said: »
I am seeing alot of this so here's a question, Epona's beats 2nd Stormsoul for blade hi? Also how do I post a ws set up like you guys post it?

Copy the item code on the page, [itemset]270030[(/)itemset] as an example. Take out the ( and the ).
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By Otomis 2012-08-23 17:08:18
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I only really play Nin Abyssea as well, that being said using the nin.Dps.Xml.

I am seeing that Using full 5/5 Thaumas will out preform Athos Body.

Getting 5200 with Athos and 5300 with Thaumas. Has anyone tested this?

I do not have either piece, but am working to get them some day. and would love to know.
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By Otomis 2012-08-23 17:11:14
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Oh' the updated spread sheet I have does not add for bonuses in sets. so you will have to manually add the +15 Dex Str and Agi to your WS stats to get correct result if your sheet is same as mine.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-08-23 17:11:16
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Phoenix.Fuujin said: »
I'd like to add to Jakarai's question, what about Altdorf's and Wilhelm's earrings? The ones with +8 agi together. Use? or stick with Moonshade (+25tp/atk+4) and Brutal?

I'm also a bit of a loss as to what to use for back, waist and neck. I don't have a Hope torque, I'm using Soil belt right now, and using Iga neck and back until I can figure out something more appropriate.

Stick with ze Moonshade / Brutal combo
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By Otomis 2012-08-23 17:18:25
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: »
Phoenix.Fuujin said: »
I'd like to add to Jakarai's question, what about Altdorf's and Wilhelm's earrings? The ones with +8 agi together. Use? or stick with Moonshade (+25tp/atk+4) and Brutal?

I'm also a bit of a loss as to what to use for back, waist and neck. I don't have a Hope torque, I'm using Soil belt right now, and using Iga neck and back until I can figure out something more appropriate.

Stick with ze Moonshade / Brutal combo


I just stuck Shade/Brutal vs Alt/Wil earrings, saying the alt/wil wins

I am using the Sheet linked from this forum...Is it not a good one?
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By Sylph.Ice 2012-08-24 11:07:14
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Rancorous Mantle+Nefarious Collar alright to do until I get a Hope Torque? Currently using Atheling/Rancor Neck.
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By Phoenix.Jakarai 2012-08-29 22:53:13
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Ah this is so confusing to me. I don't understand how brutal helps any weapon skill at all, but I do use the +8 agi earrings for blade hi(got to get some use out of them) only cause I got them for my rng which I have pretty much retired since abyssea arrived.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-08-29 22:59:47
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5% of the time, the Brutal earring double attacks in your weaponskill everytime.
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By Lakshmi.Taekwonjoe 2012-09-16 13:53:38
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My new favorite mobs for testing Blade: Hi armor sets are Bog Body in Abyssea - Tahrongi. They have a grip of HP and take double damage!



Iga Tekko +2 just slightly out-performed Seiryu's Kote (12528 vs 12350) with Berserk, Warcry, Aggressor, Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn, and Sanguine Scythe after an hour of testing spike damage for each.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-09-16 14:05:49
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They shouldn't inside of abyssea, the extra dex does nothing. Do your Kote have terrible augments like -5 agi?
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By Lakshmi.Taekwonjoe 2012-09-16 14:19:39
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HAHA no negative augment on Seiryu' Kote. Most likely it was just a matter of duration of testing for spike damage. Some afternoon while watching TV I will test with Seiryu's Kote longer to see if I can top 12528.
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By Carbuncle.Warslane 2012-09-16 14:53:42
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lol wtf is this
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By Odin.Hirokei 2012-09-16 16:05:26
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Lakshmi.Taekwonjoe said: »
My new favorite mobs for testing Blade: Hi armor sets are Bog Body in Abyssea - Tahrongi. They have a grip of HP and take double damage!



Iga Tekko +2 just slightly out-performed Seiryu's Kote (12528 vs 12350) with Berserk, Warcry, Aggressor, Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn, and Sanguine Scythe after an hour of testing spike damage for each.
This is clearly definitive proof.
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By Jassik 2012-09-17 15:49:35
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Ya i'm kinda wtf on that last part too...
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-09-17 15:53:19
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5 less Agi somehow made him do 180 more damage. Makes total sense.
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By Asura.Ina 2012-09-17 15:58:59
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The fact that he is useing single spike damage not average should explain everything.
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By Lakshmi.Taekwonjoe 2012-09-18 13:56:20
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Asura.Ina said: »
The fact that he is useing single spike damage not average should explain everything.

Yeah I was very forthcoming with the limited testing that I did. Just trying to see how much damage is possible with an 85 Kannagi and different armor sets on a double-damage mob. 5 digit goodness \(^_^)/
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-21 14:39:24
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The point is that there's no reason to test it at all. Kote have 5 more AGI than Iga Tekko +2 and unless there's some kind of hidden effect we don't know about (There isn't) it's impossible for it to be doing more damage over time. You don't need to run tests to prove that 15 > 10, and the fact that you're suggesting 10 > 15 is...well, yeah.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Langly 2012-09-22 13:19:00
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You can't expect everyone to understand the mere CONCEPT of the damage formula. Ever. :(
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By Ragnarok.Chronictreets 2012-09-22 20:20:09
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The only way I could see Iga outperforming seiryu is outside Abby when looking at acc issues and dex crit rate. I'm not sure what the math shows but there could be something there. But I'm guessing most people are like me and nin is 99% for inside.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-23 01:56:36
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Oh yeah, Iga +2 has been suggested for outside before (there's actually quite a few situations where that 10 DEX will make it outperform Seiryu's), but since he's looking for damage spikes the only stat that really matters is AGI (and I guess maybe Quad attack since there's no atma for that). Crit rate just contributes to the WS being more consistent.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-09-23 02:30:56
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Critical hit rate augments are assumed on Seiryu's kote, so not sure how Iga Tekko +2 will beat them out.

Also some people magically get +5 AGI on their kotes. <_<
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By Leviathan.Komachii 2012-09-23 02:32:44
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well in the range of 40-50 ddex it could mean 10% critrate
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-09-23 02:41:29
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Oops, I totally forgot about 40-50 ddex!
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By Leviathan.Komachii 2012-09-23 02:55:51
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SE trolled some the NINs with AGI based critws and DEX based noncritws.
Personally im using (and i guess sadly most of us except vw proc) my NIN on fodder and DC dyna, Motenten spreadsheet shows oce+1/iga+2 bdy/byakko/koga+2 feet has more than enough ddex so can use seiryu instead. Yeah sheet maybe wrong here and there, but would think is close enough.
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By Sylph.Ice 2012-09-24 03:45:53
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So has anyone came up with the best current set yet?
I'm using:


The spreadsheet I'm using has thaumas kecks beating out byakkos with augment.

*outside abysses set obviously*
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